Minato Vs Orochimaru

[blazekev90]

You should wait up for me to sell the tickets before starting the clown performance, mate.

I'm already at the clown show performance and your act is comical for sure.

 

[Draegod]

And I proved you wrong since his hand speed was almost as fast as FTG in KM and you have no proof that KM makes your hands faster.



You must be dumb as hell if you still don't understand that the scan was meant to show how fast his arm swung, and not that Obito was hit. Look at the dust particles in the air showing that FTG had just been used.



Oral Rebirth is nowhere near FTG in speed and if you think it is you need to get your head checked.



Do you have any proof that Kakuzu's heart monsters would work without Kakuzu being alive?

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Dead kakuzu, alive monsters! Manga fact! You're making yourself look bad now. Just give up

 

[pateuvasiliu]

His heart was pierced, but his brain was still functioning, which is why the masks rushed towards him, so they can revive him.

Those tendrils are part of him. Hell, he controls them. Furthermore, being hit through the heart doesn't instantly shut down the brain ( the lack of blood/oxygen towards it does ) whereas decapitation pretty much seals the deal.

 

[Draegod]

His heart was pierced, but his brain was still functioning, which is why the masks rushed towards him, so they can revive him.

Those tendrils are part of him. Hell, he controls them.

I thought you were better then this bruh. SMH Its not bad that Minato loses to Oru, there both Boss! Just let it go...

 

[Bogard]

@Draegod i think Orochimaru used a snake related jutsu in order to bring his body back on the pic you posted. Only that it was difficult to detect like his kawarimi for example. He doesn't have snakes in his body. He can be hurt and it has been proven countless time:

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On the last 2pics(above) he was the sacrifice and would have died if he didn't switch bodies

I admit however that we lack informations concerning that technique. It's quite sad actually. I tried to check, but even in the databook i can't find it

 

[HNIC]

@Draegod i think Orochimaru used a snake related jutsu in order to bring his body back on the pic you posted. Only that it was difficult to detect like his kawarimi for example. He doesn't have snakes in his body. He can be hurt and it has been proven countless time:

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On the last 2pics(above) he was the sacrifice and would have died if he didn't switch bodies

I admit however that we lack informations concerning that technique. It's quite sad actually. I tried to check, but even in the databook i can't find it

but what is this?

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[Draegod]

@Draegod i think Orochimaru used a snake related jutsu in order to bring his body back on the pic you posted. Only that it was difficult to detect like his kawarimi for example. He doesn't have snakes in his body. He can be hurt and it has been proven countless time:

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On the last 2pics(above) he was the sacrifice and would have died if he didn't switch bodies

I admit however that we lack informations concerning that technique. It's quite sad actually. I tried to check, but even in the databook i can't find it

That's all i need to here, it is a good theory to have. But based on manga feats (whether it be jutsu or not) he has snakes in his body to REATTACH any parts that might be halfed (not injured or completely missing like arm or cut in stomach).

But just for the record; He used the replacement tech to avoid death/or replace a useless body (such as missing limbs or big holes/burnt body etc). But when cut in half the snakes had the will and ability to connect (whether connected to the brain or not) that's all i was saying. Plus we do know his true form is lying in his body and we know cuts of any kind doesn't work on him. And i never said he was indestructible or couldnt be harmed (its fact he can), its just hard to kill him physical normal means.

On the cool, kishi does this allot, and lately the manga is beyond lost in making sense of thing. I honestly don't think we will see a databook 4 ever with everything he would have to make up for. Its similar to DBZ and power levels, after the freiza saga the creator gave up on keeping track of power levels because it made no sense anymore. lol (5/40 stats are not good enough anymore)

 

[Bogard]

That's all i need to here, it is a good theory to have. But based on manga feats (whether it be jutsu or not) he has snakes in his body to REATTACH any parts that might be halfed (not injured or completely missing like arm or cut in stomach).

The injury degree isn't my point. When Orochimaru got cut in half on the pic you posted, we don't even see blood at all(on the contrary of my pics for example), something i find weird. Even if he had snakes to put his body together after the attack, the fact we didn't see blood when he got cut in half when like i've proven, blood normally comes out when he gets wounded, is the real factor that makes me think he used a technique

 

[Draegod]

The injury degree isn't my point. When Orochimaru got cut in half on the pic you posted, we don't even see blood at all(on the contrary of my pics for example), something i find weird. Even if he had snakes to put his body together after the attack, the fact we didn't see blood when he got cut in half when like i've proven, blood normally comes out when he gets wounded, is the real factor that makes me think he used a technique

This is where kishi defies everything. When his arm went missing from the 3 tails, he wasn't bleeding horribly like he was suppose to. But a simply cut in the stomach had him bleeding.

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Then again, it could of been the effects of the demon that was making him bleed since he was posses for the moment. Either way, we know he is capable of reattaching his body if its ever seperated. So that should be enough to end it imo.

 

[Bogard]

This is where kishi defies everything. When his arm went missing from the 3 tails, he wasn't bleeding horribly like he was suppose to. But a simply cut in the stomach had him bleeding.

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Then again, it could of been the effects of the demon that was making him bleed since he was posses for the moment. Either way, we know he is capable of reattaching his body if its ever seperated. So that should be enough to end it imo.

Yes we know he can reattach his body(whether if it's a jutsu or not), but in this versus thread it ends nothing all for some reasons

1- It doesn't contradict my point(if Orochimaru loses his head, he dies). We don't know if the technique helps to reattach his head as well. We only know that it helps to reattach his body

2- The 2 parts need to be together in order for them to be reattached. Minato capable to use his FTG could easily teleport his head elsewhere after beheading him and thus making this strategy useless

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Yeah, I haven't even considered the fact that he can literally port the head to someplace else after cutting it.

 

[Nattana]

Yes we know he can reattach his body(whether if it's a jutsu or not), but in this versus thread it ends nothing all for some reasons

1- It doesn't contradict my point(if Orochimaru loses his head, he dies). We don't know if the technique helps to reattach his head as well. We only know that it helps to reattach his body

2- The 2 parts need to be together in order for them to be reattached. Minato capable to use his FTG could easily teleport his head elsewhere after beheading him and thus making this strategy useless

U are aware of the fact that to kill Orochimaru you have to deal with his True Form, not just his human shell? And since True Form is hidden somewhere in his human body, dismembering doesn't really do anything.

 

[Nattana]

I'm pretty sure he would die if his human vessel dies. They are linked

He's shown being in his True Form for quite some time without any troubles. Even if he couldn't stay like that for a longer period of time, it doesn't mean he couldn't simply regenerate his human shell - no matter if it lost a hand, head or anything else.
Considering that manga proves that his Rebirth jutsu isn't just a replacement, but it creates a legit body part, I don't see anything that stops Orochimaru from doing that after getting decapicated or dismembered.

 

[Bogard]

He's shown being in his True Form for quite some time without any troubles. Even if he couldn't stay like that for a longer period of time, it doesn't mean he couldn't simply regenerate his human shell - no matter if it lost a hand, head or anything else.
Considering that manga proves that his Rebirth jutsu isn't just a replacement, but it creates a legit body part, I don't see anything that stops Orochimaru from doing that after getting decapicated or dismembered.

Simply because he needs his head to be attached to his body to spuk out the new Orochimaru for his rebirth technique, so without a head, he can't

And no he can't regenerate his vessels body simply because he has no regeneration techniques to begin with. He isn't Kabuto. He uses reincarnation or rebirth techniques to switch bodies. So he doesn't heal, he receives damages, only that to avoid death, he switches bodies. If his vessel dies, he dies. He said it himself that he would die if TBB hit him

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And it would have hit his human vessel, not him directly. This pic also shows btw that Orochimaru says high concentrated chakra could kill him and Rasengan is presented as the absolute highest chakra concentration, basically a Human TBB

 

[Nattana]

Simply because he needs his head to be attached to his body to spuk out the new Orochimaru for his rebirth technique, so without a head, he can't

And no he can't regenerate his vessels body simply because he has no regeneration techniques to begin with. He isn't Kabuto. He uses reincarnation or rebirth techniques to switch bodies. So he doesn't heal, he receives damages, only that to avoid death, he switches bodies. If his vessel dies, he dies. He said it himself that he would die if TBB hit him

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And it would have hit his human vessel, not him directly. This pic also shows btw that Orochimaru says high concentrated chakra could kill him and Rasengan is presented as the absolute highest chakra concentration, basically a Human TBB

I wanted to treat you seriously until you compared a Rasengan that perfectly-landed hardly damaged Obito, with TBB that went through Triple Rashoumon.

Orochimaru's Body Replacement Technique creates new body parts. It's not just a replacement. Here's a scan.

Orochimaru's rotting hand.

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Hands that he uses must be real, that's obvious. And the scan I posted shows that the hand that got cut off is real as well, even after using his Body Replacement technique.

 

[Bogard]

I wanted to treat you seriously until you compared a Rasengan that perfectly-landed hardly damaged Obito, with TBB that went through Triple Rashoumon.

You missed the point. Orochimaru wasn't talking about the power of the attack there. He was clearly refering to the chakra concentration that could kill him, and the chakra concentration of the rasengan is comparable. I'm not the one who compared rasengan to TBB, it's the manga. It's already been stated countless time that rasengan is the human version of tailed beast bomb

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Rasengan destroys internal organs.

Kabuto said he saved Orochimaru's life. His jutsu activate ALL his cells to create new ones automatically, yet it failed to regenerate completely against the rasengan damages

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And even the Edo tensei technique struggled to regenerate Muu

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It's a highly concentrated jutsu in one palm. Obito you mentioned has the Juubi's body. It did hurt his body, only that it regenerated:

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Orochimaru's Body Replacement Technique creates new body parts. It's not just a replacement. Here's a scan.

Orochimaru's rotting hand.

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Hands that he uses must be real, that's obvious. And the scan I posted shows that the hand that got cut off is real as well, even after using his Body Replacement technique.

You don't get it. I said he doesn't heal. I never said his jutsu were not creating new body

 

[Nattana]

You missed the point. Orochimaru wasn't talking about the power of the attack there. He was clearly refering to the chakra concentration that could kill him, and the chakra concentration of the rasengan is comparable. I'm not the one who compared rasengan to TBB, it's the manga. It's already been stated countless time that rasengan is the human version of tailed beast bomb

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Rasengan destroys internal organs.

Kabuto said he saved Orochimaru's life. His jutsu activate ALL his cells to create new ones automatically, yet it failed to regenerate completely against the rasengan damages

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And even the Edo tensei technique struggled to regenerate Muu

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It's a highly concentrated jutsu in one palm. Obito you mentioned has the Juubi's body. It did hurt his body, only that it regenerated:

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You don't get it. I said he doesn't heal. I never said his jutsu were not creating new body

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That's what Minato's Rasengan does. Seriously... And do not post some KCM/Sage stuff. Alive Minato has none of them.

And about about healing and creating a new body. The effect in the end if pretty much the same. Only that Orochimaru's technique is more reliable than healing, since he does that without any hand seals, without speeding up the process of dividing cells and stuff like that.

 

[Nattana]

You missed the point. Orochimaru wasn't talking about the power of the attack there. He was clearly refering to the chakra concentration that could kill him, and the chakra concentration of the rasengan is comparable. I'm not the one who compared rasengan to TBB, it's the manga. It's already been stated countless time that rasengan is the human version of tailed beast bomb

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Rasengan destroys internal organs.

Kabuto said he saved Orochimaru's life. His jutsu activate ALL his cells to create new ones automatically, yet it failed to regenerate completely against the rasengan damages

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And even the Edo tensei technique struggled to regenerate Muu

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It's a highly concentrated jutsu in one palm. Obito you mentioned has the Juubi's body. It did hurt his body, only that it regenerated:

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You don't get it. I said he doesn't heal. I never said his jutsu were not creating new body

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That's what Minato's Rasengan does. Seriously... And do not post some KCM/Sage stuff. Alive Minato has none of them.

And about about healing and creating a new body. The effect in the end if pretty much the same. Only that Orochimaru's technique is more reliable than healing, since he does that without any hand seals, without speeding up the process of dividing cells and stuff like that.

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And about TBB. Ofc he was talking about it's power. He didn't know what TBB was, yet by measuring chakra density he estimated its power and decided to summon Triple Rashoumon.
Rasengan is just a jutsu based on TBB - that doesn't mean that it's comparable in destructive power. In Minato's case - it's not even close lol.

 

[Bogard]

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That's what Minato's Rasengan does. Seriously... And do not post some KCM/Sage stuff. Alive Minato has none of them.

And about about healing and creating a new body. The effect in the end if pretty much the same. Only that Orochimaru's technique is more reliable than healing, since he does that without any hand seals, without speeding up the process of dividing cells and stuff like that.

Dunno where you see me giving him KCM feats. I'm describing the effect of the rasengan jutsu. You mean the beginner rasengan Naruto used on Kabuto is on Minato's level? What a joke.

Concerning Obito, do you forget that it cut his hand and was so heavily damaged that he fled directly after the hit?

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When you know that thanks to Hashirama's DNA, he got regenerative abilities, plus the fact he has an entire laboratory full of Zetsu suit to change his damaged bodies, no wonder he fled after that

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[HNIC]

someone had blazekev banned from the thread?? How do people do that?