part1 Sasuke vs Tsunade

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Genius argumentation, because Part one or Part two, or even current Naruto is the KING of Shuriken-Jutsu.



First time I have seen you talk smack. Damn, it's adorable. :D

Also, that Ae comment is not even funny. Do you even know what coordinated attack implies?
That by no means indicates her speed is anywhere near Ae in V1 even, let alone V2.

P.s: Tsunade can read enemy movement? Flabbergasting, just like every decent ninja. That sure is a battle-turner.
Of course not...

But she still is as fast as Vote Sasuke was...
 

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^ But here is where 3 Tomoe makes the freakin' difference. It means much better reaction and evasion rate. Something Tsunade doesn't have. You know what, let's throw in a curve ball: she loses to these Genins with her abilities restricted - Lee, Neji, Temari, and Kabuto even if I don't include Sasuke as I already support him.
 

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^ But here is where 3 Tomoe makes the freakin' difference. It means much better reaction and evasion rate. Something Tsunade doesn't have. You know what, let's throw in a curve ball: she loses to these Genins with her abilities restricted - Lee, Neji, Temari, and Kabuto even if I don't include Sasuke as I already support him.
That skill doesn't make him a Jounin level ninja...
Tsunade is a more experienced Kunoichi, with so much better Taijutsu than part 1 Sasuke, and i already told you she is more intelligent, so she can develop a strategy, evade his attacks easily, heal herself if there is some damage, and strike with the necessary strength to injure him without killing him...

Now countering your fan-fiction:

Neji: Have you seen Tsunade Taijutsu points? I don't think Neji has 5 points of in melee combat by that time...

Kabuto only win because he exploited Tsunade fear for blood, fear she no longer has...

Lee, is only faster than her, she cannot only defeat Tsunade with speed... Eventually she would figure out his moves and counter attack...

Temari, well, i have to see her stats to counter properly, but there is no point, Tsunade could tank her jutsu and heal herself with Creation Rebirth...

So much Tsunade-underrating... and so much Sasuke wanking....

This are Kishi's words, accept them or deny them, I don't care, these are facts:

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That skill doesn't make him a Jounin level ninja...
Tsunade is a more experienced Kunoichi, with so much better Taijutsu than part 1 Sasuke, and i already told you she is more intelligent, so she can develop a strategy, evade his attacks easily, heal herself if there is some damage, and strike with the necessary strength to injure him without killing him...

Now countering your fan-fiction:

Neji: Have you seen Tsunade Taijutsu points? I don't think Neji has 5 points of in melee combat by that time...

Kabuto only win because he exploited Tsunade fear for blood, fear she no longer has...

Lee, is only faster than her, she cannot only defeat Tsunade with speed... Eventually she would figure out his moves and counter attack...

Temari, well, i have to see her stats to counter properly, but there is no point, Tsunade could tank her jutsu and heal herself with Creation Rebirth...

So much Tsunade-underrating... and so much Sasuke wanking....

This are Kishi's words, accept them or deny them, I don't care, these are facts:

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You and that damned data-book, lol.

Gaara is lower than a lot of Shinobi on the databook, yet he's one of the strongest characters.

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You and that damned data-book, lol.

Gaara is lower than a lot of Shinobi on the databook, yet he's one of the strongest characters.

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Gaara fight style is different, the subjects that determine how strong he is are Ninjutsu and Intelligence...
Speed isn't needed since he used his sand to move himself in battle.
Stamina is irrelevant, since he is not the type of shinobi that get himself exhausted in battle.
Taijutsu is not needed either.
Hand seals and Genjutsu aren't even worth to mention.
Agreed?

You cannot counter Databooks, sorry.
 

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Gaara fight style is different, the subjects that determine how strong he is are Ninjutsu and Intelligence...
Speed isn't needed since he used his sand to move himself in battle.
Stamina is irrelevant, since he is not the type of shinobi that get himself exhausted in battle.
Taijutsu is not needed either.
Hand seals and Genjutsu aren't even worth to mention.
Agreed?

You cannot counter Databooks, sorry.

I don't need to counter the data-book.

The data-book counters the data-book.
 

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That skill doesn't make him a Jounin level ninja...
Tsunade is a more experienced Kunoichi, with so much better Taijutsu than part 1 Sasuke, and i already told you she is more intelligent, so she can develop a strategy, evade his attacks easily, heal herself if there is some damage, and strike with the necessary strength to injure him without killing him...

Other than Strength, I haven't come across any decent Taijutsu feats from the likes of her. Hence, an irrelevant argument. I forgot that part one Gaara, even without one-tail aid beats her badly if you restrict all this.

So is Sasuke. Sasuke devised a strategy to hood-wink Orochimaru, which means he has it in him to adapt according to the battle-field requirements.
 

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I have already posted scans to prove Tsunade her speed is above Sasuke's but everyone ignores it, its to bad.

Weren't you the one who posted Byakugou scans...? The same Byakugou that is restricted in this specific fight..?

Seems legit.
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Weren't you the one who posted Byakugou scans...? The same Byakugou that is restricted in this specific fight..?

Seems legit.
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The Byakugou has nothing to do with Tsunade's speed and reflexes.
 

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I don't need to counter the data-book.

The data-book counters the data-book.
I don't know what you are talking about, but the stats doesn't counter themselves ;) .
Other than Strength, I haven't come across any decent Taijutsu feats from the likes of her. Hence, an irrelevant argument. I forgot that part one Gaara, even without one-tail aid beats her badly if you restrict all this.

So is Sasuke. Sasuke devised a strategy to hood-wink Orochimaru, which means he has it in him to adapt according to the battle-field requirements.
1) Taijutsu:
Taijutsu (体術; Literally meaning "Body Techniques") is a basic form of techniques and refers to any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimisation of natural human abilities. Taijutsu is executed by directly accessing the user's physical and mental energies, relying on the stamina and strength gained through training. It typically does not require chakra, though chakra may be used to enhance its techniques. Taijutsu generally requires no hand seals to perform, occasionally making use of certain stances or poses, and are far quicker to use than ninjutsu or genjutsu. Taijutsu is simply put: hand-to-hand combat.
So Tsunade is better at hand to hand combat, martial arts, with or without her strength.

2) Orochimaru wast testing what Sasuke was capable to do, do you really believe P1 Sasuke defeated Orochimaru??
  • Sasuke didn't win
  • Orochimaru was testing his future body and wasn't even serious...
So Tsunade can easily outsmart Sasuke-kun, he only had 2.5 skill points in Intelligence, while Tsunade has 5.
Stats cannot be countered by some impartial feats, just because you prove Sasuke is able to do something doesn't mean Tsunade can't...
 

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this thread is unbelievable, lol. Tsunade wins easily.

Did you read the OP, and do you understand the restrictions and the current location? Probably not.


As if Tsunade is tanking a Chidori to the heart.
 
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So Tsunade is better at hand to hand combat, martial arts, with or without her strength.

2) Orochimaru wast testing what Sasuke was capable to do, do you really believe P1 Sasuke defeated Orochimaru??

Sasuke didn't win
Orochimaru was testing his future body and wasn't even serious...


So Tsunade can easily outsmart Sasuke-kun, he only had 2.5 skill points in Intelligence, while Tsunade has 5.
Stats cannot be countered by some impartial feats, just because you prove Sasuke is able to do something doesn't mean Tsunade can't...

He was going to gain a body but was not serious at all. Why should he be concerned if he transfers himself into a weak body and gets killed the next day? It doesn't matter what you say, you averting manga logic that Sasuke devised a surprise attack and fooled Orochimaru is manga fact. Back-paddling and Denial are not helping your case.

No she is not. Kindly provide a scan where she bested or even overwhelmed a skilled Taijutsu opponent who was in actuality serious to fight her. Databook scans are unneeded here, when Orochimaru claimed that his genius is pitiful before Sasuke's. Manga fact. There you go. She isn't smarter than Sasuke, keep harping on.
 

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He was going to gain a body but was not serious at all. Why should he be concerned if he transfers himself into a weak body and gets killed the next day? It doesn't matter what you say, you averting manga logic that Sasuke devised a surprise attack and fooled Orochimaru is manga fact. Back-paddling and Denial are not helping your case.

No she is not. Kindly provide a scan where she bested or even overwhelmed a skilled Taijutsu opponent who was in actuality serious to fight her. Databook scans are unneeded here, when Orochimaru claimed that his genius is pitiful before Sasuke's. Manga fact. There you go. She isn't smarter than Sasuke, keep harping on.

If kishi gives tsunade high marking in intelligence, Then thats how it is.
If kishi gives tsunade a 5 in Taijutsu, Then thats how it is.

Feats are not needed when the author of the damn manga clearly notes otherwise. If you have a problem go write to kishi about how he is wrong in marking certain characters
 

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If kishi gives tsunade high marking in intelligence, Then thats how it is.
If kishi gives tsunade a 5 in Taijutsu, Then thats how it is.

Feats are not needed when the author of the damn manga clearly notes otherwise. If you have a problem go write to kishi about how he is wrong in marking certain characters


The same databook that said Hebi Sasuke is omnipotent, lol.

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If kishi gives tsunade high marking in intelligence, Then thats how it is.
If kishi gives tsunade a 5 in Taijutsu, Then thats how it is.

Feats are not needed when the author of the damn manga clearly notes otherwise. If you have a problem go write to kishi about how he is wrong in marking certain characters

Please. You are always Anti-Sasuke. Databook is countered plenty of times within the manga. Manga feats speak volumes. Orochimaru, Shikamaru, and plenty of individuals have put Sasuke above themselves in regards to intelligence. Facts. If you have problem with Manga, you can do the same. What Kishimoto says goes. When he says Sasuke is more intelligent than Orochimaru in regards to battle-prowess and Shinobi domain, then he IS. Case Closed.
 
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