SM Hashirama and Edo Madara

[raziel777]

First of all, let's pause and consider it. Are Rinnegan and Mokuton that much of a power up for Madara against Hashirama ?

Mokuton, whatever Madara can do with it Hashi can do it more effectively because of Sage Mode.

Rinnegan. Most of its abilities are useless against Hashirama.

Summon : Forest Blooms

Preta : no chakra to absorb from Hashi's attacks since they are mainly physical

Shinra Tensei : it's not killing Hashirama and he has 5 Rashomon and that technique that could endure a TBB

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Shibaku Tensei is the only jutsu that would give him some problems but the Shinsuusenju takes care of that.

And as we can see, Madara is fighting Hashirama right now and the fight isn't as easy as some people thought it would be

 

[Madara ibn Lahad]

HAshirama is OP... If Madara didn't have Kurama in their final fight,Madara would have lost stupidly quick....(I hate saying Madara losses... But even fanboys have to bow to hardcore facts)

 

[Joon]

Madara is not fighting to kill Hashirama. His intentions lies elsewhere. Also, his reason of not using Rinnegan could be the same as Obito and it cause too much chakra. However, in this case, Madara has the "perfect" body" with unlimited chakra, therefore, he could have other reason of not using Rinnegan.

 

[Hipster Madara]

1. Why does sage mode matter if they both have infinite chakra?

2. Please don't start the whole Mokuton vs Preta path debate. It already accounts for 100x threads (though most of them were a long time ago)

 

[BlacLord™]

Yes, the difference between EMS Madara and RG Madara is greatly exaggerated, especially in Edo form.

Madara has only shown one Rinnegan ability (Preta), in addition to Mokuton. It would make more of a difference if they were alive, but in Edo form? No.

 

[raziel777]

1. Why does sage mode matter if they both have infinite chakra?

2. Please don't start the whole Mokuton vs Preta path debate. It already accounts for 100x threads (though most of them were a long time ago)

Sage Mode matters because it enhances everything : speed, reaction time, perception and JUTSU. Mokuton jutsus are more effective in SM.

And :erm: I didn't mean to start anything

 

[raziel777]

Madara is not fighting to kill Hashirama. His intentions lies elsewhere. Also, his reason of not using Rinnegan could be the same as Obito and it cause too much chakra. However, in this case, Madara has the "perfect" body" with unlimited chakra, therefore, he could have other reason of not using Rinnegan.

He is not fighting to kill because they are already dead but he's fighting to win, that would be the quickest way to get what he wants, a bit of Hashi

 

[Fair Warning]

Eh, either one idc

 

[Meee]

As of now id say the Edo versions of Hashi and Madara are the same level with Hashi having the edge

His Mokuton is inferior and he barley has any Rinnegan feats Preta is all we have seen which is useless against Hashi, These just don't make up for the loss of Kurama imo

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Rinnegan:

PS Chou Shinra Tensei

You think he'll manage tanking something that is 2x Meteor Size?

Mokuton:

Wood Dragon - this is the second strongest thing in Hashi's arsenal. It bound Kurama.

Summons:

Not needed.

Perfect Susano'o:

Can easily fight on par with WD.

ShinsûSenju:

Cut mountains with PS and use Banshou Tennin with PS Chou Shinra Tensei.

Use Wood Dragon to distract Hashirama's attention, and hide a clone inside the chameleont summon.

Then make merge with Mokuton while summoning Meteors right at ShinsûSenju.

Then use Banshou Tennin to Hashirama and distract his attention again. King of Hell if lucky.

That'll work out.

 

[Naijakid]

HAshirama is OP... If Madara didn't have Kurama in their final fight,Madara would have lost stupidly quick....(I hate saying Madara losses... But even fanboys have to bow to hardcore facts)

Lol I like this guy

 

[Naijakid]

Rinnegan:

PS Chou Shinra Tensei

You think he'll manage tanking something that is 2x Meteor Size?

Mokuton:

Wood Dragon - this is the second strongest thing in Hashi's arsenal. It bound Kurama.

Summons:

Not needed.

Perfect Susano'o:

Can easily fight on par with WD.

ShinsûSenju:

Cut mountains with PS and use Banshou Tennin with PS Chou Shinra Tensei.

Use Wood Dragon to distract Hashirama's attention, and hide a clone inside the chameleont summon.

Then make merge with Mokuton while summoning Meteors right at ShinsûSenju.

Then use Banshou Tennin to Hashirama and distract his attention again. King of Hell if lucky.

That'll work out.

In the end wood clone>Madara

 

[Jarex]

saage mode makes hashirama so much op

 

[raziel777]

Rinnegan:

PS Chou Shinra Tensei

You think he'll manage tanking something that is 2x Meteor Size?

Mokuton:

Wood Dragon - this is the second strongest thing in Hashi's arsenal. It bound Kurama.

Summons:

Not needed.

Perfect Susano'o:

Can easily fight on par with WD.

ShinsûSenju:

Cut mountains with PS and use Banshou Tennin with PS Chou Shinra Tensei.

Use Wood Dragon to distract Hashirama's attention, and hide a clone inside the chameleont summon.

Then make merge with Mokuton while summoning Meteors right at ShinsûSenju.

Then use Banshou Tennin to Hashirama and distract his attention again. King of Hell if lucky.

That'll work out.

Dude if gaara and oonooki could hold a meteorite, Shinsuusenju can too. And if Madara uses the meteorites, they are both edos. So who cares.

And all those Mokuton jutsus you listed, Hashirama can use them.

Hashirama's Mokuton >>> Madara's.

And I'd like to see Madara use Banso Tennin, Hashirama would just use the Wood Hand he used to hold to hold Kurama to slap Madara while he's using Bansho tennin.

All in all, Rinnegan and Mokuton aren't of much use for Madara right now

 

[Limbo]

Dude if gaara and oonooki could hold a meteorite, Shinsuusenju can too. And if Madara uses the meteorites, they are both edos. So who cares.

And all those Mokuton jutsus you listed, Hashirama can use them.

Hashirama's Mokuton >>> Madara's.

And I'd like to see Madara use Banso Tennin, Hashirama would just use the Wood Hand he used to hold to hold Kurama to slap Madara while he's using Bansho tennin. .

All in all, Rinnegan and Mokuton aren't of much use for Madara right now

He said chibaku tensei, not meteors, btw madara's ct is probably alot bigger than nagatos.
Where in the manga does it state that hashi's mokuton> madaras?
Not to mention Madara also can slap the shit out of hashi.
And if hashi is so strong, why has he not already defeated madara?
We all saw in the last chap that hos sage mode has run out, and that madara had the upper-hand.