Establishing why Minato still defeats Sasuke

[Bogard]

Yes Minato still beats him U_U

Enton argument

I've seen plenty of members saying that since Sasuke could put a Enton defense, Minato could not defeat him, but is it true?

First of all, i've already proven in another thread that Amaterasu/enton isn't a problem for a FTG user, but for those who only want to know the main part it's under the spoiler

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The reason is simple. FTG user can decide what to teleport when either them or their chakra are connected with something/someone. What do i mean?

Overlooked FTG advantage

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Look at this pic carefully. Obito is grabbing both Naruto and Sasuke's head. On

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Naruto created the connection between himself, Sasuke and his dad

But what is important to notice is that since Obito was grabbing Naruto and Sasuke, he was also somehow indirectly connected to Minato

Although it was the case, Minato was able

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to safety ignoring Obito who was in contact with them

This basically prove my point in the fact that Minato can decide what to teleport or not when it's in contact with him or his chakra

Where do i go with it? It simply means that if for example, Amaterasu was in contact with him, he can decide whether to teleport himself away or teleport the black flames themselves away despite the fact the black flames are in contact with his body

It's for that reason for example that despite

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, he was able to teleport away ignoring the chains grab

It's also for that reason that despite being

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, he was able to teleport away ignoring the black flames

So all in all, FTG laughs at Amaterasu U_U

Secondly, even if it was the case, something i never really understood with this argument is the fact that since Sasuke is protected by fire, people think something can't get through? May i remind you what happened with Raikage?

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Amaterasu is fire. It has not shown physical durability/defense. So why are people saying kunai couldn't get through? May i remind you it failed to get through the fodder Samurai's armor despite the fact it was on him for several minutes?

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And his armor is made with the same material kunai is made or almost. A kunai that Minato could throw from a distance that would pass through the fire not even in an instant isn't going to burn the same instant when it failed to burn through a similar material despite several minutes on it. It's for that reason i always find this argument laughable

And like we know, Minato can teleport everything connected to his chakra

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So with a kunai connected to his chakra, he can make contact with Sasuke's Susanoo without even approaching by himself and thus could warp it away with ease and without taking risks

Like he can also use

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With the use of a clone he can even go a step ahead if he wanted by using the Goshun Mawashi

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With this move, both Tobirama and Minato were not only able to remove the fast and quick defensive chakra balls from Obito, but delivers an attack the same instant fast enough that even himself was uncapable to react and we all know that Obito is tiers faster than Sasuke

Susanoo argument

Susanoo has shown solidity. Tsunade even showed us that you're even capable to cut it apart and use it as your own weapon

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So what if Minato puts a mark on Sasuke's Susanoo? From that point, even if Minato couldn't break it with one attack, with a marking on the Susanoo, it allows Minato to attack it with continuous attacks anytime he wants with repetitive attacks if he wanted(examples like Double Rasengan, Double Odama Rasengan, Food cart destroyer and so on), or even redirect Sasuke's attacks(Susanoo arrows for example) on himself

On the other hand, what would Sasuke do from that point? Continuously maintain Susanoo and thus spending chakra for nothing? Because yes in this case, it's for nothing since from the moment he can't hit Minato, the sole purpose of his Susanoo shield would be to avoid quick defeat. And with a marking on Susanoo, the moment he would want to remove it(or he runs out of chakra), Minato could easily take the opportunity to finish him off

Last argument but not the least that many people neglect is the apport of Summons. I dare say that the destructive powers of toad summons exceeds all what Susanoo has shown so far:

Gamabunta not only blitzed a Bijuu, but he cut his tough body in half

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His attacks can change landscape

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And his body is durable enough to handle Shukaku's attacks

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He even pinned down the Kyubi in an instant

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What it mainly lacks is Sasuke's Susanoo's versatility i would say

Like he can also summon Pa and Ma for the frog song or frog genjutsu. Sasuke made us understand

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because of sound vibration. Well, Pa and Ma have

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(able to paralyse Pain summons). With this jutsu, Minato can take advantage of this to finish off Sasuke the moment he gets paralysed with a Rasengan

We also know thanks to Kabuto, that

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, so Pa and Ma use this and he is done for:

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This jutsu is a long range attack essentially, so Minato doesn't even need them to be close to finish the job and with against a FTG user, there is no hope to stop the jutsu in time

For those who could think Minato couldn't summon Pa and Ma because he didn't do on panel i don't think, because Kishimoto himself stated that a contract with Gamabunta is a contract with every toad, so Minato could summon every toad he wants. He even showed the capacity to summon rare species even in Myouboku
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Gerotora (ゲロ寅, Gerotora) is a scroll toad from Mount Myōboku — a rare species that closely guards whatever secret has been written on its scroll-abdomen until its contractor dies.

I don't see why he can't summon them, when everything implies he can

Now i'm not saying toad summons alone would defeat Sasuke, but i'm pretty confident that this raw power used by someone as fast like Minato(example with Kyubi) or in combo with hiraishin would mean trouble. Just imagine a FTG user using a long range genjutsu attack like Frog genjutsu. How could you even avoid defeat in this case?

Like you can see i didn't use my usual Susanoo teleporting argument. That's only because some don't believe it despite being obviously possible for me considering the description of the jutsu. This thread just shows why i believe Minato can still defeat Sasuke even without BM U_U

 

[D R E X]

Sasuke is nothing compared to Minato

and i agree .

 

[luly]

yeah i agree :yeah:

 

[Klad]

Sasuke still has a long way to reach Minato's level .


Okay , Sasuke may have haxx techs , but he still can't use them good , and he hasn't master anything , except Enton .

U_U

 

[Aero]

Maybe in the future sasuke can beat minato but not right now....
And theres always the sealing jutsu which for some reason i think minato could use one to temporarily seal susanoo but that is just a theory

 

[Sazzi]

i agree sasuke cannot beat minato...

 

[Everztar]

applause..

 

[-R-]

Appreciate the long, damned writing. But you dont need to, yet again, they are uchiha Fanboys. Logic wont even work with them.

 

[Dantee]

Nah I don't think so. A kunai marked with a paper seal will be get burned in an instant. What good does teleporting in a wall of enton do for Minato. As for Sasukes stamina inside Susanoo, I hardly doubt thats a problem. Sasuke hasn't had a problem with stamina ever since unlocking his EMS. Kirin is also a factor since Sasuke can heat up the atmosphere no problem now that he can spam Amaterasu.


Summons are of no use. Susanoo with legs and enton blade fodderize Gambunta or Sasuke can use aoda and hawk summons to give Minato enough trouble. Amaterasu is sped up if the user focuses on the target.

Connected to his chakra is another way of saying he needs to touch them or else Minato would teleported the tree by just throwing a kunai at it. Or he would have teleported Naruto and Sasuke with just a kunai in the vincinity.

Teleporting Susanoo away by touching it... Doubtful because either the user will follow with Susanoo. There is nothing really else to prove otherwise going by what happened in the manga.

Also Susanoo is capable of jumping at enormous heights and has great mobility with legs. Even if he teleports it what we will he do if Sasuke is still in control. Get burned for teleporting?

All and all Minato can't do much to hurt Sasuke.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

I would say that in a hypothetical battle where Plot Shielding doesn't exist, then yes, Minato would be the victor.

Nah I don't think so. A kunai marked with a paper seal will be get burned in an instant. What good does teleporting in a wall of enton do for Minato. As for Sasukes stamina inside Susanoo, I hardly doubt thats a problem. Sasuke hasn't had a problem with stamina ever since unlocking his EMS. Kirin is also a factor since Sasuke can heat up the atmosphere no problem now that he can spam Amaterasu.


Summons are of no use. Susanoo with legs and enton blade fodderize Gambunta or Sasuke can use aoda and hawk summons to give Minato enough trouble. Amaterasu is sped up if the user focuses on the target.

Connected to his chakra is another way of saying he needs to touch them or else Minato would teleported the tree by just throwing a kunai at it. Or he would have teleported Naruto and Sasuke with just a kunai in the vincinity.

Teleporting Susanoo away by touching it... Doubtful because either the user will follow with Susanoo. There is nothing really else to prove otherwise going by what happened in the manga.

Also Susanoo is capable of jumping at enormous heights and has great mobility with legs. Even if he teleports it what we will he do if Sasuke is still in control. Get burned for teleporting?

All and all Minato can't do much to hurt Sasuke.

You underrate Minato and overrate Sasuke.

And you failed to counter the argument that Minato could sacrifice clones to place markings <__<

Minato would win (high difficulty) in the absence of plot shield. Although I don't expect you to comprehend this.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

T Bogard will always be willing to defend minato, and would proceed to provide legitmate explanations on why, even if sasuke becomes a continental busters, T bogard will still come to conclusions that he can win.

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[Ahmed1993]

Nah I don't think so. A kunai marked with a paper seal will be get burned in an instant. What good does teleporting in a wall of enton do for Minato. As for Sasukes stamina inside Susanoo, I hardly doubt thats a problem. Sasuke hasn't had a problem with stamina ever since unlocking his EMS. Kirin is also a factor since Sasuke can heat up the atmosphere no problem now that he can spam Amaterasu.


Summons are of no use. Susanoo with legs and enton blade fodderize Gambunta or Sasuke can use aoda and hawk summons to give Minato enough trouble. Amaterasu is sped up if the user focuses on the target.

Connected to his chakra is another way of saying he needs to touch them or else Minato would teleported the tree by just throwing a kunai at it. Or he would have teleported Naruto and Sasuke with just a kunai in the vincinity.

Teleporting Susanoo away by touching it... Doubtful because either the user will follow with Susanoo. There is nothing really else to prove otherwise going by what happened in the manga.

Also Susanoo is capable of jumping at enormous heights and has great mobility with legs. Even if he teleports it what we will he do if Sasuke is still in control. Get burned for teleporting?

All and all Minato can't do much to hurt Sasuke.

This guy soloed the thread.

 

[Dantee]

I would say that in a hypothetical battle where Plot Shielding doesn't exist, then yes, Minato would be the victor.



You underrate Minato and overrate Sasuke.

Minato would win (high difficulty) in the absence of plot shield. Although I don't expect you to comprehend this.

Or maybe you guys need to stop wanking Minato. He's troublesome but he is beatable. Current Sasuke takes this med diff, I know you can't follow where the manga is going, but Minato has been surpassed. Get over it.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Or maybe you guys need to stop wanking Minato. He's troublesome but he is beatable. Current Sasuke takes this med diff, I know you can't follow where the manga is going, but Minato has been surpassed. Get over it.

This base is full of Sasuke and Uchiha haters and Minato d*ck riders , so its useless to argue with them.

 

[Bogard]

Nah I don't think so. A kunai marked with a paper seal will be get burned in an instant. What good does teleporting in a wall of enton do for Minato. As for Sasukes stamina inside Susanoo, I hardly doubt thats a problem. Sasuke hasn't had a problem with stamina ever since unlocking his EMS. Kirin is also a factor since Sasuke can heat up the atmosphere no problem now that he can spam Amaterasu.

There is no paper on the kunais. The marking is on the thin part of Minato's special kunai(i think the viz confirms it), and even if it was the case, it's not as if Minato can't put markings with his hands on normal kunais or whatever material and throw them on Sasuke and thus avoiding the problem. I also never said Minato would teleport in a wall of enton.

I said Minato would teleport the wall of enton elsewhere(alongside Susanoo) when it connects with chakra-kunai connection and thus leaving Sasuke open. Kirin isn't a problem at all, not only because it would never hit a teleporter, but Minato could redirect it back to him by puting a barrier. EMS doesn't mean Sasuke's chakra is infinite. Just maintaining Susanoo all the time takes chakra. It's for that reason that even currently, you don't see him maintaining Susanoo when he doesn't need to

Summons are of no use. Susanoo with legs and enton blade fodderize Gambunta or Sasuke can use aoda and hawk summons to give Minato enough trouble. Amaterasu is sped up if the user focuses on the target.

A Gamabunta alone is no use, but a teleporting Gamabunta, not at all. With a marking on Susanoo's chakra, Minato could directly use food cart destroyer on him

Connected to his chakra is another way of saying he needs to touch them or else Minato would teleported the tree by just throwing a kunai at it. Or he would have teleported Naruto and Sasuke with just a kunai in the vincinity.

Not really. Connected to his chakra means he can teleport everything that touches his chakra exactly like his clone teleported his original(who has his chakra) without touching him, exactly like he teleported entire alliance shinobi without touching them directly

Teleporting Susanoo away by touching it... Doubtful because either the user will follow with Susanoo. There is nothing really else to prove otherwise going by what happened in the manga.

I do believe he can since like i've said he can decide what to teleport when something is connected to his chakra, so if he connects with Susanoo, which is itself connected with the Susanoo user or not, he can decide to teleport either of them like he decided to teleport Sasuke and Naruto only ignoring Obito who was also indirectly connected, but it's true it's only an hypothese

Also Susanoo is capable of jumping at enormous heights and has great mobility with legs. Even if he teleports it what we will he do if Sasuke is still in control. Get burned for teleporting?

Like i've said, he can use continous attacks on it(Double Rasengan or Odama, Food Cart destroyer and so on). He can also send a clone. Despite the great mobility you mention he isn't escaping the moment Minato puts a marking on him

 

[xcoyote]

I doubt he can defeat KCM EMS Jugo Jinchuuriki Sasuke

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[Uchiha Josephus]

Or maybe you guys need to stop wanking Minato. He's troublesome but he is beatable. Current Sasuke takes this med diff, I know you can't follow where the manga is going, but Minato has been surpassed. Get over it.

Or maybe you need to stop wanking Sasuke. He's troublesome but he is beatable. Current Minato takes this high diff ... XD

Minato has been surpassed, sure, but not by Sasuke. You have to realize that there is a lot more to battles than "power levels".

This base is full of Sasuke and Uchiha haters and Minato d*ck riders , so its useless to argue with them.

Uh ... I'm pretty sure you just got that backwards XD

OT -> I don't hate Sasuke or Uchihas (look at my avatar and username ... :|) and I realize that Minato has his limitations, but I still think he could defeat Sasuke (for the time being at least).

I doubt he can defeat KCM EMS Jugo Jinchuuriki Sasuke

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LOL!!!! Maybe not

 

[Blaze Release]

Wrong section.

Also "establishing why Minato still defeats Sasuke".

When have they fought each other for minato to still be able to defeat sasuke.
Regardless *yawn*. All you have done is created a biased scenario with misconceptions to favour Minato, nothing impressive. Anybody can do that.

Id like to think a Sasuke fan can do the same

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

awesome, as of now the only thing that has dealt with minato is speed and sasuke doen't have that

 

[Bogard]

Wrong section.

Also "establishing why Minato still defeats Sasuke".

When have they fought each other for minato to still be able to defeat sasuke.
Regardless *yawn*. All you have done is created a biased scenario with misconceptions to favour Minato, nothing impressive. Anybody can do that.

Id like to think a Sasuke fan can do the same

It's no biased scenario. It's just the truth Lol. Kishimoto told me he restricted Minato from using his other hand because he would have soloed the war if it wasn't the case U_U