Naruto and Hashirama both just come off as naive to me now

[mikeeozua]

Their concept of 'dreams' just feels naive to me at the moment, as if they really believe that a few words would change anything in the world right now. People like Orochimaru and Nagato are prime examples of people who have lost everything to the war and are vengeful on the villages that caused them that pain. Naruto and Hashirama can never get to people like that with just words and I can't honestly understand why I think they would.

 

[Aya San]

What did oro lose? That's a psychopath trying to gain immortality and killed his sensei

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Naruto already changed Nagato though so...

 

[mikeeozua]

What did oro lose? That's a psychopath trying to gain immortality and killed his sensei

His parents.

 

[Reflection]

Naruto already changed Nagato though so...

Need anyone say more?

 

[mikeeozua]

Need anyone say more?

Still doesn't mean anyone else would just do the same.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Still doesn't mean anyone else would just do the same.

He can change anyone. If he can change the head of Akatsuki who's whole life goal abandoned by a simple talk from Naruto.

People throughout the series say his power is to change people. He can do it...

 

[a banned cartoon]

This thread makes you look naive, because Kishimoto's obviously using them as comical relief.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Hashirama and Naruto were able to pass on their memories to everyone. Even their dreams. This wasn't possible for Oro and Nagato.
The war faced by the shinobis already brought them close to each other and most importantly made them understand each other. Because they all are witnessing their existence as a SHINOBI.
If the first Gokage meeting could become a complete success, the current situation wouldn't be created. But everyone looked into it because of their own profits.
What their dreams is... is just accepting the truth and walk together towards their dream, that is, peace. At least they will be living in the real world.
But the other side is trying to nullify the past and rejecting its own existence as well as forcing others to do the same. Isn't that naive?
At least Hashirama requested. But Madara and Obito are forcing their dreams over others.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Their concept of 'dreams' just feels naive to me at the moment, as if they really believe that a few words would change anything in the world right now. People like Orochimaru and Nagato are prime examples of people who have lost everything to the war and are vengeful on the villages that caused them that pain. Naruto and Hashirama can never get to people like that with just words and I can't honestly understand why I think they would.

He's also already touched the hearts of all the Kage's and most likely the future ones since they're in this war, because they've seen him in action, and they know his nobility towards changes in the shinobi system.

 

[Silent Phantom]

Naruto already changed Nagato though so...

But Nagato truly wanted piece most people only want things for themselves or their villages

 

[2nd hokage]

Good point its like when naruto tells everyone that he will be hokage one day just words. Also I'm kinda tired of kishi stealing from the real world I like Dr. King aswell but I don't think we need two of them in one Magna. Because I have a dream where men and women boys and girls can sit down and read naruto. Without wasted panles or twenty chapters of flashbacks where we wont have to wait a year for fifteen minutes to pass in the Magna. I have a dream where all the questions are answered and no fanboy can dispute who owns who and we can finally see if naruto is the new sage or if the sage is in naruto but alas I fear that the moons eye plan was cast that we are all trapped under its influence just waiting for its master to give us a tidd bit of info. Waiting to see the light at the end of the tunnel wasting away to nothing holding on till our bitter end hopeful for something meaningful something that is close to greatness but sadly my friends it will be another asspull.

 

[take it easy]

moon eyes plan more naive than naruto and hashi dreams.

 

[odara rasengan]

Dont forget. They could feel naruto's heart . Not listen to his words . There is a difference.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

But Nagato truly wanted piece most people only want things for themselves or their villages

Nagato's plan he had worked on nearly his whole life. It was his goal. Naruto walked in, preached for like 10 minutes and changed him, and his views on the world, his plans, everything.

Even if he wanted peace, he changed everything because of Naruto.

 

[mikeeozua]

He's also already touched the hearts of all the Kage's and most likely the future ones since they're in this war, because they've seen him in action, and they know his nobility towards changes in the shinobi system.

And who's to say that someone else won't rise once Naruto's dead?

 

[Fodder#4]

Naruto already changed Nagato though so...

A momentary lapse in God's judgement, I assure you. Had he a night to sleep on it nothing would of changed.

OT: They are Goku wannabe's. Hashirama may be able to understand others pain. But Naruto still.. Has yet to actually lose more then a single person close to him. I don't mean friend. I mean, actually bond close. Like Jiraya

 

[KingHashirama]

Their concept of 'dreams' just feels naive to me at the moment, as if they really believe that a few words would change anything in the world right now. People like Orochimaru and Nagato are prime examples of people who have lost everything to the war and are vengeful on the villages that caused them that pain. Naruto and Hashirama can never get to people like that with just words and I can't honestly understand why I think they would.

-Hashirama, changed the fate of the world, by making the Gokage meeting possible and creating the village. Yet you say naive.

- Naruto has already gotten to Zabuza and Nagato... Hashirama got to the whole uchiha clan, other countries who lost their kids/brothers/husbands/wifes in the war.

- Orochimaru is just 1 person. But who said Naruto and Hashirama are suppose to presuade everyone?

A momentary lapse in God's judgement, I assure you. Had he a night to sleep on it nothing would of changed.

OT: They are Goku wannabe's. Hashirama may be able to understand others pain. But Naruto still.. Has yet to actually lose more then a single person close to him. I don't mean friend. I mean, actually bond close. Like Jiraya

Lost his parents, never had anyone there. Saw the people hes trying to protect get slaughtered like nothing. ...... Saw his home get destroyed. Saw Kakashi's death... Naruto has suffered more pain then the antagonist mate. Pretty sure the only reason Nagato got persuaded was because Naruto understands the pain.

Goku wannabe's? Never knew Goku entered politics.

 

[HBKJames]

Their concept of 'dreams' just feels naive to me at the moment, as if they really believe that a few words would change anything in the world right now. People like Orochimaru and Nagato are prime examples of people who have lost everything to the war and are vengeful on the villages that caused them that pain. Naruto and Hashirama can never get to people like that with just words and I can't honestly understand why I think they would.

The fact that Naruto has already changed Nagato is proof that your whole OP is failed logic

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

A momentary lapse in God's judgement, I assure you. Had he a night to sleep on it nothing would of changed.

He felt the same when he was revived as an Edo. He changed.