What kind of a hokage Hiruzen was in your opinion?

[paratise]

What is your opinion on him?
Not power levels; from aspects such as political stand point and leadership, what kind of a hokage he was?


In my opinion (Rest is my opinion, skip if you don't wanna read just post yours if you want); he was a little too passive:

-Letting Danzo do to dirty work

-Uchiha massacare

-Sacrificing Hyuuga Hizashi to avoid conflict with Cloud village(in summary in case you don't remember; a situation between both villages after conflict; Cloud ambassadors come to Leaf for peace treaty, but in the night they attempt to abduct Hinata. The Cloud ninja attempted abduction killed by Hiashi during the attempt. Leaf informed the situation to Cloud, but Cloud denied and claimed Leaf broke the peace treaty, therefore demanded Hiashi (clan leader's) dead body; but instead Leaf give Hizashi's (Hiashi's twin) body since Hizashi's branch family seal on his forehead that seals byakugan, therefore prevent giving the byakugan's power to enemy even after death)

-Letting Orochimaru go like that after what he did through village (murders and experiments)

-Sasuke and Naruto...Why these kids suffered loneliness? Okay forget Sasuke atleast he was popular and liked among kids; but why he did not go to Naruto, talked to him, spent some time etc.? He was busy maybe because of his position, but Tsunade was able to give training to Sakura despite her position; he could atleast spend some time with the kid even for a little to make him believe that he is not on his own.

What do you think? What kind of a hokage Hiruzen in your opinon.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

A crappy one..(in before them Hiruzen fanboys)

 

[Bogard]

I always liked Hiruzen, but looking back at his back story, it made me realise he was the worse hokage ever. The worse thing he did is probably concerning the Hyuga conflict. How in da hell does he want to sacrifice a Hyuga when it's the cloud who attacked them?

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

I always liked Hiruzen, but looking back at his back story, it made me realise he was the worse hokage ever. The worse thing he did is probably concerning the Hyuga conflict. How in da hell does he want to sacrifice a Hyuga when it's the cloud who attacked them?

why didnt hiashi man up and die instead of letting his bro do it

as for the issue the leaf was too weak after the war too continue it since they dont prep their nins for combat

 

[paratise]

A crappy one..(in before them Hiruzen fanboys)

Enma would be a better hokage :|

I always liked Hiruzen, but looking back at his back story, it made me realise he was the worse hokage ever. The worse thing he did is probably concerning the Hyuga conflict. How in da hell does he want to sacrifice a Hyuga when it's the cloud who attacked them?

I liked him as a person too somehow. But hokage? And Cloud incident was horrible. Leaf had every right in that situation; but Cloud gets away and Leaf makes a sacrifice on top of it; that's baffling.

 

[rikuxreborn]

looking back at what u wrote i gotta say i dislike how he handled things, again i never really liked Hiruzen to begin with

 

[foxyladyland]

lets be honest.. Hiruzen should've stopped Orochimaru back in the day when he found out he was killing kids <.<
he should have also had the curse mark on Anko removed.. <.< Oro was spying on them with that thing.. (maybe)
he should have also trained Asuma better. <.<
He should have wooped Danzo's azz <.<
He should have never told Orochimaru about seeing his dead parents in the future.. <.<
he should've been Itachi

 

[Optimistic]

He was horrible, he was as bad as his sensei.He didn't change anything about the 2 clans Hyuuga and Uchiha, he kept the Uchiha in one place and didn't change the messed up ways of the cadet and main branch.He even allowed Danzo remain in the shadows despite knowing how dark and cruel he is.He even offered Neji's farther head to the hidden cloud ffs, he allowed Orochimaru scoot free.He didn't even tell Naruto who his farther was he didn't need to give his farther last name but the kid should've known his parents and what they've done for him, this left Naruto to suffer and feel like no one ever loved him.Because of his favoritism of his student the 4th Kazekage lost his life as well as his own.

 

[Henrik]

A good one. At the start of Naruto, Hiruzen was old which means he has/had much knowledge. He did many good things, like;

Stopping Orochimaru and sacrifice for the Village
A big help in Kyuubi attack

Better Hokage than Tsunade? By far.
Better than Tobirama? No.
Better than Hashirama? My opinion, yes.
Better than Minato? Njeh. Minato was not Hokage for a long time so i'd say no

 

[paratise]

He was horrible, he was as bad as his sensei.He didn't change anything about the 2 clans Hyuuga and Uchiha, he kept the Uchiha in one place and didn't change the messed up ways of the cadet and main branch.He even allowed Danzo remain in the shadows despite knowing how dark and cruel he is.He even offered Neji's farther head to the hidden cloud ffs, he allowed Orochimaru scoot free.He didn't even tell Naruto who his farther was he didn't need to give his farther last name but the kid should've known his parents and what they've done for him, this left Naruto to suffer and feel like no one ever loved him.Because of his favoritism of his student the 4th Kazekage lost his life as well as his own.

Yup Timmy you said it all.

A good one. At the start of Naruto, Hiruzen was old which means he has/had much knowledge. He did many good things, like;

Stopping Orochimaru and sacrifice for the Village
A big help in Kyuubi attack

If he got a grip and killed Orochimaru right before; none of those would happen.
In Kyuubi attack; Minato was the hokage. Hiruzen helped as a fighter; but thread is about political stand point; fighting is what most ninja do.

 

[Thundergod123]

Looking around here he only have two or three fanboys on this base but fortunaly Danzo finally got one fanboy.

 

[paratise]

Looking around here he only have two or three fanboys on this base but fortunaly Danzo finally got one fanboy.

What you have said was totally relevant and i am not being sarcastic at all.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Looking around here he only have two or three fanboys on this base but fortunaly Danzo finally got one fanboy.

And this says what dealing with the thread....

 

[Transcendence]

Well... Nice analysis as usual caterpillar.

I pretty much agree on everything. In such a position of power, he was far too passive. He never enforced his power at all. Sure, he was there when the village REALLY needed him; like when Orochimaru attacked the village, but that could of been prevented entirely if he killed Orochimaru to begin with when he had the chance and when he was exponentially more powerful than him at the time. Same thing with Danzo; letting him do his own thing, and in turn, we see that more casualties were put on Konoha during the Pein invasion because Danzo (post Hiruzen death) was still around, not helping the village, all because Hiruzen wouldn't enforce his power and remove Danzo.

 

[Henrik]

Yup Timmy you said it all.

If he got a grip and killed Orochimaru right before; none of those would happen.
In Kyuubi attack; Minato was the hokage. Hiruzen helped as a fighter; but thread is about political stand point; fighting is what most ninja do.

You can imagine how hard it is to kill your own id you have trained; it's like a child. It was the same for Kakashi but he realized it, and so did Hiruzen.

 

[Stark]

The greatest Kage till this day

 

[Minator93]

The best kind

 

[startup97]

The best and my favorite!!!
This Man!!!

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And because of the "Will of Fire" and his compassionate personality!

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The only problem with Hiruzen was that he was too caring and he simply failed to carry on Lord Second's ideals. He even left the dark stuff to be handled by Danzo who had manipulated others while Hiruzen did nothing about it. He also failed to kill Orochimaru despite having the chance at one point.

 

[Frikid]

every jinchuriki have the same fate as naruto. Killer bee also experienced such treatment.
And i think hiruzen was the person who brought up naruto, gave him food and stuff while he was still young (like 1 or 2 ) year old.

Hiruzen should not be blamed for uchiha massacre as he protested against it but he was the only one to do so, so he got outvoted and uchiha massacre became inevitable.

Hyuuga incident also makes sense to me. You should understand that cloud village could have started a war against konoha and then a lot more people would have died.
Sacrificing one person to protect a whole village is a much sensible solution.

 

[paratise]

Well... Nice analysis as usual caterpillar.

Thank you :yayy:

I pretty much agree on everything. In such a position of power, he was far too passive. He never enforced his power at all. Sure, he was there when the village REALLY needed him; like when Orochimaru attacked the village, but that could of been prevented entirely if he killed Orochimaru to begin with when he had the chance and when he was exponentially more powerful than him at the time. Same thing with Danzo; letting him do his own thing, and in turn, we see that more casualties were put on Konoha during the Pein invasion because Danzo (post Hiruzen death) was still around, not helping the village, all because Hiruzen wouldn't enforce his power and remove Danzo.

This my overall point of view...far too passive as a politician.

You can imagine how hard it is to kill your own id you have trained; it's like a child. It was the same for Kakashi but he realized it, and so did Hiruzen.

It is; but this is what mean protecting a country and village; leader needs to get a grip; village had bunch of people he cared as well; but he risked them all for one person; and that person was realy dangerous.