[Debate Tournament] FemmeFatale vs. Erin / Tsunade vs. Kakuzu
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OT:Okay, This is about to turn into a Sakura and Ino Moment, Kid gloves are off <3
Well you did have a strong defense, none of what you said can bypass the effects of Tsunade healing. She can tank any attack he throws at her, which will result in him using long range attacks.
He can send his hearts out to attack her but that allow will lead to a quicker death for him.
Tsunade was fast and strong enough to defeat Sasunoo's that are far more superior to the heart monsters.
The Sasunoo's are pretty quick too
And it is quite possible that her punch will have the same effect as Sakura's did should the gang up on her at once, and there are no liabilities there so she could use a gigantic punch. And they will die like that.
And her reflexes as well as her reaction time is very good.
Look at her reflexes against Kabuto (who was a compared to Kakashi, and was able to get away from him), and she hit with such speed and precision that, he didn't even know what hit him.
So if Kakuzu tries to hit head on she can simply paralyzed with her fist or her electricity.
Not to mention she was a little tipsy, and rusty. And she wasn't even all full stamina
Note: how she was out of breath and still manages to keep up with him.
Kabuto tries to sneak up on Tsunade...she notices what going on and dodges it
Notice how fast she couters his attack and how fast he avoids it.
Still she quickly changes positions and kicks a rock at him, notice how he is directly behind her and he would appear to be open for a attack.
It would seem as though it is over for her, but she is highly durable, and she had tanked a sword through the chest before even activated her seal too. Check out this durability, no seal active or anything, and she is fatigued and rusty. She manages to muster up the strength to disregard her injuries and sneak up on Kabuto.
And this feat just about counters everything you said
Not to mention her reaction time,
And she tank a sword to the heart and one to the back before activating Creation Rebirth
He will be forced to change into his long range mode, and then she will attack him, grab one of his tendrils and then smash his body, paralyzing him long enough, to either punch his heart, chakra scalpel them, rip them out, pull his head off...
Katsuyu would be overkill, and isn't really needed.
And another thing is that she works fast, when Chiyo stated that Tsunade show how manage to counter every poision she threw at her, which embarrassed her.
And the time limit isn't applied because the match would be over before once he attacks.
And her current yin seal feats were amazing, one the bring of death she was able to sustain the chakra in the seal while healing the Kage.
And her summoning jutsu seems to bypass time limits, edvident in both her and Sakura.
Notice how Katsuyu said her power is dependent on the yin seal, and notice how Sasuke and Naruto summonings expired.
Well you did have a strong defense, none of what you said can bypass the effects of Tsunade healing. She can tank any attack he throws at her, which will result in him using long range attacks.
He can send his hearts out to attack her but that allow will lead to a quicker death for him.
Tsunade was fast and strong enough to defeat Sasunoo's that are far more superior to the heart monsters.
The Sasunoo's are pretty quick too
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And it is quite possible that her punch will have the same effect as Sakura's did should the gang up on her at once, and there are no liabilities there so she could use a gigantic punch. And they will die like that.
And her reflexes as well as her reaction time is very good.
Look at her reflexes against Kabuto (who was a compared to Kakashi, and was able to get away from him), and she hit with such speed and precision that, he didn't even know what hit him.
So if Kakuzu tries to hit head on she can simply paralyzed with her fist or her electricity.
Not to mention she was a little tipsy, and rusty. And she wasn't even all full stamina
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Note: how she was out of breath and still manages to keep up with him.
Kabuto tries to sneak up on Tsunade...she notices what going on and dodges it
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Notice how fast she couters his attack and how fast he avoids it.
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Still she quickly changes positions and kicks a rock at him, notice how he is directly behind her and he would appear to be open for a attack.
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It would seem as though it is over for her, but she is highly durable, and she had tanked a sword through the chest before even activated her seal too. Check out this durability, no seal active or anything, and she is fatigued and rusty. She manages to muster up the strength to disregard her injuries and sneak up on Kabuto.
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And this feat just about counters everything you said
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Not to mention her reaction time,
And she tank a sword to the heart and one to the back before activating Creation Rebirth
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He will be forced to change into his long range mode, and then she will attack him, grab one of his tendrils and then smash his body, paralyzing him long enough, to either punch his heart, chakra scalpel them, rip them out, pull his head off...
Katsuyu would be overkill, and isn't really needed.
And another thing is that she works fast, when Chiyo stated that Tsunade show how manage to counter every poision she threw at her, which embarrassed her.
And the time limit isn't applied because the match would be over before once he attacks.
And her current yin seal feats were amazing, one the bring of death she was able to sustain the chakra in the seal while healing the Kage.
And her summoning jutsu seems to bypass time limits, edvident in both her and Sakura.
Notice how Katsuyu said her power is dependent on the yin seal, and notice how Sasuke and Naruto summonings expired.
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As I stated before, while she can easily shrug off light attacks, heavy damage deters her and causes her to hesitate and even come to a full halt.
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This not only gives Kakuzu a huge advantage at that moment, but also allows him to inflict even more heavy damage. Of course it does not halt her regeneration completely, but the constant load of damage will be immensely taxing on her chakra, making her seal run out much faster than in her fight with Madara.In the battle versus Madara she only sustained four or so of these heavy wounds. (before dan restored her chakra). Kakuzu can simulate nearly the same and even much more damage by using his Ninjutsu Concomitance to create deadly attacks, as shown in my earlier calculations, just the Katon from Kakuzu can nearly vaporize Tsunade.
Kakuzu's hearts and madara's clones are simply not comparable. Madara's clones fight head on in close quarters combat, a category Tsunade specializes in. Not one of Kakuzu's Hearts uses any kind of Taijutsu, and will be fighting from mid ranged distances. In the face of a possible close range attack, the Fuuton Mask can simply blow tsunade back and away from whichever mask is in danger.
Even this is only precautionary, as Kakuzu's strategy (The one I mention in my opening post) is best used when Fuuton Raiton and Katon are all relatively close to Tsunade. This forces Tsunade to make her way to Kakuzu and allows Kakuzu to control the range in which he engages at. It also allows fast coordinated elemental attacks to cause tsunade great damage and in turn force her to use her regeneration in heavily taxing capacities.
She was only able to hit Kabuto because he turned away from her and gloated to impress Orochimaru.
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This is assumed if she can get in striking range, which is impossible do to Kakuzu's Fuuton. As stated before, while under regular circumstances tsunade would be able to possibly resist it's winds, his Fuuton is so strong it rends and gouges the earth beneath her feat, completely taking away her footing and sending her sprawling backwards.
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She has no way to bypass this. Being a Mid range attack, he can also use it in close quarters, if she does get uncomfortably close to him.In an unforeseen event where this does happen (Which is nearly impossible) It is highly likely that Kakuzu has no nervous system at all. He shows no signs of pain when his appendages are severed, it is most likely that his appendages are instead completely controlled by the chakra that is channeled from his heart, and not a system of nerves at all.
While these are decent feats, they are not as impressive in light of Kakuzu's feats, being able to completely overtake, stop at extreme speeds, and strike kakashi (without kakashi being ab;e to react) while he had sharingan recog is far more impressive than kabuto or tsunade's speed and reflexes. He was able to accomplish this only moments after being stabbed in the heart and being thrown to the floor.
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He is also able to dodge an attack at extreme close range mere moments before he was able to overcome the affects of shikimaru's shadow binding.
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His reflexes are on par or greater than Tsunades and he has far more Taijutsu Experience.While all of his close quarters feats are precautionary, he can always employ his Fuuton mask to knock Tsunade backwards to allow himself more room to launch Elemental attacks.
I am not exactly sure what you mean to imply here, but I'll do my best to interpret.
1. Yes she was able to sneak up on Kabuto who has his back turned as was gloating to impress Orochimaru.
2. She was not cut by the sword before she was able to sneak up on Kabuto.
3. I don't see any feats in the links you posted that disprove or counter anything I have stated, in the link directly below your statement (Naruto Chapter 591 page 9) She is seen deflected small fireballs with her hands. As I have stated before in my opening post, yes she can shrug of light attacks, It is heavy attacks that slow her down.
All of Kakuzu's attacks do much more damage than what she has been shown to take and will undoubtedly slow her down and even cause her to stop for a brief time, causing her to use great copious amounts of regeneration chakra that will heavily tax her stamina. His katon measured at 21 Kilotons of energy will nearly vaporize her.
His Fuuton utilizes Vacuum power to produce potentially deadly tornado speed winds that can obliterate giant 50 meter tall trees in an instant. (Ino implies that if hidan were not immortal he would have been severely injured or killed by such a stunt).
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His Raiton is noted to be able to clearly cut even rocks.
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While being able to shrug off small fireballs an tank a sword to the chest, is no easy task, Kakuzu's attacks are on a completely other level. She will not be able to shrug of such attacks and will show fatigue much greater than what was shown during the battle with Madara when she is hit by such potent attacks. 4. The sword did not pierce her heart.
He will not need to go into anything besides his second state, to be able to merge with his Masks if needed. His largest most unmaneuverable state will definitely not be used in such a fight.
As iv'e stated before, there is no possible way for her to reach him because of his Fuuton, she will never be able to close range, and even if she nears such a range (In a completely Hypothetical Situation) it will be short lived due to Kakuzu's speed and evasive skills, followed by a wind blast that would send her flying like a rag doll.
In the case of a punch he can simply use his Doton: Earth spear to harden his body and become immune to physical attacks.
I've already provided sufficient counters for Katsuya, she won't be able to come in range do to his ground covering and Vaporizing Katon: Searing Migrane.
As far as her experience, in battle experience she is outmatched by Kakuzu, who has been gaining combat experience since the First Hokage's era.
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1. No, once he attacks he will be at an extreme advantage.
2. Her seal feats are vastly irrelevant once she can no longer sustain Byakugou, after she has expended it's chakra she will immediately faint. This will be the end of the fight as Kakuzu will finish her there.
3. This is possible, but does little considering Katsuya would remain at bay.
All this being accounted for, I maintain my original thesis.
Off Record: @thread: Please be nice. :yeah:
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LOL This debate will continue forever, because you are ignoring the part where Kakuzu get's defeated once he makes contact with Tsunade. I She can dodge many attacks, but I'll have a counter by tomorrow , have an early class tommorow, must sleep
Kakuzu won't make close quarters contact with her even once in the entire fight. All of my Taijutsu and speed, tanking explanations where just precautionary hypotheticals. She's not dodging his wide radius Fuuton and Katon at Short-Mid Range.
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Wait I literally couldnt sleep because I had to say this, Tsunade isnt running out of chakrs before Kakuzu. Why? Not she outlasted Ay, known for his bujji level chakra, on top of healing 2 people. And She is an senjuzumaki her reserves are large. Proven by her seal feats, not to mention what happened in recent chapter, with her and the tree and all. And hearts doesnt = chakra, stamina and strength maybe bout no chakra. I neef to scan for that. If that was the case kakashi would have uchiha chakra
I never stated his hearts gave him more chakra.
I've already noted this in my opening:
His chakra reserves are definitely large, most likely not as large a tsunade's but he was easily able to fight an entire battle against Yamato, Kakashi, Naruto and Team 10 without showing any fatigue what so ever.
Also tsunade didn't outlast Ay with stamina, she outlasted him with chakra, solely because she had reserves sealed away.
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Chakra comes from ones body energy, because tsunade didn't need to generate more chakra she has an edge over Ay's Body Energy (Stamina). The point being that it was her seal not her seal not her natural senju/uzumaki stamina that caused her to outlast ay. Sadly she still collapsed after her seal was used up while Ay was still standing on his feet.
With this noted, Kakuzu is not going to out last her in equal terms, he will outlast her by forcing her to use copious amounts regeneration, damage far greater than what she was forced to deal with during her fight with madara's clones and basic susanoo. She will be forced to regenerate from deep lacerations and searing burns that will nearly vaporize her entire body (which will also leave her momentarily blind). This heavily taxing chakra use will cause her to deplete her seal.
She will then faint, because as shown before she has no knowledge of the exact time her seal will run out of chakra.
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All of her current wounds will be sustained and Kakuzu can easily finish her off.
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