EMS Sasuke Vs Itachi and Kisame

[Blaze Release]

- Itachi will come up with a plan or something along these lines. No factor to the debate.

Never said that, obvious refresh my memory

- Able to extinguish flames whose source is a different eye. No proof of the statement.

It is possible as he has shown the ability to extinguish it Fact. As i said, while this ability may be limited to his own amaterasu its also possible that it can be used on amaterasu in general. I remember sasuke saying something along the lines of this is the power of the ms

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See nothing wrong with my proposal

- Kisame being a sensor at Nagato's level, able to sense ability build up, yet Kisame couldn't sense when Bee was about to use the ink again, or his Octopus legs to snare him - a partial transformation, which means additional Chakra usage, as he was already in his cloaked form or reduced to it. Both of them require controlling and using Bijuu Chakra.

Again amaterasu prep is something that sensors have shown. Kisame being able to feel chakra when fused with samahada its highly possible that this ability added to the fact that, he has witnessed itachi using amaterasu he is sure to form a link between this pressure and his sensoring skills to get a tip off. See nothing wrong here

The only thing he could feel was where Bee was, and that's it.
- His fusion is far from being an instant technique nor is his healing.

His fusion is more or less instant. He doesn't exactly take ages to fuse nor does he take ages to heal

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one panel fusion

Healing depends on how much damage.
An open ribcage didn't take much time to heal

- He also uses the term 'feel', which implies a locational factor rather than other chakra sensing mechanisms.

Note quiet. Samahada has a lust for powerful chakra. With this alone samahada can locate jinchrucki's

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However he gain's the ability to sense other people's chakra when fused

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Regardless of what sensing it is. Whether it is below nagato's or above. The ability to feel chakra and the pressure created by amaterasu during its prep time should be enough to say kisame can sense it. If it was to hit him, amaterasu burns slow. His partner, has shown the ability to extinguish it. Its very possible for itachi to extinguish the flames early on, causing kisame little damage. Amaterasu does burn slow after all. Damage he can heal from.

The fact that you adamantly believe that Itachi even has a chance or Kisame can fuse or heal faster than Sasuke can use Amaterasu to burn through him is quite the delight to read.

Well in my retired state i like to take comedy in my spare time so it is what it is.

Never said either had a chance, both however take this. Disputing the nonsense which usually goes along the lines of tsukuyomi/totsuka blitz. Hiraishin blitz. And now amaterasu blitz, that makes up majority if not all of the discussions in the vs section.

Sasuke one shotting kisame or beating itachi in a minute is comical to say the least. It does remind me why i halt as much as possible my contribution in this section.

@Goodboy. Ill stop here

 

[Bogard]

No need to imagine when all it takes is to use common sense, comparing that confrontation back in part 1 to the sasuke fight in part 2? Their is a clear difference their.

No you're clearly not using common sense, since the real common sense tell us that Itachi can't use MS techniques with more than 30% of his chakra. It has been established since his replica with 30% of chakra fought Kakashi.

With that, it's easy to understand that Itachi is limited in the use of MS techniques(3 or 4 a day) and it has always been shown like this, reason why after every MS use, he is fatigue whether in part1 or part2

 

[AGoodBoy]

Cant even take you seriously when your spouting bull shit like this, pretty sure he used Amaterasu and tysukuyomi and a full armor sussano on his death bed but for some reason you find it logical that he will die without doing a thing just from extinguishing amaterasu?

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is itachi's vision before even using an MS move lol.
After 1 tsukuyomi, 1 amaterasu, outing an amaterasu, and sustaining a susano'o, his pupils were

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as if he

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. Not even

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were so white when his eyesight was absolute shit Lol.

Itachi's vision won't last the first minute because he's forced to fight on Sasuke's Level. Which is an MS+ Battle with susano'os and Amaterasus. :erm:

@Goodboy. Ill stop here

Alright that's fine. I just don't have much time now to find on the 2-4 hours it'd take to give you a detailed enough response.

 

[TrollingSage]

Its not, simply becuase Kishimoto is not making that. If it was, the best Genjutsu master in the series would be not Itachi, not Shisui, but some random girl from from "Kurama" clan called Yakumo. ->

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But that has nothing to do with my post at all. In simple words: Bogard said that nothing in manga proves that Itachi can extinguish Amaterasu, which I just wanted to correct. Just becuase Itachi could get rid of his own technique doesnt mean that he can easily do the same with Sasukes Amaterasu, when Sasuke has bigger chakra reserves and better skill with that technique. Please, read posts more carefully.

Wait a sec. If Itachi can't extinguish Sasuke's amaterasu, then Sasuke can't extinguish Itachi's amaterasu either.
In short, Itachi burns Sasuke with amterasu whilst Sasuke is burning Kisame with amterasu.

 

[Prince Charles]

Oh hold on bogard I want to shit on your post so bad, I find it amusing you think that Itachi is incapable of using a MS technique at 30% chakra when during the sasuke fight we can infer that his chakra reserves were already near 30% or even lower by analyzing his sussano as it gradually started to lower down back into it's lower stages and

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And honestly do you listen to yourself before you speak? Think about that scan for a moment, going by your logic Itachi cannot use MS techniques on 30% chakra correct? That can infer that each MS tech equals to about 30% worth of chakra? Then going by that logic itachi shouldnt of had been capable of using amaterasu and sussano and tysukuyomi multiple time against sasuke since your implying each MS technique equals to about 30% worth of chakra? If anything kisame meant that the usage was limited not the entire jutsu itself. Do you now understand why your a complete baboon? Saying he isnt capable of using one MS technique on 30% worth of chakra is fan fiction at it's finest

@Agoodboy

That was the result of having his MS for years leading up to that point regarding his vision being so terrible. Obviously his MS vision was perfect at one point so I see no reason of bringing that up..

 

[shelke]

@Blaze Release

- Never claimed that Itachi OR Sasuke never showed the ability to extinguish Amaterasu. I am fully aware of that. But can they both do so for each other's eyes? A possibility? Maybe, but a factor in a debate that could tilt it in your favour? No.

- Remember Nagato's clamour? Recall what happened - not suggesting that Kisame is even at that level, not even remotely. He only sensed the chakra build up for the FIRST usage and was oblivious to the second that was spawned straight on him. What does that mean? It means that Amaterasu's second build up is incredibly fast that even Nagato failed to pick it up.

- Please tell me you are not serious with that fusion remark and the one-panel logic? I hope to god you are joking. You can clearly see his body metamorphosing and morphing and it's instant in your opinion, when you can even read an entire dialogue exchange? Should I add a l-o-l here? Amaterasu managed to reduce Nagato to mere bones and leathery skin, Danzo was gone before Sasuke could blink. Once it spawns on him, he will not be able to heal fast enough regardless of his durability. And what's stopping Sasuke from reigniting it?

- Precisely, Samehada has a lust for Chakra, which means it feels or locates powerful chakra. Kisame fuses with this same sword, which means he acquires its abilities as it's a hybrid form after all. This by no means implies that it can sense chakra build up or kneading or whatever for techniques or you can conveniently add additional techniques to his so-called sensory repertoire or lack there of. I just gave you examples where Kisame never sensed anything from Bee when he was clearly using additional chakra for Octopus ink. I wonder what that implies.

- Doesn't matter what he healed. It was a far cry from instant and once reignited, he's fried. Simple. No further logic required.

- A focused Amaterasu burns slowly? Right. Jesus Almighty.

- Good for you man. You could improvise with things as it wasn't very tasteful. Totsuka and Yata require bringing out a level 4 susano'o first, and FTG requires to throw around the damn kitchen knifes first. Both have an obligatory first step. Amaterasu is the most quick technique in the entire manga, as the prep time to execute it is excruciatingly fast, regardless of the fact whether one sees it coming or not.

By and by, Whether you find it distasteful or not, Kisame is fried regardless and Itachi is simply outclassed. If he can extinguish Amaterasu, then he would lose his light further by overusing his MS, and if he has V4 Susano'o out, then he dies that much faster. It'll be hilarious to watch how he would juggle these two effortlessly, before falling face down at the third MS extinguishing feat.

It's funny that denials hinder my contributions altogether that I don't come here for weeks. It's that exhausting. Don't worry man, you are tired of biltz logic and I am appalled of flip-flopping and possibilities passed off as facts.

Good day.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

- Amaterasu is not an instant kill technique.
Nagato had time to fall to the ground, the group had a discussion for 7 whole scans and then Nagato shinra tensei'd it.

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That would of been a few minutes and you can clearly see the damage done to Nagato is only minor damage to the arm and some to the face.
That is definitely not going to insta kill Kisame, who could heal his entire exposed ribcage and then keep fighting.
If it hits Kisame, he is going to absorb it, before it does any damage that he cant just laugh of.

- Also people keep saying enton arrow this enton arrow that, if Sasuke cannot see them how is he going to hit them with it?
Itachi has knowledge on MS techniques, heck so does Kisame as he has seen Itachi use them before, so he would know that MS jutsu's major weakness is it requires eye contact or line of sight.

The simple way to obscure Sasuke line of sight is using the waves of Suiton: Bakusui Shōha, the sharingan cannot see through chakra, that is an ability of the Byakugan, and those waves are pure chakra.
Also how is Sasuke going to hit Kisame when he is using those waves to move at extreme speeds? He won't, he's never even killed a still target with enton arrow, how is he going to hit an extremely fast moving target.

Another thing with Enton arrow, it will not kill Samehada like some think, Enton arrow has been countered by chakra rods, you know those things Naruto broke with his hands and Rasengan.

If Kisame reacts in time, Samehada could absorb the chakra in the Enton arrow.
It can absorb fire chakra, it may not like absorbing it as it is hot, but it would rather do that then get killed.
Danzo a 70 year old man, had time to do handsigns and grow that tree, and you think Kisame cant move his sword a metre to block and enton arrow?

- I keep reading Sasuke dodges GSB, what people don't seem to understand is that Sasuke has NO knowledge of this technique. Why is he going to dodge it, when he can go lumberjack mode and slice it with v4 Susanoo?
The best defence is a good offence right?
However when he tries to slice it, it already to late and absorbs Susanoo.


Edit: Also might I add that just because Sasuke has used hawks doesn not mean he can now, he has a new summoning contract with Aoda, not the hawks.
You say because it wasn't restricted then he should have the move, so what since we haven't restricted it, Sasuke should be able to use his Curse mark and EMS...No GTFO
EMS Sasuke does not have Hawks.

 

[Bieber]

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- Amaterasu is not an instant kill technique.
Nagato had time to fall to the ground, the group had a discussion for 7 whole scans and then Nagato shinra tensei'd it.

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That would of been a few minutes and you can clearly see the damage done to Nagato is only minor damage to the arm and some to the face.
That is definitely not going to insta kill Kisame, who could heal his entire exposed ribcage and then keep fighting.
If it hits Kisame, he is going to absorb it, before it does any damage that he cant just laugh of.

- Also people keep saying enton arrow this enton arrow that, if Sasuke cannot see them how is he going to hit them with it?
Itachi has knowledge on MS techniques, heck so does Kisame as he has seen Itachi use them before, so he would know that MS jutsu's major weakness is it requires eye contact or line of sight.

The simple way to obscure Sasuke line of sight is using the waves of Suiton: Bakusui Shōha, the sharingan cannot see through chakra, that is an ability of the Byakugan, and those waves are pure chakra.
Also how is Sasuke going to hit Kisame when he is using those waves to move at extreme speeds? He won't, he's never even killed a still target with enton arrow, how is he going to hit an extremely fast moving target.

Another thing with Enton arrow, it will not kill Samehada like some think, Enton arrow has been countered by chakra rods, you know those things Naruto broke with his hands and Rasengan.

If Kisame reacts in time, Samehada could absorb the chakra in the Enton arrow.
It can absorb fire chakra, it may not like absorbing it as it is hot, but it would rather do that then get killed.
Danzo a 70 year old man, had time to do handsigns and grow that tree, and you think Kisame cant move his sword a metre to block and enton arrow?

- I keep reading Sasuke dodges GSB, what people don't seem to understand is that Sasuke has NO knowledge of this technique. Why is he going to dodge it, when he can go lumberjack mode and slice it with v4 Susanoo?
The best defence is a good offence right?
However when he tries to slice it, it already to late and absorbs Susanoo.


Edit: Also might I add that just because Sasuke has used hawks doesn not mean he can now, he has a new summoning contract with Aoda, not the hawks.
You say because it wasn't restricted then he should have the move, so what since we haven't restricted it, Sasuke should be able to use his Curse mark and EMS...No GTFO
EMS Sasuke does not have Hawks.

Amaterasu burns much faster when it's focused on. Samehada still

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while absorbing.

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Databook 2 - Amaterasu:

User(s): Uchiha Itachi
Rank: -
TNG: Ninjutsu (Bloodline Limit)
Range: Close
Type: Attack

Description:
"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying
conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"

The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate
fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu
unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames
are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is
the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it
continues to burn for seven days and seven nights. However, the Mangekyou
Sharingan is necessary to activate this jutsu, and for this reason there are not
many who have learned this jutsu. Therefore, the details of this jutsu are yet
unrevealed...

Picture text:
Top: The black flames that only the owner of the Mangekyou Sharingan can control
are even able to instantly break through the side of a rock toad who breathes
fire!!
Bottom: Jiraiya, who has mastered many jutsu, did not know of the existence of
Amaterasu. What he does understand is the power of the suspicious conflagration.

Samehada can't constantly keep absorbing amaterasu. If Kisame managed to react and use Samehada to absorb Sasuke's enton arrow Samehada will still take damage; Samehada does not absorb instantly. Are you forgetting that the sharingan

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to read movements? Kisame hiding behind the waves won't help him that much. Danzo had

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hand seals completed before Sasuke shot his Susanoo arrow. Chances are Sasuke will be using his V2 legged-Susanoo for most of the fight. Seeing as it is more agile, larger than his V4, and he can't be attacked from below. You just gave a

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to Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu; the shockwave doesn't have chakra in it. Itachi sealed away Sasuke's CM a long time ago. Tbh with you, the Hawk really isn't needed in this match. Still with all this amaterasu spam Kirin will be prep'd quite early in the fight and it can be used to take out Kisame. Sasuke then has to deal with Itachi who obviously gets outlasted.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

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Amaterasu burns much faster when it's focused on. Samehada still

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while absorbing.

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Samehada can't constantly keep absorbing amaterasu. If Kisame managed to react and use Samehada to absorb Sasuke's enton arrow Samehada will still take damage; Samehada does not absorb instantly. Are you forgetting that the sharingan

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to read movements? Kisame hiding behind the waves won't help him that much. Danzo had

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hand seals completed before Sasuke shot his Susanoo arrow. Chances are Sasuke will be using his V2 legged-Susanoo for most of the fight. Seeing as it is more agile, larger than his V4, and he can't be attacked from below. You just gave a

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to Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu; the shockwave doesn't have chakra in it. Itachi sealed away Sasuke's CM a long time ago. Tbh with you, the Hawk really isn't needed in this match. Still with all this amaterasu spam Kirin will be prep'd quite early in the fight and it can be used to take out Kisame. Sasuke then has to deal with Itachi who obviously gets outlasted.

You don't seem to get it that Samehada CAN absorb EVERY one of Sasuke's jutsus instantly.
Samehadas limit is Six tails worth of chakra PER strike, that chakra is then transferred to Kisame who can do what he likes with it such as Heal himself or even Samehada.
Sasuke does not have Six tails worth of chakra at his peak, so how is he going to focus that much chakra into one jutsu, when he doesn't that much chakra?
Sigh... how is it going to damage Samehada, if it absorbed as soon as it comes into contact with Samehada.
Also any damage done can be healed.

Yes still one seal and the tree had to spawn, add that on the fact that he' only ten metres away and not moving.

Proof that it burns faster when focused on and I'll believe you, however if he's focusing on Amaterasu, what is he going to do about Itachi attacking him, and the sharks attaching him from below if he is not using a legged Susanoo.

Can you read? The sharingan cannot, I repeat CANNOT, see through chakra, that is a manga fact. What you're thinking of is the Byakugan.
Now how is Sasuke going to see through waves, that have been made entirely from Kisame's chakra? He can't, so stop making up nonsense.

Susanoo sword is not stopping GSB and neither is some so called shockwave?
Can I see the scans of this v2 legged Susanoo..My internet really slow atm, looking for it would be soooooooooo slow.

 

[Bieber]

You don't seem to get it that Samehada CAN absorb EVERY one of Sasuke's jutsus instantly.
Samehadas limit is Six tails worth of chakra PER strike, that chakra is then transferred to Kisame who can do what he likes with it such as Heal himself or even Samehada.
Sasuke does not have Six tails worth of chakra at his peak, so how is he going to focus that much chakra into one jutsu, when he doesn't that much chakra?
Sigh... how is it going to damage Samehada, if it absorbed as soon as it comes into contact with Samehada.
Also any damage done can be healed.

Yes still one seal and the tree had to spawn, add that on the fact that he' only ten metres away and not moving.

Proof that it burns faster when focused on and I'll believe you, however if he's focusing on Amaterasu, what is he going to do about Itachi attacking him, and the sharks attaching him from below if he is not using a legged Susanoo.

Can you read? The sharingan cannot, I repeat CANNOT, see through chakra, that is a manga fact. What you're thinking of is the Byakugan.
Now how is Sasuke going to see through waves, that have been made entirely from Kisame's chakra? He can't, so stop making up nonsense.

Susanoo sword is not stopping GSB and neither is some so called shockwave?
Can I see the scans of this v2 legged Susanoo..My internet really slow atm, looking for it would be soooooooooo slow.

No, Samehada does not absorb instantly. If that were the case Bee's V2 cloak would have been

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on contact. Did you not click this

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? Samehada clearly felt pain after absorbing a C-Rank katon. It doesn't matter how much Samehada can absorb per strike if amaterasu/enton arrow can still damage it. Also take a look at this

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again. As you see Bee makes physical contact with Samehada and is able to break some of the scales off before his V2 cloak is absorbed. Thus Sasuke can cut Samehada in half with Susanoo sword or crush it with Susanoo's fist. There was an entire thread made on it a week ago.

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Read through some of the post which will explain it better than me. (It's 3 am) Itachi can't hurt Sasuke at all while he is Susanoo. The five sharks are easily countered with Chidori Nagashi, Susanoo sword, or Chidori Eisō. Do you not know how the sharingan works? It reads movements via muscle tension. A slash from Perfect Susanoo is able to cut mountains in half, I highly doubt that a slash from Sasuke's V2 Susanoo won't be

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Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu in half. Sasuke's

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compared to his

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.

 

[shelke]

You say because it wasn't restricted then he should have the move, so what since we haven't restricted it, Sasuke should be able to use his Curse mark and EMS...No GTFO
EMS Sasuke does not have Hawks.

Cannot summon hawks to aid himself? Proof? Oh wait, you have none. Take that GTFO debate turner point and guzzle it. And your Amaterasu logic goes completely against the manga. Seriously, just do us a favour and stop as the majority of your post is laughable.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Totsuka and Yata require bringing out a level 4 susano'o first

orly

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[shelke]

^ If you weren't chronically blind, then you would notice that Itachi's clothes have burned through, and Susano'o is forming back to its former stage. Yata Mirror cannot and should not block natural Lightening. It goes against the databook statement. But' it's YOU after all. Don't bother with a pointless retort, you don't know what you are talking about most of the time anyway.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

lol sperg some more, clown.

Yata Mirror cannot and should not block natural Lightening.

Itachi used a V2 Susanoo to block Natural Lightning. The one in the picture is a V3.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

No, Samehada does not absorb instantly. If that were the case Bee's V2 cloak would have been

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on contact. Did you not click this

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? Samehada clearly felt pain after absorbing a C-Rank katon. It doesn't matter how much Samehada can absorb per strike if amaterasu/enton arrow can still damage it. Also take a look at this

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again. As you see Bee makes physical contact with Samehada and is able to break some of the scales off before his V2 cloak is absorbed. Thus Sasuke can cut Samehada in half with Susanoo sword or crush it with Susanoo's fist. There was an entire thread made on it a week ago.

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Read through some of the post which will explain it better than me. (It's 3 am) Itachi can't hurt Sasuke at all while he is Susanoo. The five sharks are easily countered with Chidori Nagashi, Susanoo sword, or Chidori Eisō. Do you not know how the sharingan works? It reads movements via muscle tension. A slash from Perfect Susanoo is able to cut mountains in half, I highly doubt that a slash from Sasuke's V2 Susanoo won't be

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Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu in half. Sasuke's

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compared to his

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.

- Let me rephrase it how I mean it, once Sasmehada or Kisame himself decides to begin absorbing chakra, then it is instantly absorbed.
This

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you posted of Kisame and Samehada getting damaged, and not instantly absorbing the charkra, also shows another thing.

Kisame and Samehada tanked a v2 Lariat from Bee, which one could argue has far greater contact damage then an Enton arrow, as Enton arrow has been countered by three chakra rods, whereas v2 Lariat has never been countered.

As you can see on

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page, even after sustaining those injuries, they begins absorbing the v2 chakra cloak (bottom left picture). Which would be within seconds of taking the lariat.

Yet you think it will insta kill, Kisame or Samehada who can not only take that hit, but then absorb the residual chakra from the arrow i.e the flames, and then use that to heal himself. It's not happening.

- If you look at the

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, you see that it hurts Samehada, but you also see that it did infact absorb some of it. Another fact you may not know is that Kisame himself, has been shown to absorb chakra whilst not touching Samehada.

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So please stop with he can't absorb Amaterasu, because its too hot for Samehada
a) Samehada has absorbed fire
b) Kisame himself can absorb chakra
c) If Sasuke continually ignites Kisame, once Kisame has begun to absorb the chakra, adding more chakra to keep it going, is only going to sap away Sasuke's precious reserves.

That thread you posted only shows that Amaterasu is terribly inconsistent, and it shows that Amaterasu burns things that are not human pretty fast i.e toad walls, crows, or spreads very fast on summons and other non human things.

Yet when used against a person (Nagato), who took a direct hit, it took 7 whole pages for it to burn his arm and a little bit of his face.

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It also doesn't spread very fast when in contact with humans, shown when it didn't instantly consume Raikage, but he had time to cut his arm off.

That is definitely not instantly reduced to ashes.


- Madara cut a mountain, which is completely different state of matter, i.e a solid.
Sasuke cutting water is different, it is a liquid, go and try cut water in half right now and see how successful you are. It will just part for your knife and reform back to its original shape.
Plus this water he is trying to cut in half, absorbs chakra, which is what Susanoo is made from.

Yeah sharingan reads muscle tension... How is that going to help him hit targets, which are being hidden behind waves of chakra?

Also this v2 legged Susanoo, is an enhanced KCM Sasuke, so divide the size of it by 3, and thus the offensive and defensive capabilities, and arguably the mobility.

Cannot summon hawks to aid himself? Proof? Oh wait, you have none. Take that GTFO debate turner point and guzzle it. And your Amaterasu logic goes completely against the manga. Seriously, just do us a favour and stop as the majority of your post is laughable.

Right back at you, show me proof that any person besides Nagato, can have more than one contract summoning at a time.
They can't look it up...And When was the last time Sasuke used Hawks? Chapter 488 or something like that.
He does not have Hawk summons anymore, deal with it.

What Amaterasu logic? That it doesn't disintegrate a person instantly?
That is a fallacy, ask 7 pages worth of instantly vaporized Nagato about that.

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What is focusing? Adding more flames?
Any further flames added are just absorbed... Its the initial ignition that does the damage, once it begins getting absorbed, how is adding more flames going to damage him when they get absorbed and any damage done gets healed?

Maybe you should stop with the petty insults and actually bring something to the debate?

 

[Bieber]

Spoiler

- Let me rephrase it how I mean it, once Sasmehada or Kisame himself decides to begin absorbing chakra, then it is instantly absorbed.
This

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you posted of Kisame and Samehada getting damaged, and not instantly absorbing the charkra, also shows another thing.

Kisame and Samehada can tank a hit a v2 Lariat from Bee, which one could argue has far greater contact damage then an Enton arrow, as Enton arrow has been countered by three chakra rods, whereas v2 Lariat has never been countered.

As you can see on

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page, even after sustaining those injuries, he begins absorbing the chakra (bottom left picture). Which would be within seconds of taking the lariat.

Yet you think it will insta kill, Kisame or Samehada who can not only take that hit, but then absorb the residual chakra from the arrow i.e the flames, and then use that to heal himself. It's not happening.

- If you look at the

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, you see that it hurts Samehada, but you also see that it did infact absorb some of it. Another fact you may not know is that Kisame himself, has been shown to absorb chakra whilst not touching Samehada.

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So please stop with he can't absorb Amaterasu, because its too hot for Samehada
a) Samehada has absorbed fire
b) Kisame himself can absorb chakra
c) If Sasuke continually ignites Kisame, once Kisame has begun to absorb the chakra, adding more chakra to keep it going, is only going to sap away Sasuke's precious reserves.

That thread you posted only shows that Amaterasu is terribly inconsistent, and it shows that Amaterasu burns things that are not human pretty fast i.e toad walls, crows, or spreads very fast on summons and other non human things.

Yet when used against a person (Nagato), who took a direct hit, it took 7 whole pages for it to burn his arm and a little bit of his face.

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Or when it barely spread up the Raikage's arm.

That is definitely not instantly reduced to ashes.


- Madara cut a mountain, which is completely different state of matter, i.e a solid.
Sasuke cutting water is a different state of matter, it is a liquid, go and try cut water in half right now and see how successful you are. It will just part for your knife and reform back to its original shape.
Plus this water he is trying to cut in half, absorbs chakra, which is what Susanoo is made from.

Yeah sharingan reads muscle tension... How is that going to help him hit targets, which are being hidden behind waves of chakra?

Also this v2 legged Susanoo, is an enhanced KCM Sasuke, so divide the size of it by 3.

The chakra wasn't instantly absorbed. If you take a look at it again it was being pulled off. The point is Samehada can still be damaged. Never did I say Samehada can't absorb amaterasu nor did I say it's too 'hot' to absorb. Here let me repeat myself again, the more amaterasu is focused on, the faster it burns. In that scan you posted Itachi took a quick look at Nagato and then jumped off the bird; he didn't focus on amaterasu. Sasuke didn't

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when the Raikage attacked him. In the next scan he didn't have time to focus on amaterasu either, he used

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the flames to protect him from the Raikage's kick. Once again he didn't focus on amaterasu. Madara

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with the mountains at all. Sasuke could essentially recreate what Madara did just not to that scale. Sasuke's V2 would be around the

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without the cloak. With an even smaller size, Susanno will be moving a lot faster.

The Amaterasu burning process it slow when the flames are left on their own exactly like it's the case when Enton is used. It's when the user focuses on a target by using more and more chakra that the burning process increases. It's for that reason that the black flames left by Itachi's amaterasu did practically nothing other than staying on the surface of Jiraya's summon before he sealed it: It's for that reason that the amaterasu black flames did practically nothing when it was on Raikage's arm despite the fact he continued fighting Sasuke for a while.

It's for that reason that even the fodder samurai despite having being caught by the technique during a long while, came out of it with practically no injuries at all. It's for that reason that Nagato even after a long discussion between Itachi, Naruto and Bee for almost an entire chapter came out of it with only a burned arm in the end, and so on. The black flames themselves when they are left on their own burn fairly slowly, too slow to really think that a thrown kunai that would pass through the black flammes during an instant would be burned in the process when the flames have never shown such a high burning rate even minutes later after touching a target.

We've even seen fire techniques where kunais were involved either with Sasuke in part1 most likely or Itachi against Bee and it never burned kunais, exactly like Amaterasu didn't burn through the fodder Samura's armor which is made with a similar material

This post will definitely clear it up for you.

Sasuke's chakra reserves are no longer 'precious' btw.

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Hell, even before that they weren't even precious. He took on the Gokage with the MS which has immense drawbacks for the user, took on Danzo, and then fought Kakashi. Yes, I know that Zetsu did heal him while fighting Mei but, it

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. After that Ōnoki joined the fight then Tobi stepped in to save Sasuke who was shown to be

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. During his fight with Danzo he constantly was using Susanoo, summoning jutsu and he even managed to get V3 in that fight. Then after his fight with Danzo, Kakashi showed up and continued to use Susanoo to the point were he achieved V4. Still Sasuke didn't even run out of chakra, he just couldn't keep up V4 due to

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. Chakra reserves aren't a problem for Sasuke so, now you can stop bringing up that argument.

 

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The chakra wasn't instantly absorbed. If you take a look at it again it was being pulled off. The point is Samehada can still be damaged. Never did I say Samehada can't absorb amaterasu nor did I say it's too 'hot' to absorb. Here let me repeat myself again, the more amaterasu is focused on, the faster it burns. In that scan you posted Itachi took a quick look at Nagato and then jumped off the bird; he didn't focus on amaterasu. Sasuke didn't

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when the Raikage attacked him. In the next scan he didn't have time to focus on amaterasu either, he used

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the flames to protect him from the Raikage's kick. Once again he didn't focus on amaterasu. Madara

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with the mountains at all. Sasuke could essentially recreate what Madara did just not to that scale. Sasuke's V2 would be around the

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without the cloak. With an even smaller size, Susanno will be moving a lot faster.



This post will definitely clear it up for you.

Look at that scan again, if you look in the top left, can you see v2 Killer Bee in that?
No, because he is no longer in contact with Kisame or Samehada.

However he is still pulling Killer Bee's V2 cloak away from him and he is not even in contact with Bee.
If you look at the next page

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, bee has been forced back to his v1 state.

What does this mean?
That either Kisame and Samehada can steal chakra from a distance, which I might add is very bad for Sasuke,
or that in that small moment of contact, he in fact instantly absorbed the chakra, albeit with a slight delay before it reached him as they are no longer in contact.

What does this mean for Sasuke? His enton arrow may in fact hit Kisame, within the second the chakra from that Enton arrow will be absorbed.
Now he may have slight damage from that arrow, but if you look here

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, just by being in contact with Samehada will heal both of them, without handseals may I add.

Do not compare in this case a non KCM enhanced v2 Susanoo to Perfect Susanoo, they are leagues apart.
PS would kill Sasuke by stepping on him Susanoo or not.

Now if we want to talk about V2 Legged Susanoo, they have no speed feats whatsoever.. So don't act like he can speed blitz with it.
You say Sasukes is comparable to Madaras V2, look at them against the Gokage, they are extremely slow, the Gokage each took on 5 of them and won.
Yet you think Kisame can't take on one, when he can absorb that very Susanoo, nearly instantly, his Enton arrows can be tanked, Ama/Magatama get absorbed AND their Itachi is there....
NO.


Now to the focusing of Amaterasu, I have not understood where this focusing of Amaterasu has come from.
BTW the point about not being able to absorb Ama is directed at other people.

Show me scans of either Itachi or Sasuke focusing Amaterasu to make it burn hotter and therefore faster.
Focusing Amaterasu to make it spread, does not mean it is getting hotter, in actual fact it just means he is still using Amaterasu and it is igniting at this new point of eye contact.
That is not making something burn faster, and insta-killing somebody, but just creating a larger surface in which is in contact with Amaterasu.
Which helps not when they are already getting absorbed, draining Sasukes chakra.


Chakra is a problem when every single move he does forfeits chakra to his enemy, who then uses that to heal any damage done to him.
Also what is stopping Kisame giving Itachi chakra when he needs it.
This is going to be a prolonged battle, and Sasuke has never fought a battle like this, especially without help.

 

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Look at that scan again, if you look in the top left, can you see v2 Killer Bee in that?
No, because he is no longer in contact with Kisame or Samehada.

However he is still pulling Killer Bee's V2 cloak away from him and he is not even in contact with Bee.
If you look at the next page

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, bee has been forced back to his v1 state.

What does this mean?
That either Kisame and Samehada can steal chakra from a distance, which I might add is very bad for Sasuke,
or that in that small moment of contact, he in fact instantly absorbed the chakra, albeit with a slight delay before it reached him as they are no longer in contact.

What does this mean for Sasuke? His enton arrow may in fact hit Kisame, within the second the chakra from that Enton arrow will be absorbed.
Now he may have slight damage from that arrow, but if you look here

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, just by being in contact with Samehada will heal both of them, without handseals may I add.

Do not compare in this case a non KCM enhanced v2 Susanoo to Perfect Susanoo, they are leagues apart.
PS would kill Sasuke by stepping on him Susanoo or not.

Now if we want to talk about V2 Legged Susanoo, they have no speed feats whatsoever.. So don't act like he can speed blitz with it.
You say Sasukes is comparable to Madaras V2, look at them against the Gokage, they are extremely slow, the Gokage each took on 5 of them and won.
Yet you think Kisame can't take on one, when he can absorb that very Susanoo, nearly instantly, his Enton arrows can be tanked, Ama/Magatama get absorbed AND their Itachi is there....
NO.


Now to the focusing of Amaterasu, I have not understood where this focusing of Amaterasu has come from.
BTW the point about not being able to absorb Ama is directed at other people.

Show me scans of either Itachi or Sasuke focusing Amaterasu to make it burn hotter and therefore faster.
Focusing Amaterasu to make it spread, does not mean it is getting hotter, in actual fact it just means he is still using Amaterasu and it is igniting at this new point of eye contact.
That is not making something burn faster, and insta-killing somebody, but just creating a larger surface in which is in contact with Amaterasu.
Which helps not when they are already getting absorbed, draining Sasukes chakra.


Chakra is a problem when every single move he does forfeits chakra to his enemy, who then uses that to heal any damage done to him.
Also what is stopping Kisame giving Itachi chakra when he needs it.
This is going to be a prolonged battle, and Sasuke has never fought a battle like this, especially without help.

Samehada can only absorb what it is touching and that's what it did to V2. Take a look at this

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, in the top left panel you can clearly see Samehada pulling the V2 cloak off. Samehada only has a

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when it is in contact with something. Slight damage? That's laughable. He will have a hole in his chest, burn marks outside and inside his body. But Sasuke still can recreate that just not to that scale like I said. I didn't act as if he can blitz with it? With a reduce in size Susanoo will be able to move quicker and added legs make it more agile. Firstly, Ōnoki was using his Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu on his five and Ay's five. Secondly, they all didn't beat 5; Ōnoki took out around 20. Thirdly, it was 5 against 1 and the clones were positioned in a circle. I didn't say Kisame can't even take on one? I'm saying that Sasuke will used his V2-legged because it is more agile. Sasuke has other ways of taking Kisame out, such as Kirin, which will be prep'd very early in the fight. How about when Itachi and Kisame fled from Jiraiya? Itachi burned through the

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) and a wall completely within seconods. When amaterasu burns quicker the chakra is focused at one point. Scan of Kisame giving someone else chakra? Not even Bee was given chakra by Samehada so, I highly doubt that Samehada will give Itachi chakra. The battle isn't going to be prolonged, like I have stated 2-3 times and many others in this thread; Kisame dies to Kirin which will be prep'd early in the fight due to amaterasu spam. That is the one jutsu in Sasuke's aresenal that Kisame can not tank, absorb, or evade.

 

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Samehada can only absorb what it is touching and that's what it did to V2. Take a look at this

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, in the top left panel you can clearly see Samehada pulling the V2 cloak off. Samehada only has a

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when it is in contact with something. Slight damage? That's laughable. He will have a hole in his chest, burn marks outside and inside his body. But Sasuke still can recreate that just not to that scale like I said. I didn't act as if he can blitz with it? With a reduce in size Susanoo will be able to move quicker and added legs make it more agile. Firstly, Ōnoki was using his Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu on his five and Ay's five. Secondly, they all didn't beat 5; Ōnoki took out around 20. Thirdly, it was 5 against 1 and the clones were positioned in a circle. I didn't say Kisame can't even take on one? I'm saying that Sasuke will used his V2-legged because it is more agile. Sasuke has other ways of taking Kisame out, such as Kirin, which will be prep'd very early in the fight. How about when Itachi and Kisame fled from Jiraiya? Itachi burned through the

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) and a wall completely within seconods. When amaterasu burns quicker the chakra is focused at one point. Scan of Kisame giving someone else chakra? Not even Bee was given chakra by Samehada so, I highly doubt that Samehada will give Itachi chakra. The battle isn't going to be prolonged, like I have stated 2-3 times and many others in this thread; Kisame dies to Kirin which will be prep'd early in the fight due to amaterasu spam. That is the one jutsu in Sasuke's aresenal that Kisame can not tank, absorb, or evade.

Yes I am looking at it, and it shows this..
First Panel - Killer Bee hitting Kisame and Samehada with a V2 Lariat.
Second Panel - Kisame and Samehada flying backwards after being hit by V2 Lariat. Bee is not touching either Kisame or Samehada.
Third panel - V2 being drawn/absorbed by Kisame and Samehada, who would be roughly ten metres away, going by the next scan

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This shows that all of that chakra was forfeit at that small moment of contact, however because a V2 Lariat is extremely fast, Raiton Shuunsin level at least, the chakra had to follow Kisame.

And like I have said a few times now is that Enton arrow has been countered by chakra rods,

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Samehada took a hit from V2 Lariat, far greater contact damage anything Enton arrow has shown, yet all that happened was a few broken scales.
If chakra rods can counter Enton arrows, so can Samehada.

Whats laughable is that you think Enton arrow can kill him one shot.
As you can see here he has a hole in chest, and within two panels he has completely healed himself.

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That is similar damage to what an Enton arrow would cause.

Also what about this...

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Did you see his head get cut off? Did you realise that didn't kill him?
On the very next page he is talking about how that was done with lightning precision/part of the plan.


Show me proof that Sasuke can do that exact same thing with his Susanoo, even it is much smaller.
There is none.
Also the fact that the Kage could even survive against those V2 Susanoo, shows that they are not as great as you make them out to be.
Those Susanoo are exactly the same as Sasuke's, if not stronger due to them being Madara's.
Show me any speed feats they have done, the best they can do is walk, so this mobility you speak of means next to nothing.
Show me how that damages Kisame or even hits him when he is using the waves of his Bakusui Shōha, which makes him extremely fast.


Like I have said multiple times show me proof of either Itachi or Sasuke focusing their Amaterasu, causing it burn faster, not spread. As those are completely different things.
Also like I have said, this fast burning Amaterasu has never actually occurred on anything that is human, whereas it has only ever happened on summons (The crow, Toad walls, Pains dog)

Yes, Kirin is the one and only jutsu that Kisame cannot stop, but should I remind you that this is not a solo fight and up to this point Itachi has done barely anything.
Itachi can protect Kisame with his Susanoo, its saved Itachi once, it will do it again.

Now I'll return to this what can Sasuke do about Dai Bakusui Shōha....
He will not hit Kisame with Amaterasu, Magatama or Enton arrow, whilst he is underwater.
Water will slow down any projectile thrown at the now fused Kisamehada, add on the speed boost from fusing, plus the absorb rate of Kisamehada, and not one of the jutsu he uses, is going to hit, let alone damage Kisame.
Any jutsu Sasuke uses is avoided, whilst he has to defend from thousands of sharks, try to escape, and avoid Kisamehada himself.
Tell me how he gets out of that? Also how can he stop a GSB, if their underwater.

Most of what I have said is how Kisame counters Sasuke, without even adding in Itachi's battle prowess.
The only jutsu Kisame can't counter is Kirin, and Itachi has Susanoo to block from that.
Do you seriously still believe Sasuke takes this fight?

 

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