Infinite Tskyuomi and Tskyuomi are not the same.

[Trollasaur]

Correct. Mugen Tsukuyomi and Tsukuyomi are not synonymous.. Madara/Obito would utilize the Jūbi to use Mugen Tsukuyomi. They wouldn't use their own power for such a feat. Had Obito had Tsukuyomi, he would have showcased the dōjutsu.. He hasn't in canon.

Falsity.

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. No Mangekyō Sharingan has shown the ability to cast two dōjutsu other than Susano'o but Susano'o is casted with the simultaneous use of both Mangekyō so even then, not an accurate comparison.

Argumentation
What would Shee know? He's just the Raikage's Bodyguard.
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Masashi is spectacular.. He shan't include information for no reason. It must be true if he claims it and it's a realistic claim as well. Shee is the Raikage's Bodyguard; this means he would be revealed to quite a lot of information that is supposed to be known by, solely the Raikage. In addition to such, Shee claims to know quite a lot about Itachi pointing toward him being intellectual or a possible confrontation between the two. Either way, Shee knows that he is talking about.
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Misconception.
Tsukuyomi possesses a specific kanji.. "月読". However, the panel that you claim to be evidence of Sasuke using Tsukuyomi

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suggesting a different technique all together.

Argumentation
Danzō claimed that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi and compared them too!
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".. Had it been Tsukuyomi he would have stated it was Tsukuyomi.

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which Danzō, presumably assumed were the pinnacle of both in regards to genjutsu prowess.

He simply stated that Sasuke's Genjutsu was a far-cry from Itachi's Genjutsu [Tsukuyomi].. Never did he say that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi.​

I shall be awaiting a reply.
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Damn maine, you killed it.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Correct. Mugen Tsukuyomi and Tsukuyomi are not synonymous.. Madara/Obito would utilize the Jūbi to use Mugen Tsukuyomi. They wouldn't use their own power for such a feat. Had Obito had Tsukuyomi, he would have showcased the dōjutsu.. He hasn't in canon.

Falsity.

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. No Mangekyō Sharingan has shown the ability to cast two dōjutsu other than Susano'o but Susano'o is casted with the simultaneous use of both Mangekyō so even then, not an accurate comparison.

Argumentation
What would Shee know? He's just the Raikage's Bodyguard.
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Masashi is spectacular.. He shan't include information for no reason. It must be true if he claims it and it's a realistic claim as well. Shee is the Raikage's Bodyguard; this means he would be revealed to quite a lot of information that is supposed to be known by, solely the Raikage. In addition to such, Shee claims to know quite a lot about Itachi pointing toward him being intellectual or a possible confrontation between the two. Either way, Shee knows that he is talking about.
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Misconception.
Tsukuyomi possesses a specific kanji.. "月読". However, the panel that you claim to be evidence of Sasuke using Tsukuyomi

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suggesting a different technique all together.

Argumentation
Danzō claimed that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi and compared them too!
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Shimura "

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".. Had it been Tsukuyomi he would have stated it was Tsukuyomi.

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which Danzō, presumably assumed were the pinnacle of both in regards to genjutsu prowess.

He simply stated that Sasuke's Genjutsu was a far-cry from Itachi's Genjutsu [Tsukuyomi].. Never did he say that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi.​

I shall be awaiting a reply.
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Im sorry Troll, how did he kill it? Its a bunch of spectulation. Why would Danzo compare a normal genjutsu to Tsukiyomi, at that point Danzo was a expert in info regarding the Sharingan, no, he was definitely comparing sasukes Tsukiyomi to Itachis, it only makes sense. I f you were awaiting a long winded reply sorry, I see no pint, it's obvious he was talking about Tsuki.

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Why would he say "Itachi's Tsukiyomi" As if he was referring to Sasukes Tsukiyomi in comparison? You people are to technical, Kishi shouldnt have to spell everything out for you. Sasuke isn't the intricate nor noetic type like Itachi, he is simply analytical, he'd rather rely on blunt physical attacks rather then intangiable techniques. I think this is a reflection on the diffrence in their character. Kishis wanted them to be diffrent from one another, and this is how he went about doing it.

Itachi=Genjutsu expert

Sasuke= Katon expert(amat./blaze release etc etc)​

 

[Trollasaur]

Im sorry Troll, how did he kill it? Its a bunch of spectulation. Why would Danzo compare a normal genjutsu to Tsukiyomi, at that point Danzo was a expert in info regarding the Sharingan, no, he was definitely comparing sasukes Tsukiyomi to Itachis, it only makes sense. I f you were awaiting a long winded reply sorry, I see no pint, it's obvious he was talking about Tsuki.

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Why would he say "Itachi's Tsukiyomi" As if he was referring to Sasukes Tsukiyomi in comparison? You people are to technical, Kishi shouldnt have to spell everything out for you. Sasuke isn't the intricate nor noetic type like Itachi, he is simply analytical, he'd rather rely on blunt physical attacks rather then intangiable techniques. I think this is a reflection on the diffrence in their character. Kishis wanted them to be diffrent from one another, and this is how he went about doing it.

Itachi=Genjutsu expert

Sasuke= Katon expert(amat./blaze release etc etc)​

Oh sheit.

Someone got turnt up.

 

[Nous]

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Im sorry Troll, how did he kill it? Its a bunch of spectulation. Why would Danzo compare a normal genjutsu to Tsukiyomi, at that point Danzo was a expert in info regarding the Sharingan, no, he was definitely comparing sasukes Tsukiyomi to Itachis, it only makes sense. I f you were awaiting a long winded reply sorry, I see no pint, it's obvious he was talking about Tsuki.

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Why would he say "Itachi's Tsukiyomi" As if he was referring to Sasukes Tsukiyomi in comparison? You people are to technical, Kishi shouldnt have to spell everything out for you. Sasuke isn't the intricate nor noetic type like Itachi, he is simply analytical, he'd rather rely on blunt physical attacks rather then intangiable techniques. I think this is a reflection on the diffrence in their character. Kishis wanted them to be diffrent from one another, and this is how he went about doing it.

Itachi=Genjutsu expert

Sasuke= Katon expert(amat./blaze release etc etc)​

Speculation? Care explaining how the kanji difference is simply speculation? Care to explain why a Viz-translation clearly stated that Enton Kagutsuchi is the ability of the right eye and Amaterasu is the ability of the left eye. In addition to such

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Odd how such a short-distance genjutsu like Tsukuyomi could reach as far as it did from a person who supposedly has it and lacks mastery over it.

How did a Non-Uchiha break out of it? Don't say "because Sasuke hasn't mastered it".. One of the "criteria" of Tsukuyomi is, is that only a Non-Uchiha can break it [alone]. Danzō and Tobi are comparing, what they believe is the pinnacle of genjutsu by the two brothers to one another. Sharingan: Genjutsu [the one Sasuke used on Danzō] is what Tobi/Danzō believe is Sasuke's "best" genjutsu and they compare it to Itachi's Tsukuyomi which is Itachi's best. It wasn't a "Normal Genjutsu".. It was, believe by Danzō, to be Sasuke's best. Why would Danzō say "Illusion" when commenting about Sasuke's Genjutsu in particular? It wasn't a random genjutsu either, it was a Sharingan-based one. Comparing one dōjutsu to another isn't absurd.

Genjutsu = Illusion Technique.. Had Danzō meant Tsukuyomi, he would have directly stated it. All Danzō did was compare it to Tsukuyomi. If I compare a Toyota to a Mercedes-Benz, does that now make the Toyota a Mercedes? Yes they're both cars but a Toyota is a Mercedes. Yes they're both genjutsu, but Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi. Why? Because he doesn't have it.

I'm being too "technical"? Well.. if using what the manga says: Enton Kagutsuchi is the Right Eye, Amaterasu is the Left Eye and Sasuke has yet to show Tsukuyomi is being too "technical", so be it. Do you think that one of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is capable of performing Enton Kagustsuchi/Amaterasu as well as Tsukuyomi? That is the only possible argument that you can pose and I can easily cover that as well..

I believe Trollasaur said I "killed it" because I covered all arguments that you can pose.. Evident by the fact that you only countered one and that was unsuccessful as well. The latter part is completely irrelevant to any of this. Also, Itachi is a master of Ninjutsu as Sasuke is one of genjutsu so I don't see your argument if it is one, there either. I still await a complete rebuttal that counters all my points.​

 

[Touken]

Infinite Tsukiyomi is used by the Juubi itself.

Madara/Sasuke/Obito don't have Tsukiyomi.

Why would the Juubi use Mugen Tsukyomi?

I thought it was apparent that Madara intended to use his eyes to cast the jutsu.

 

[Naijakid]

I think I understand with what you're trying to say BTW I agree

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Ok what ever i am already tired of this debate. You win=D. I dont believe for a second Sasuke doesnt possess it, but what ever, no hard fellings, although I stand by what i said

 

[Nous]

Ok what ever i am already tired of this debate. You win=D. I dont believe for a second Sasuke doesnt possess it, but what ever, no hard fellings, although I stand by what i said

I still retain my belief, you retain yours. We can remain that way.. Just an opinion. We can't be sure which one of us is true but I shall retain my belief. Stay Safe~
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[Guy Fawkes]

I still retain my belief, you retain yours. We can remain that way.. Just an opinion. We can't be sure which one of us is true but I shall retain my belief. Stay Safe~
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Agreed, and be great.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Speculation? Care explaining how the kanji difference is simply speculation? Care to explain why a Viz-translation clearly stated that Enton Kagutsuchi is the ability of the right eye and Amaterasu is the ability of the left eye. In addition to such

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Odd how such a short-distance genjutsu like Tsukuyomi could reach as far as it did from a person who supposedly has it and lacks mastery over it.

How did a Non-Uchiha break out of it? Don't say "because Sasuke hasn't mastered it".. One of the "criteria" of Tsukuyomi is, is that only a Non-Uchiha can break it [alone]. Danzō and Tobi are comparing, what they believe is the pinnacle of genjutsu by the two brothers to one another. Sharingan: Genjutsu [the one Sasuke used on Danzō] is what Tobi/Danzō believe is Sasuke's "best" genjutsu and they compare it to Itachi's Tsukuyomi which is Itachi's best. It wasn't a "Normal Genjutsu".. It was, believe by Danzō, to be Sasuke's best. Why would Danzō say "Illusion" when commenting about Sasuke's Genjutsu in particular? It wasn't a random genjutsu either, it was a Sharingan-based one. Comparing one dōjutsu to another isn't absurd.

Genjutsu = Illusion Technique.. Had Danzō meant Tsukuyomi, he would have directly stated it. All Danzō did was compare it to Tsukuyomi. If I compare a Toyota to a Mercedes-Benz, does that now make the Toyota a Mercedes? Yes they're both cars but a Toyota is a Mercedes. Yes they're both genjutsu, but Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi. Why? Because he doesn't have it.

I'm being too "technical"? Well.. if using what the manga says: Enton Kagutsuchi is the Right Eye, Amaterasu is the Left Eye and Sasuke has yet to show Tsukuyomi is being too "technical", so be it. Do you think that one of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is capable of performing Enton Kagustsuchi/Amaterasu as well as Tsukuyomi? That is the only possible argument that you can pose and I can easily cover that as well..

I believe Trollasaur said I "killed it" because I covered all arguments that you can pose.. Evident by the fact that you only countered one and that was unsuccessful as well. The latter part is completely irrelevant to any of this. Also, Itachi is a master of Ninjutsu as Sasuke is one of genjutsu so I don't see your argument if it is one, there either. I still await a complete rebuttal that counters all my points.​

Actually Sasuke creates the Amaterasu for Enton: Kagutsuchi with his left eye then he simultaneously controls it with his right eye, That was also stated in the manga.
On top of that yes Sasuke truely does have Tsukuyomi he is just crappy at it and this whole "how did a Non-Uchiha break out of it" stuff you want to talk about, You forget Danzo had both Uchiha DNA (multiple sharingans on his arm+ Shisuis sharingan in his eye) and Senju DNA (Hashirama's cells, same arm he has the sharingans on) So yeah it is highly probably that he could have just fodderized Tsukuyomi.

OT: Infinite Tsukuyomi and Tsukuyomi are two different things

 

[Zebstrika]

Tsukuyomi is the name given a to a powerful genjutsu where the user can completely control space, time, and all material. In the Tsukuyomi realm you essentially become god.

Sasuke cannot use Tsukuyomi properly, however he still has a Sharingan genjutsu which is fundamentally similar to Tsukuyomi. This is also the case with Madara and Obito. Using the Juubi's power, they can enhance their sharingan's ability and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi using the moon.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Actually anyone with mangekyou sharingan can break tsukuyomi(or at least skilled enough in sharingan)

 

[H a n]

Umm.. Yeah I knew this.

 

[Nous]

Spoiler

Actually Sasuke creates the Amaterasu for Enton: Kagutsuchi with his left eye then he simultaneously controls it with his right eye, That was also stated in the manga.
On top of that yes Sasuke truely does have Tsukuyomi he is just crappy at it and this whole "how did a Non-Uchiha break out of it" stuff you want to talk about, You forget Danzo had both Uchiha DNA (multiple sharingans on his arm+ Shisuis sharingan in his eye) and Senju DNA (Hashirama's cells, same arm he has the sharingans on) So yeah it is highly probably that he could have just fodderized Tsukuyomi.

OT: Infinite Tsukuyomi and Tsukuyomi are two different things

Left is Amaterasu; Right is Enton Kagutsuchi [

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]. Sasuke has shown the ability to manipulate already casted Enton Flames.. Sasuke doesn't need to continuously cast the flames to control it. He can control preexisting ones as well. They can be used simultaneously but it isn't mandatory.

No Mangekyō Sharingan has the ability to cast two abilities from it alone [Susano'o is casted with the use of both Mangekyō], implying it is impossible. Obito can't use Kakashi's Kamui with his Sharingan and so on. Why would Sasuke be any different?

Show me a single panel that Sasuke has used Tsukuyomi in? This one, right? [

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] No, that wasn't Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi's Kanji is 月読. Sasuke clearly used a different technique.. might I suggest a basic Sharingan-based Genjutsu?

Oh yes, Danzō possesses the Sharingan so he could break out of Tsukuyomi.. Silly me, how could I forget?! Well.. Tell Kakashi that! He obviously broke Itachi's Tsukuyomi with his Sharingan right? So how did Danzō break out? Simple - Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi. Why didn't he use it? Simple - He doesn't have it. And, what in the world does Hashirama DNA have to do with this? I would advise you to look at my initial argumentation before countering a counter. Peace- ​