EMS Sasuke Vs Itachi and Kisame

[Prince Charles]

Never mind someone Edo tensie'd blaze...

R.I.P AgoodBoy

 

[shelke]

Sasuke takes this mid-difference. Most points have already been posted by Agoodboy. Might add something if I am in the mood. Even implying that Itachi is a threat is laughable.

You talk far too much, but say so little.
None of what you have said is convincing of a sasuke win.

And yet, conveniently, most of your points poorly hinge on the over-usage of the term possibility. Quite ironic. And Kisame is a sensor based on his visual interpretation of octopus Ink and Chakra detection on basis of where the opponent is? Right-O!

 

[Blaze Release]

Sasuke takes this mid-difference. Most points have already been posted by Agoodboy. Might add something if I am in the mood. Even implying that Itachi is a threat is laughable.

And yet, conveniently, most of your points poorly hinge on the over-usage of the term possibility. Quite ironic. And Kisame is a sensor based on his visual interpretation of octopus Ink and Chakra detection on basis of where the opponent is? Right-O!

If most of your points is what has been established through Agoodboy posts like you claim, then those points are flimsy to say the least. Though id take it, because its vs thread related we are all throwing posts about rather than forming a structure to our posts. Not that a structure will help those points you claim Agoodboy has made.

EDIT: Perhaps its just me, but one shotting kisame or beating itachi in one minute might sound viable to you. To me however, sounds rather foolish

 

[Fodder#4]

Sasuke will eventually win this.

 

[shelke]

If most of your points is what has been established through Agoodboy posts like you claim, then those points are flimsy to say the least. Though id take it, because its vs thread related we are all throwing posts about rather than forming a structure to our posts. Not that a structure will help those points you claim Agoodboy has made.

EDIT: Perhaps its just me, but one shotting kisame or beating itachi in one minute might sound viable to you. To me however, sounds rather foolish

Obviously, and claiming that Itachi has some illusionist tricks inside his magician's hat outside the available manga showcase and hearsay logic on Kisame clearly isn't lunacy.

 

[Turson]

Btw this is alive itachi so he has his sickness.

I will keep this short and sweet: I dont see any other scenario happening than Sasuke winning this.

 

[Blaze Release]

Obviously, and claiming that Itachi has some illusionist tricks inside his magician's hat outside the available manga showcase and hearsay logic on Kisame clearly isn't lunacy.

Illusionist tricks?.

If you mean having the ability to extinguish amaterasu therefore being able to limit sasuke's aswell. Or Kisame being able to sense chakra being hearsay then i should halt this

 

[Bogard]

Illusionist tricks?.

If you mean having the ability to extinguish amaterasu therefore being able to limit sasuke's aswell. Or Kisame being able to sense chakra being hearsay then i should halt this

Except for the fact Sasuke is far above Itachi in terms of Amaterasu control and far above him in chakra/stamina as well as having no drawbacks for his techniques. Itachi spending his time in trying to extinguish the flames of Amaterasu with his Mangekyou would end up dying without doing a thing. Imagine him in the current battle for example in Sasuke's place. Where does it say Itachi can extinguish the flame anyway?

 

[Unorthodox]

Illusionist tricks?.

If you mean having the ability to extinguish amaterasu therefore being able to limit sasuke's aswell. Or Kisame being able to sense chakra being hearsay then i should halt this

Him trying to extinguish amaterasu would put him out much quicker espesically since sasuke can use enton on such a large scale Kisame isnt even Absorbing Amaterasu Due to its heat WSB is easily dodge on feet as madara susanoo without legs was the size of hirudora mouth while sasuke v4 susanoo with legs is much bigger and can dodge handily Aoda could kill him in water dome as well Itachi useless here once sasuke puts up Susanoo Fact.

 

[Turson]

Except for the fact Sasuke is far above Itachi in terms of Amaterasu control and far above him in chakra/stamina as well as having no drawbacks for his techniques. Itachi spending his time in trying to extinguish the flames of Amaterasu with his Mangekyou would end up dying without doing a thing. Imagine him in the current battle for example in Sasuke's place. Where does it say Itachi can extinguish the flame anyway?

lol, shelke must be shocked that you are indirectly supporting him in a debate. However, as for the balded part. ->

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Amaterasu wouldnt disappear just like that.

 

[Bogard]

lol, shelke must be shocked that you are indirectly supporting him in a debate. However, as for the balded part. ->

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Amaterasu wouldnt disappear just like that.

Lol i'm supporting no one. Thanks for the link btw. Curious that i never thought about it :/

 

[shelke]

Illusionist tricks?.

If you mean having the ability to extinguish amaterasu therefore being able to limit sasuke's aswell. Or Kisame being able to sense chakra being hearsay then i should halt this

- Itachi will come up with a plan or something along these lines. No factor to the debate.
- Able to extinguish flames whose source is a different eye. No proof of the statement.
- Kisame being a sensor at Nagato's level, able to sense ability build up, yet Kisame couldn't sense when Bee was about to use the ink again, or his Octopus legs to snare him - a partial transformation, which means additional Chakra usage, as he was already in his cloaked form or reduced to it. Both of them require controlling and using Bijuu Chakra. The only thing he could feel was where Bee was, and that's it.
- His fusion is far from being an instant technique nor is his healing.
- He also uses the term 'feel', which implies a locational factor rather than other chakra sensing mechanisms.

The fact that you adamantly believe that Itachi even has a chance or Kisame can fuse or heal faster than Sasuke can use Amaterasu to burn through him is quite the delight to read.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Damn, distractions everywhere, still haven't completed this thread yet, smh.
Sasuke fans already know i got love for them and he is my fav character. Due to this i allow them to roam the forum trolling and what not, but in the end ill be forced to run through their fanbase. Hope my boy macho you reading this.

These fans are making me feel like Tobirama right about now

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Anyway nice post. You made a mistake from the start.
You confused one of amaterasu's side effects with its preparation. The side effect of amaterasu is a bleeding eye. The prep time is building chakra in the eye. Ems sasuke doesn't suffer the side effect, however he still shows prep time of amaterasu. This scan puts it simple actually

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Itachi with his experience of said jutsu should note this prep and anticipate it. Likewise kisame, should also note this prep time as itachi his partner has demonstrated this technique and kisame has enough knowledge on tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

Just like how Obito managed to sense it regardless of sasuke's bleeding eye. Kisame fused should be able to do the same. You are right though, me stating kisame being itachi means nothing, when it comes to susanoo or susanoo arrows. But kisame is itachi's partner and much like how kisame knows of itachi's jutsu's, itachi also knows of kisame's jutsu and attributeS. Example in part 1 in konoha he told him his techniques are too large skill so he should tone it down. When he met bee, he noted samahada and its ability to absorb chakra and kisame has shown this ability already when he absorbed naruto's chakra in part 1. Itachi knowing of kisame's strength's and itachi's indepth knowledge of ms technique's should grant them the possibility of feeding off each other with itachi adding to kisame's knowledge on the ms techniques and its strengths and weaknesses, susano included. They also seem to have a form of partnership/team chemistry and actually compliment each other. Again in part 1, itachi acting as the dominant force between the duo. Itachi being the brain and kisame being the brawn.

As for susano arrows, yes its fast but you use danzo and kakashi to reiterate this. Firstly danzo is an old man, im not going to waste too much time with him. Kakashi has greater reaction time to base kisame. However kisame when fused with samahada should have a greater reaction time due to his sensing and increase in skill. Secondly what do you mean by kisame isn't healing from a heart puncture almost as if you are certain. Kisame has had his chest ripped open and didn't die instantly, but rather got healed. See no reason why this cannot happen regardless of the injury. ALso possible that as a duel itachi will protect them with susano if needed.

Its a team fight, no such thing as itachi will lose this fight in the first minute. Seriously Sasuke fans needs a good stomping. Anyway itachi fights using deception. Since genjutsu is redundant, bunshins of either form or his kuchiyose.

Ill also say this. The karasu bunshin or kage bunshin have shown the ability to use the originals techniques and i suppose ms techniques, madara did show this using mokuton. We also know that any physical wound inflicted on a clone doesn't get transferred to the original.

The whole reason for that post is that its possible that, itachi can negate the side effects of the ms by using a clone. So perhaps by pouring enough chakra into a kage bunshin which will allow the clone to use ms techniques he negates the side effects on himself. You might say pouring all his chakra into his kage bunshin in counterproductive because of his reserves. However as a team effort kisame using samahada can restore his chakra for him.

As for poppy's post on samahada, ill post accordingly.
1. Its true

2. True samahada can sustain physical damage. As for chakra based so far its only been katon. Raiton has been absorbed already by samahada without any effect. But with kisame on your team he doesn't need samahada to counter a katon based attack. His suiton alone will overpower madara's. Sasuke's katon is nothing

3. Yes and no. Its true samahada has to come in contact with somebody to absorb chakra. However samahada can absorb chakra that isn't manifested on the outside and it has done

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4. Isn't true. Yes i get what he is saying. But firstly Kisame my himself can absorb chakra

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Not saying it rivals gakido. Secondly Samahada has absorbed or should i say tried to absorb something much bigger though not rivaling the dama in size

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More importantly. Poppy's point was directed towards base kisame holding samahada and not a kisame fused with samahada, who in this case that point doesn't apply to

Blaze I'll do you a favor and give you a proper response tomorrow or monday. I mistook you for someone else, but now I've realised who you actually are and noticed I've never debated against you.

Never mind someone Edo tensie'd blaze...

R.I.P AgoodBoy

Lmfao. Don't know why you keep telling me RIP When i haven't even put any effort into this thread yet lol. I'll go practice my jutsu skills and come back to lose with dignity. Mark my words!

 

[Unorthodox]

lol, shelke must be shocked that you are indirectly supporting him in a debate. However, as for the balded part. ->

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Amaterasu wouldnt disappear just like that.

Manga makes everything looks simpler in the anime the amaterasu didnt extinguish that fast also its put strain on itachi he is 0 in this match if you ask me also sasuke susanoo is to big to be absorbed all at once he couldnt even take bee full cloak

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Look at all those tails he got left susanoo arrow spamm stomps

 

[Turson]

Manga makes everything looks simpler in the anime the amaterasu didnt extinguish that fast also its put strain on itachi he is 0 in this match if you ask me

Manga is canon, anime is not. But then then again, Im not saying that Itachi would be able to easily get rid of Amaterasu, considering that Sasuke has greater chakra reserves and better control of that technique. I just wanted to point out that Itachi is able to to extinguish black flames. Keep in mind, that was my first post in this thread:

I will keep this short and sweet: I dont see any other scenario happening than Sasuke winning this.

 

[Unorthodox]

Manga is canon, anime is not. But then then again, Im not saying that Itachi would be able to easily get rid of Amaterasu, considering that Sasuke has greater chakra reserves and better control of that technique. I just wanted to point out that Itachi is able to to extinguish black flames. Keep in mind, that was my first post in this thread:

Anime is also cannon i really dont see how itachi is a factor for a v4 susanoo that can walk but your opinion is your opinion no matter how dumb it may be

 

[Prince Charles]

Except for the fact Sasuke is far above Itachi in terms of Amaterasu control and far above him in chakra/stamina as well as having no drawbacks for his techniques. Itachi spending his time in trying to extinguish the flames of Amaterasu with his Mangekyou would end up dying without doing a thing. Imagine him in the current battle for example in Sasuke's place. Where does it say Itachi can extinguish the flame anyway?

Cant even take you seriously when your spouting bull shit like this, pretty sure he used Amaterasu and tysukuyomi and a full armor sussano on his death bed but for some reason you find it logical that he will die without doing a thing just from extinguishing amaterasu?

 

[Turson]

Anime is also cannon

Its not, simply becuase Kishimoto is not making that. If it was, the best Genjutsu master in the series would be not Itachi, not Shisui, but some random girl from from "Kurama" clan called Yakumo. ->

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But that has nothing to do with my post at all. In simple words: Bogard said that nothing in manga proves that Itachi can extinguish Amaterasu, which I just wanted to correct. Just becuase Itachi could get rid of his own technique doesnt mean that he can easily do the same with Sasukes Amaterasu, when Sasuke has bigger chakra reserves and better skill with that technique. Please, read posts more carefully.

 

[Bogard]

Cant even take you seriously when your spouting bull shit like this, pretty sure he used Amaterasu and tysukuyomi and a full armor sussano on his death bed but for some reason you find it logical that he will die without doing a thing just from extinguishing amaterasu?

Itachi has always been portrayed like this in the manga(from part1 to his last fight). I'm not gonna try to imagine a fictional Itachi that never existed

 

[Prince Charles]

Itachi has always been portrayed like this in the manga(from part1 to his last fight). I'm not gonna try to imagine a fictional Itachi that never existed

No need to imagine when all it takes is to use common sense, comparing that confrontation back in part 1 to the sasuke fight in part 2? Their is a clear difference their.