So are Amateratsu and Tskyuomi requried for Susano'o?

[Trollasaur]

What a cop out.

You know full well that you have no proof of him saying he does not posses it.
I have the manga as my proof that both techniques are needed for Susano'o to be used.

Theres much more evidence that they are not needed for susano'o

and if you think that infinte tskyuomi and tskyuomi are the same and that the genjutsu that Madara used on Obito is tskyuomi you're wrong
1.Not his orginal eye
2.No where does it even indicate it's tskyuomi
3.Obito was planning on doing the moons eye plan without madara, are you telling me Obito has tskyuomi?

 

[Crossroads]

That was Tskuyuomi, just because he didn't say it, doesn't mean it wasn't the jutsu. He doesn't say Amaterasu every time he uses it so....

And how about you provide the manga scan where Madara says he does not posess those techs?

The manga says both techniques are needed for Susano'o, until I see otherwise, i'm agreeing with the manga.

He doesn't say Amaterasu every time because he's said it enough and we all know he has it.

You have no proof in the Manga that Sasuke has used Tsukiyomi, and some goes for Madara with Tsukiyomi/Amaterasu.

Amaterasu would've been a great tech to be used Vs. the Gokage, why wasn't it used? lol...

I love how you're asking me for Manga scans when it's you who should be providing Manga scans. If the Manga hasn't shown something, it can't be done.

The same Manga also stated that all you need is the double Mangekyo, lol.

You're a poor debater, I don't even know why you attempt at debating with me, mere fodder.

What a cop out.

You know full well that you have no proof of him saying he does not posses it.
I have the manga as my proof that both techniques are needed for Susano'o to be used.

I have the same Manga to back me up that all you need is the double Mangekyo, what now..?

Unless you have a legit Manga scan of them using the tech's, don't argue.

 

[Raekwon26]

Theres much more evidence that they are not needed for susano'o

and if you think that infinte tskyuomi and tskyuomi are the same and that the genjutsu that Madara used on Obito is tskyuomi you're wrong
1.Not his orginal eye
2.No where does it even indicate it's tskyuomi
3.Obito was planning on doing the moons eye plan without madara, are you telling me Obito has tskyuomi?

Never even mentioned anything about infinite Tsukuyomi, so.....

Both ocular jutsus are needed for Susano'o to be unlocked. Manga fact.

 

[UchihaKira]

Id like to think MS abilities vary from person to person, which obviously seems to be the case. I only wonder what Madaras abilities are, he hasnt really shown any other than susanoo. Ive seen people say PS could be one of them but I dont like that idea.

 

[itachi4real]

this is misconception of Sasuke's statement. the way you interpreted it is wrong. This is the truth:


Tsukuyomi + Amatersu = Susnaoo

Nope...itachi just says that cus he's the only person he knew that had susanoo so ofc hes gonna say u need tsukuyomi to have susanoo...but sasuke has amaterasu and the ability to manipulate it and i kno people are gonna say that thats just an ability if so y doesnt he do it with the same eye he uses amaterasu instead of different eyes

 

[Meee]

I don't believe so

Sasuke's techs were Amaterasu and Enton and it was stated by both Itachi and Sasuke that Susanoo was the power of the double Mangekyou.

 

[Misconception]

this is misconception of Sasuke's statement. the way you interpreted it is wrong. This is the truth:


Tsukuyomi + Amatersu = Susnaoo

He said those who have awakened Ms in both eyes... Thats just stating people like Obito and Kakashi can't use it... Madara has yet to show Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi... In his battle with Hashirama Amaterasu could have played a huge role and possibly giving him the victory i see no reason why he didn't use it other than he can't...

Trying to go off the Databooks ehh... I bet you don't believe what the Databooks said about Yata Mirror now do you.???

 

[Raekwon26]

He doesn't say Amaterasu every time because he's said it enough and we all know he has it.

You have no proof in the Manga that Sasuke has used Tsukiyomi, and some goes for Madara with Tsukiyomi/Amaterasu.

Amaterasu would've been a great tech to be used Vs. the Gokage, why wasn't it used? lol...

I love how you're asking me for Manga scans when it's you who should be providing Manga scans. If the Manga hasn't shown something, it can't be done.

The same Manga also stated that all you need is the double Mangekyo, lol.

You're a poor debater, I don't even know why you attempt at debating with me, mere fodder.



I have the same Manga to back me up that all you need is the double Mangekyo, what now..?

Unless you have a legit Manga scan of them using the tech's, don't argue.

I gave proof that Sasuke used Tskuyomi, you just didn't accept it. That's not my problem.
Why should I provide a manga scan? I just quoting what was said in the manga that you need both ocular techs to use Susano'o.

Just because Madara didn't use Amaterasu against the Gokages. Better yet, did you see the whole fight? Did anyone see the whole fight? I didn't think so. You don't know whether he used it or not.

Again, I don't need to provide a scan of something not being used if the manga stated that both techs are needed, it's up to you to show that Madara us incapable of using those abilities, until you prove that, you defer to the manga.

I lol at you thinking you mean something of actual importance. I haven't agreed with any of your premise and you call me a poor debater?
Your just one of the many that try and flaunt around like you have any actual stock around here when you're just another poster.
Just lol.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I say yes...

 

[itachi4real]

Just like i said before raekwon y doesnt sasuke use the same eye to manipulate the amaterasu instead on using a different eye doesnt make since and u cant have two abilities in one eye sooo he doesnt have tsukuyomi

 

[foxyladyland]

Madara used Tsukuyomi on Obito underground to show him what it looks like.
Sasuke performed Tsukuyomi looking jutsu on Bee. I don't think it was called genjutsu , but it didn't have a name.. idk..
Sasuke has Itachi's eyes so he should have Tsukuyomi .. I think..

just like when people usually take someone's eyes , they get their power..
in this case.. the eyes implanted were blind.. maybe.

 

[Trollasaur]

Madara used Tsukuyomi on Obito underground to show him what it looks like.
Sasuke performed Tsukuyomi looking jutsu on Bee. I don't think it was called genjutsu , but it didn't have a name.. idk..
Sasuke has Itachi's eyes so he should have Tsukuyomi .. I think..

just like when people usually take someone's eyes , they get their power..
in this case.. the eyes implanted were blind.. maybe.

That wasn't Madaras eye, it was some random 3 tomme he picked up.

 

[Crossroads]

I gave proof that Sasuke used Tskuyomi, you just didn't accept it. That's not my problem.
Why should I provide a manga scan? I just quoting what was said in the manga that you need both ocular techs to use Susano'o.

Just because Madara didn't use Amaterasu against the Gokages. Better yet, did you see the whole fight? Did anyone see the whole fight? I didn't think so. You don't know whether he used it or not.

Again, I don't need to provide a scan of something not being used if the manga stated that both techs are needed, it's up to you to show that Madara us incapable of using those abilities, until you prove that, you defer to the manga.

I lol at you thinking you mean something of actual importance. I haven't agreed with any of your premise and you call me a poor debater?
Your just one of the many that try and flaunt around like you have any actual stock around here when you're just another poster.
Just lol.

No, you told me when Sasuke used Genjutsu, nothing more.

I was asking for a Manga scan of Sasuke using Tsukiyomi, and the Manga clearly stating it's Tsukiyomi. Can't do that, can you?

You also can't provide me with a scan of Madara using Amaterasu, or Tsukiyomi.

I know Madara didn't use Amaterasu on the Gokage during the fight, because they'd be ash right now, lol.

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Nothing about Tsukiyomi stated there^, or Amaterasu. Sasuke uses Amaterasu with one eye, and controls it (Enton), with the other. No Tsukiyomi is used.

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^ Why doesn't it just say Tsukiyomi in this scan, instead it says Genjutsu/Sharingan..? Because Sasuke doesn't have it and can't use it.

I don't even know what to think with this one, of course I think of myself of someone of importance, I don't have low self esteem. And there are people I've disagreed with before that I think are great debaters, it's not what you agree on and are opinionated towards, it's how you present your opinion and argument, which you're not very good at.

Of course I'm just another poster, another poster that can actually debate a topic, unlike yourself.

Like I said before, don't argue unless you bring me a scan of them doing it, plain and simple.

You kids make this too easy...

 

[Raekwon26]

Just like i said before raekwon y doesnt sasuke use the same eye to manipulate the amaterasu instead on using a different eye doesnt make since and u cant have two abilities in one eye sooo he doesnt have tsukuyomi

Simply because his ocular prowess is more geared towards Susano'o than Tsukuyomi.

He has Tsukuyomi, but he is not as proficient with the tech like Itachi is just like Itachi isn't as proficient with Amaterasu like Sasuke is.
I believe that each MS user has a different speciality with their ocular justus.
Sasuke with Amaterasu
Itachi with Tsukuyomi
Madara with Susano'o
Shisui with KA
Obito and Kakashi with Kamui

They each have their strengths with a certain ocular justu.

 

[romeboii]

I'm want to see what people have to say about this, me personally, I say no.

Sauske clearly stated in the manga that Susano'o requries two MS, and Cee said that Sauske casts Amateratsu with his left eye and controls it with the other. Also Sauske has never shown using tskyuomi, he is always doing Sharingan Genjutsu and he has had multiple times where he could of done it. Madara hasn't used tskyuomi or amateratsu either.


So discuss.​

i think that they both do have ametarasu and tsukiyomi but we have seen tsukiyomi from itachi and sasuke uses amatarasu all day who care if they we see madara do it....also madara has infinite tsukiyomi does he not?

 

[Trollasaur]

Simply because his ocular prowess is more geared towards Susano'o than Tsukuyomi.

He has Tsukuyomi, but he is not as proficient with the tech like Itachi is just like Itachi isn't as proficient with Amaterasu like Sasuke is.
I believe that each MS user has a different speciality with their ocular justus.
Sasuke with Amaterasu
Itachi with Tsukuyomi
Madara with Susano'o
Shisui with KA
Obito and Kakashi with Kamui

They each have their strengths with a certain ocular justu.

Madaras susano'o isn't uniqe.

 

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So, if the databook says they come with susano'o then they come with susano'o.
They do have them. but if they suck ass with them I could see why they wouldn't use them.

 

[Meee]

Madara used Tsukuyomi on Obito underground to show him what it looks like.
Sasuke performed Tsukuyomi looking jutsu on Bee. I don't think it was called genjutsu , but it didn't have a name.. idk..
Sasuke has Itachi's eyes so he should have Tsukuyomi .. I think..

just like when people usually take someone's eyes , they get their power..
in this case.. the eyes implanted were blind.. maybe.

Madara couldn't have used Tsukuyomi, Dude was only rocking the 3 Tomoe Sharingan at the time and Sasuke's Genjutsu was never given a name it was a regular one until proven otherwise

 

[Crossroads]

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You mean the contradicting databook that says Kamui isn't something that can be negated? But Yata Mirror negates all attacks?

It's full of contradictions.

 

[Raekwon26]

Madaras susano'o isn't uniqe.

I only put it there because of the Susano'o he pulled out on the Gokage and that he has the ability to apparently make clones of Susano'o.
That seems pretty unique, but again, I could be wrong.

@Crossroads, call me a poor debater, call me whatever you want, I presented my case and reasons for why I believe he posses both techs and presented that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. You chose to ignore it, not my problem.