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here is another fact why Meteor dwarfs the Shinsuusenju:
I am here to give my calculation of the difference in size between Madara's meteor and Hashirama's shinsuusenju.

So far, i have seen fanboys claiming that meteor is half the size of mountain yet they lack proper evidence to back it up and this disturbs me. As usual i am going to state the facts and logic like i always do using maths with manga so read and understand.

Madara's Meteor Size
I said the calcs I'm getting put it at somewhere in the 200-300 range as low end, 500m mid end and 1200-1300m at the high end. After some concrete scaling and adjustments it's a bit lower than that.

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using this scan, Madara is 184cm we get a ratio of (180/35=) 5.14cm/px.
5.14cmx218px=11.2m for the width of the rock they're standing on.

The rock that Madara summoned had a largely spherical shape so, I used the oval selection tool to create a sphere that is an approximation if the rock was completely on panel. Off course the rock isn't a perfect sphere as you can see some of the rock are within the sphere and some are out of it, but it's better than nothing.

The width of the rock would be 944px.

944x0.26m=245m is the diameter of the rock that Madara summoned. This is one of the lower ends but not the lowest one.

Now we'll move on to the next scaling of the size of Madara's rock summon.

i used the same technique on this scan:

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The rock that Madara summoned was more spherical on this one, so I could more easily find the exact total shape of the rock.

I used the smallest rock on panel as an indication (red line). It's 76px and thus we get a ratio of 11.2/76=0,147m/px. The diameter of the sphere is 984px=145m.
Now we'll get to the higher ends.

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the rock is less spherical than on the earlier page, so we have less accuracy especially at center of the bottom of the sphere, This is however compensated by the fact that the rock clearly goes past the lower left and right side of the sphere I made, so this evens things out in the end.

The diameter of the rock would be 1236px.

Now here's where we have several scaling options.

The largest of the rocks visible is 36px (marked by blue line). 12m24/36=0.34m/px. Based on that the rock is 0.34cm/x1236=420.24m

If we use a smaller rock to represent the rock that Madara and Muu were standing on, say the one marked by red (16px) we get 11.2m/16=0.7m/px. That makes the rock 0.7mx1236px=865.2m in diameter.

You could also use an even smaller rock like the ones even further in the back. That would get the size of the rock over a kilometer, but because we don't have reason to believe Madara and Muu were that far in the back I'd say that that's unlikely and it would be the highest end you can get.

Now that i have accurately calculated the size of the meteor, we can move on to calculate the size of the Shinsuusenju...

Hashirama's Shinsuusenju Size
I will use DemonicAvenger thread since he has done the maths:

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Kyuubi's Height in Pixels = 40 Pixels
Kyuubi's Calced size = 477.04 feet
Shinsuusenju's Height in Pixels = 271 Pixels

271 / 40 = 6.775
6.775 x 477.04 = 3231.946

Shinsuusenju is 3232 feet tall. Thats well over half a mile. (Roughly of course)

Now that we have calculated the overall size of them, we can easily get to a conclusion to see which technique is indeed larger...

Shinsuusenju = 3232 feet tall

Meteor = 2838 feet tall

Shinsuusenju is only bigger than 1 meteor however 2 meteor like this:


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2 meteor =

2838 + 2838 = 5676 feet tall

so 2 meteor are indeed bigger than shinsuusenju


I am very well aware that Kishi sometimes messes up the drawing but the most accurate translation would be the one i done. its better than none.

As of now, i need to go right now and i will be back after 30 mins.

Thank You...Madara Rules:)


Meteor is bigger than buddah.
 

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and i am giving Madara rinnegan feats because Nagato used it just like how you are giving Hashirama feat of using Mokuton techniques he hasn't shown through Madara + Yamato + Danzo.
hashirama used a technique, therefore he gets that feat. nagato using something=/=madara getting that feat. understand?
you rely on what Hashirama has been hyped to do and you say its feat when he hasn't shown it so the same will apply for Madara as well.
its called an off-panel feat unless you want to claim that the sage didnt beat the juubi. the most that madara has for an off-panel feat is teaching obito how to control foreign bodies.
i am not arguing anymore considering you spew the BS over and over. this is why you shouldn't be taken serious.

i will leave Kishi words:

''All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not.''

Hashirama cannot beat someone who has no weakness. Problem, take it up with Kishimoto for making Madara stronger than your boyfriend.
saying that madara has no weakness=/=him being the strongest.

if kishi wanted the readers to believe that he was the strongest, then he wouldve outright stated that madara is the strongest shinobi.
 

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What? He knew Onoki pretty well. He just said he had gotten better.

And it did. If he had done them at different time, where is the scan? There is none.

I can't believe I have to show a scan of something that is so obvious.




Do you see the 2nd Meteor in these scans? No, so they weren't used at the same exact time. Your Madara didn't use any handseals point doesn't hold since you can only see Madara's face in the panel the second Meteor is called, you can't see his arms, hands or his Susanoo at all.

Also the second link shows Madara being surprised Onoki was able to stop it, so no, he didn't know they would survive it.
 

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Hashi Did get down the FIght after he *stab* madara ?so how is that a win

Perfect example of why Madara fanboys can't be taken seriously. Now we have them trying to say Hashirama didn't beat Madara at VoTE...

Not. Sure. If. Serious.
 

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Perfect example of why Madara fanboys can't be taken seriously. Now we have them trying to say Hashirama didn't beat Madara at VoTE...

Not. Sure. If. Serious.

an example of how i trolled the Troller
It wasn't Edo Madara ..
if you keep trolling i will report you..
its about EDo madara ANd edo Hashi :hint:

not sure but

#dealwithit
 

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I can't believe I have to show a scan of something that is so obvious.




Do you see the 2nd Meteor in these scans? No, so they weren't used at the same exact time. Your Madara didn't use any handseals point doesn't hold since you can only see Madara's face in the panel the second Meteor is called, you can't see his arms, hands or his Susanoo at all.

Also the second link shows Madara being surprised Onoki was able to stop it, so no, he didn't know they would survive it.

Just after a page? Are you serious?

Tsuchikage survived just blatantly. Naruto was saved. Others were so far way, the meteor's hit range didn't affect them due to Onoki's Lightening-Jutsu.

+ I forgot Animal Path. He can get inside the chameleont and stay invisible (even though he's being sensed), and make clones.

That makes it even worse.
 

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an example of how i trolled the Troller
It wasn't Edo Madara ..
if you keep trolling i will report you..
its about EDo madara ANd edo Hashi :hint:

not sure but

#dealwithit

You obviously don't understand what I'm getting at.....
 

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i have work to do so i need to go right now. Take care of that fodder debater (you know who it is).
 

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Tsuchikage survived just blatantly. Naruto was saved. Others were so far way, the meteor's hit range didn't affect them due to Onoki's Lightening-Jutsu.

The people who were confronting Madara didn't escape the meteors range. They relied on the Kage to stop it, but they failed. The second Meteor, which wasn't lightened by Onoki, still crashed into the first meteor and caused more damage than one meteor by itself would have caused.

+ I forgot Animal Path. He can get inside the chameleont and stay invisible (even though he's being sensed), and make clones.

That makes it even worse.

Its funny, you claim that you argue with feats, but I'm seeing Madara using Animal Path in your post despite him never doing so in the manga...the irony.

Regardless, how would anything you are saying he would do help in the first place? If he is in the face of the Buddha and decides to summon fodder animals and clones, they all get pasted with ease by the Buddha's powerful AoE attacks as he can sense exactly where Madara is, its not like he'd need to anyway, Buddha's AoE is great enough to make it so that Madara can't hide even if he tried to.

If Madara goes the 25 Susanoo clone route in the face of Buddha, they all get pasted.

Please don't say he is going to make clones and they will all start spamming meteors cause you are going to need proof he can manage something like that with his chakra capacity, which is NOT infinite.
 

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By the looks of it, buddah only managed to remove half of the susano'o armor

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Just saying.
 

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The people who were confronting Madara didn't escape the meteors range. They relied on the Kage to stop it, but they failed. The second Meteor, which wasn't lightened by Onoki, still crashed into the first meteor and caused more damage than one meteor by itself would have caused.



Its funny, you claim that you argue with feats, but I'm seeing Madara using Animal Path in your post despite him never doing so in the manga...the irony.

Regardless, how would anything you are saying he would do help in the first place? If he is in the face of the Buddha and decides to summon fodder animals and clones, they all get pasted with ease by the Buddha's powerful AoE attacks as he can sense exactly where Madara is, its not like he'd need to anyway, Buddha's AoE is great enough to make it so that Madara can't hide even if he tried to.

If Madara goes the 25 Susanoo clone route in the face of Buddha, they all get pasted.

Please don't say he is going to make clones and they will all start spamming meteors cause you are going to need proof he can manage something like that with his chakra capacity, which is NOT infinite.

LoL, what?

I create something.
I give you the thing and you use it.
I can't use it? No logic there pal.

May I ask you, if he beats him with ShinsuuSenju, how exactly is that going to help him?

Gate? He goes under his Wood. It's never been stated that it surpresses Chakra.
 

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LoL, what?

I create something.
I give you the thing and you use it.
I can't use it? No logic there pal.

May I ask you, if he beats him with ShinsuuSenju, how exactly is that going to help him?

Gate? He goes under his Wood. It's never been stated that it surpresses Chakra.

-Madara didn't create the Rinnegan techniques so your analogy fails right there. Awakening the Rinnegan or any Dojutsu as a matter of fact and being able to use all its techs is FAR FAR different from what your analogy implies.

Since I'm referring to an Edo Hashirama, he just pounds Madara for all of eternity. The only way alive Hashirama could lose is by getting outlasted by Madara. Though that only proves me right when I say Hashirama is stronger than Edo Madara.
 

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hashirama is solo king and god of shinobi, no need for more explination

hashirama>>>>>>>>>>>>madara
 

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-Madara didn't create the Rinnegan techniques so your analogy fails right there. Awakening the Rinnegan or any Dojutsu as a matter of fact and being able to use all its techs is FAR FAR different from what your analogy implies.

Since I'm referring to an Edo Hashirama, he just pounds Madara for all of eternity. The only way alive Hashirama could lose is by getting outlasted by Madara. Though that only proves me right when I say Hashirama is stronger than Edo Madara.

WTF, wasting my time. We were debating about Edo Madara > Hashirama at first.

I asked you a question, yet no reply.

What is that damn ShinsuuSenju gonna help? If he uses Gate, go under a Wood.

And your logic is so flawed... Can't even tell if serious.

And if I awaken a Sharingan and give it to someone else, is the other a guy the successor?

WTF, when does this crazy logic of yours end? Dude. Stahp.
 
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