EMS Sasuke Vs Itachi and Kisame

[xcoyote]

Current Sasuke takes this more times than not for sure but given the Shinobis Kisame and Itachi are,they can pull off a win imo.

 

[-ahhimane-]

you have been hating on sasuke all day. its obvious you are seriously biased

Lol no, I hate Sasuke fanboys because they think too much about Sasuke and never consider Sasuke with the flow of the story. Because they destroy Sasuke's reputation.

Kisame's wide water balloon drowns Sasuke whether he has EMS or not.
And as per Itachi's condition, Itachi stabs Sasuke's Susano'o with the Totsuka sword even if he gets burned with Amaterasu. In this battle he won't leave Sasuke because being an older brother.
And it is not like Sasuke is not affected by the Amaterasu flames even if he manipulates or extinguishes it. He can't avoid the wounds from those flames.

 

[Oblivionx]

itachi and kisame win this...! itachi has brain and kisame the jutsu which absorbs other jutsus so mid diff...!

 

[slimreaper]

Lol no, I hate Sasuke fanboys because they think too much about Sasuke and never consider Sasuke with the flow of the story. Because they destroy Sasuke's reputation.

Kisame's wide water balloon drowns Sasuke whether he has EMS or not.
And as per Itachi's condition, Itachi stabs Sasuke's Susano'o with the Totsuka sword even if he gets burned with Amaterasu. In this battle he won't leave Sasuke because being an older brother.
And it is not like Sasuke is not affected by the Amaterasu flames even if he manipulates or extinguishes it. He can't avoid the wounds from those flames.

how will it drown sasuke in a susanoo that would be tall enough to pop its head out of the water?

itachi wouldn't even get close to sasuke's new susanoo with its speed

 

[slimreaper]

Itachi alone is a hard match for Sasuke if he has Kisame as support Sasuke will definitely lose

itachi would indeed be a hardmatch up for sasuke but kisame dies nearly instantly so he is a non factor

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Itachi matched Kabuto in speed and power. Even surprised Sasuke.


I'm all for Lord Sasuke, but I gotta give the Solo King Itachi his props.

Speed =/= reflexes

Eg;
- Itachi is faster than kabuto but has shittier reflexes
- Sage naruto has better reflexes than V1 Ay and 3rd raikage but is far slower
- Sasuke has better reflexes than V1 ay and bee but is far slower
- Hidan has better reflexes than Kakuzu but is slower
and on and on and on...

LOL you obviously didn't read a thing I said.

FFS he cuts one branch and now people think he is a god.
GSB eats v4 Susanoo for an entre and then Sasuke for main course.....
If you refute that then your a) retarded b) a fanboy c)all of the above, take your pick.


If you read further on, in my last post not once did I say it could absorb Kirin, you ignoramus.

No counters for enton arrows? Read it again.
Simple way is too obsure vision using hidden mist, hide behind waves
He could use feints i.e water clones, substitution jutsu
If there in a water dome, the speed of the arrows will be drastically reduced, and he can easily avoid those in fused Kisamehada mode.

Itachi and Sasuke stalemate each other with Susanoo, the only difference is stamina..
And if you had would have red the whole thing you would understand why Itachi is going to outlast Sasuke.



The first move that Kisame does is to use Dai Bakusui Shōha, he needs water for his battles and Sasuke is not going to have a Susanoo up at the start of the match.

Why can he not fully absorb a Susanoo in one strike, he already has absorbed 6 tails worth of chakra in one swing against Bee, so do not say he cant absorb a Susanoo as it has nowhere near that much chakra in it.

The reason why I said he could absorb Kirin, is because 1. it is a ninjustu 2.It has nature chakra and it also has Sasuke's chakra. However if you read my last post, I do not say he can absorb it, as he may not be able to absorb the nature energy WITH GSB.

I'm going to assume he has Hidden Mist, as he is a mist ninja and the greatest Suiton user, we have seen thus far. By feats Kisames suiton >>> Tobiramas suiton

Is every version of Sasuke's Susanoo legged? I don't think so, and the higher level Susanoo he uses the more chakra it drains... Why would Sasuke dodge Daikōdan no Jutsu, when he is clad in V4 Susanoo? He thinks it is unbreakable and has no knowledge of this jutsu.

When was the last time Sasuke used his Hawk summoning, I think its chapter 488? Can he still use hawks when he has a new summoning contract with Aoda.

If Kirin hits the water Sasuke gets electrocuted to...

Dude, just shut up and stop fabricating the manga.

As to the bolded nonsense; Sasuke is lightning nature

 

[Blaze Release]

Dafuq am i reading.

Mid diff Sasuke?.
People either overrating sasuke through the roof or seriously underrating kisame, talking bout one shot.

Anyway the duo imo take this mid and highly unlikely high diff.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Dafuq am i reading.

Mid diff Sasuke?.
People either overrating sasuke through the roof or seriously underrating kisame, talking bout one shot.

Anyway the duo imo take this mid and highly unlikely high diff.

You do realise that Itachi is superior to kisame right? And, not even itachi could contend, right? Sasuke would win this high diff at most.

Kirin is prepped from the beginning.
Sasuke has canonically crushed and cut living being in half with his susano'o.
Susano'o arrows have been canonically too fast for people faster than kisame to react.

Samehade can only absorb attacks in close proximity, and even then, if it's too quick, the attack would hit kisame before it starts getting absorbed. The simply truth is kisame dies from Susano'o sword, susano'o arrow, Kirin, etc.

 

[-ahhimane-]

how will it drown sasuke in a susanoo that would be tall enough to pop its head out of the water?

itachi wouldn't even get close to sasuke's new susanoo with its speed

Didn't you noticed Kisame's jutsu when he fought with Killer Bee?
Sasuke's susano'o size is somewhat equal to that of the panda which Killer Bee's Sensei had.

Itachi's crows can get closer to Sasuke without knowing him :snick:

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

GSB never touches susanoo its mobility is too great/ sasuke kills kisame with an enton arrow before he even has time to react.
Im the ignoramus? you can't even remember what you posted.

let me remind you
"Whats Sasukes counter for Great Shark Bullet?
-Kirin would get absorbed and charge it with electricity, making it even more deadly.
-Aoda would get destroyed by it.
-Susanoo would get absorbed and hit Sasuke.
-Amaterasu/Enton would get absorbed, supercharging it."

as far as blinding sasuke that isn't true. SM can see through things

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and sasuke would kill kisame before he even has time to react let alone use hidden mist.

sasuke and itachi susanoo aren't equal, sasuke with his gained mobility is untouchable and even if he has been using techs the whole fight(your opinion because he kills kisame quickly) his EMS stamina is ridiculous

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All this BS about how Kisame dies before he can even react. Amaterasu, gets absorbed, Magatama gets absorbed Susanoo gets absorbed, Chidori gets absorbed, Kirin has prep time, the only problem is Enton arrow, however is that even going to kill Kisame?

The flames wont do any damage, it is the contact that does the damage, something that Kisame can heal from, also need I show you this page..

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Madara had to see the enton arrow being prepared, then control Obito to fire out chakra rods...That is definitely avoidable.
Danzo was like 10 metres away and he had time to do handsigns and grow a tree.
If an enton arrow can be blocked by chakra rods, Samehada could block it if he reacts in time...
Plus kisame uses the waves to move, which makes him extremely fast. He can avoid it is he sees the bow being drawn.

Yeah you keep saying I think he can absorb Kirin, but if you read my last post that had changed, I stopped saying it. But natural lightning does contain natural chakra just saying.

Hidden mist will blind Sasuke, the waves will too, because it is not natural water, it is made of chakra, and this is not a byakugan. How is he meant to see chakra through chakra?
The sharingan can't see through chakra..pulled directly from naruto wiki "It can't fool the Byakugan, but, due to the mist being created with the user's chakra, any Sharingan and Rinnegan-user will see the mist coloured by their opponent's chakra, which will effectively hide the user from the dōjutsu."


Concerning GSB the point of it is that, Sasuke has NO knowledge of this jutsu, why would he avoid it?
He wouldn't, plain and simple, it goes against his arrogant character type, he believes he has the Ultimate defence, even said so to Gaara.
So why would he avoid it in when he is using the strongest Susanoo he has ever used, he would believe he could take the hit. And he would die.

Also the Susanoo you saw cut the god branch, is at least 2 times probably more, larger than it is without KCM cloak. It still has legs, but its a lot smaller.

Ever since Sasuke achieved MS he has done nothing but, spam MS techniques. He will most likely start out with amaterasu or Susanoo. Dai Bakusui Shōha is Water Dome and by what you just said Kisame easily gets picked off at the start of the match. It's unknown how much chakra is used in both but, obviously he won't be fully absorbing Sasuke's Susanoo in one strike. Kirin isn't natural chakra though, it's Sasuke's chakra manipulating natural lightning. You can't just assume that he has hidden mist, that's like me saying Sasuke has PS because Madara, who has EMS, is able to use it. No, not every version is legged but, the one that he displayed last chapter is. Who says he will be in V4 once Kisame uses Daikōdan no Jutsu? And he is fighting two opponents at once, why would he take a direct hit from a jutsu of that size/level? Sasuke has a contract with the Hawks and the Snakes. In his legged-Susanoo he levitates thus he won't be electrocuted or he can use his Hawk summon to fly up.

I meant Bakusui Shōha, the one he used against Guy.
I don't see how that makes him get easily picked off at the start of the match, that jutsu takes like a second to put into action. Whereas Sasuke has to summon Susanoo, draw the string and fire it during that time...Not happening

Sasuke does not even contain 6 tails worth of chakra, if you think so that is illogical.
Kisame can absorb 6 tails worth of chakra in one strike, so HE IS DEFINITELY absorbing Susanoo v1-4, in one strike if he gets close enough.

I can assume he has Hidden Mist because a) he is from Kirigakure b) he is the greatest Suiton user by feats in this manga...
This is nothing like EMS and Perfect Susanoo, two people in existence have had EMS and it is known that there are variations between Mangekyou.
Hidden mist is a D Rank jutsu, do not compare them, as it is nothing alike.

Umm it doesn't matter if he's in ribcage or v4, Daikōdan no Jutsu will absorb it. And he would try and take that hit because it is just a water jutsu, he's arrogant, and he has the "Ultimate defence" and those are his words.

Doesn't have a contract with hawks anymore as he now has a contract with Aoda, Nagato is the only person who has shown summoning multiple species, due to the Rinnegan.

I'm going to ask it again what is Sasukes counter to Water Dome, and I'll say this now before someone posts a picture of Susanoo the lumberjack.
Go to your bath/ a sink and try to cut the water with a knife, see how successful you are haha.

Edit: Just because Sasuke is a lightning user, yet he cant be affected by Raiton jutsu...Hahahahah
-Why did he use Susanoo against Ay then?
-Itachi is a katon user, fire can still burn him.
-Akatsuchi is an Earth user, that can still crush him.
-Onoki is a jinton user, that will absolutely destroy him.
See the similiarities there...Raiton can kill Sasuke.

If you think v4 Sasuke is bigger than Water Dome, you are reading a different manga.
WD is the size of a mountain, and a summon who would be roughly equal in size to Susanoo was tiny inside of WD,

So no, just no.

 

[Prince Charles]

Nice debating Typhon Uchiha

 

[Bogard]

Like i said in the other thread, the most dangerous here for Sasuke isn't Itachi, but Kisame. If Sasuke kills Kisame right off the bat he wins. If not, there is a high possibility he would lose because of his absorbing jutsus like GSB that will be Sasuke's worse nightmare

 

[Blaze Release]

You do realise that Itachi is superior to kisame right? And, not even itachi could contend, right? Sasuke would win this high diff at most.

Kirin is prepped from the beginning.
Sasuke has canonically crushed and cut living being in half with his susano'o.
Susano'o arrows have been canonically too fast for people faster than kisame to react.

Samehade can only absorb attacks in close proximity, and even then, if it's too quick, the attack would hit kisame before it starts getting absorbed. The simply truth is kisame dies from Susano'o sword, susano'o arrow, Kirin, etc.

You talk far too much, but say so little.
None of what you have said is convincing of a sasuke win.

Itachi even without no knowledge on ms sasuke's abilities, you would think would if he shows the first signs of amaterasu which is the preparation itachi will note the attack and prepare for it. People usually acknowledge the fact that tsukuyomi or genjutsu in general is redundant. However they forget that the same can be said about amaterasu/enton because itachi has shown to be able to extinguish it. Who knows whether his ability to extinguish amaterasu is limited to his own amaterasu or amaterasu in general. If the latter is possible what is stopping itachi limiting as much as possible sasuke's most troublesome ability which is amaterasu/enton.

Kisame has been itachi's partner for some time and is very knowledge on itachi's jutsus which is the same as sasuke's more or less. When fused with samahada he becomes a sensor. What is interesting is that kisame is actually the first shinobi before kabuto to show the ability to fight using sensing and limited eyesight.

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With his sensing skills when fused can fight with limited visual, but also should get a heads up on amaterasu, something sensors have shown. So you have one shinobi that can fight without his eyes and a sensor therefore should get a heads up on amaterasu and another shinobi who has more experience with ms techniques than ems sasuke to note amaterasu's prep, but also has shown the ability to extinguish it.

Its also possible that kisame through samahada since they are working as a team could command samahada to restore itachi's chakra therefore keeping him in the battle.

Kisame isn't dying from susano arrows. Firstly being a sensor means he gains great awareness. Secondly when fused his speed increases. Both feats awareness and body speed which make up reaction time is both increased


If he was to be impaled he can heal himself, but note that, susano's arrows are yin chakra based. Kisame can absorb it, so that goes out of the window

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Any form of close contact and can absorb susano

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I do not see sasuke taking this at all.

If kisame was my fav character id go ape shit at those who believe he is getting one shotted.
Underrated af

 

[Prince Charles]

You talk far too much, but say so little.

Naw bro... you wrong for dat U_U lmao turn up

R.I.P AgoodBoy

 

[Bieber]

I meant Bakusui Shōha, the one he used against Guy.
I don't see how that makes him get easily picked off at the start of the match, that jutsu takes like a second to put into action. Whereas Sasuke has to summon Susanoo, draw the string and fire it during that time...Not happening

Sasuke does not even contain 6 tails worth of chakra, if you think so that is illogical.
Kisame can absorb 6 tails worth of chakra in one strike, so HE IS DEFINITELY absorbing Susanoo v1-4, in one strike if he gets close enough.
I can assume he has Hidden Mist because a) he is from Kirigakure b) he is the greatest Suiton user by feats in this manga...
This is nothing like EMS and Perfect Susanoo, two people in existence have had EMS and it is known that there are variations between Mangekyou.
Hidden mist is a D Rank jutsu, do not compare them, as it is nothing alike.

Umm it doesn't matter if he's in ribcage or v4, Daikōdan no Jutsu will absorb it. And he would try and take that hit because it is just a water jutsu, he's arrogant, and he has the "Ultimate defence" and those are his words.

Doesn't have a contract with hawks anymore as he now has a contract with Aoda, Nagato is the only person who has shown summoning multiple species, due to the Rinnegan.

I'm going to ask it again what is Sasukes counter to Water Dome, and I'll say this now before someone posts a picture of Susanoo the lumberjack.
Go to your bath/ a sink and try to cut the water with a knife, see how successful you are haha.

Edit: Just because Sasuke is a lightning user, yet he cant be affected by Raiton jutsu...Hahahahah
-Why did he use Susanoo against Ay then?
-Itachi is a katon user, fire can still burn him.
-Akatsuchi is an Earth user, that can still crush him.
-Onoki is a jinton user, that will absolutely destroy him.
See the similiarities there...Raiton can kill Sasuke.

If you think v4 Sasuke is bigger than Water Dome, you are reading a different manga.
WD is the size of a mountain, and a summon who would be roughly equal in size to Susanoo was tiny inside of WD,

So no, just no.

Even if he uses Bakusui Shōha he can still be picked off. Kisame has to stand still and spit up the water leaving him wide open for an attack such as amaterasu. Which won't be absorbed instantly and the more Sasuke focuses on it, the quicker it will burn. Samehada only

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and it doesn't absorb instantly which still gives Sasuke time to react. Kisame doesn't have hidden mist, it doesn't matter if he is the best suiton user shown in the manga. Has he shown it in the manga? No. Sasuke is not stupid enough to let an attack of that size hit him directly while he is fighting another opponent. If Sasuke is in his V2 legged-Susanoo, which is more agile, he can evade Daikōdan no Jutsu. He has shown to be able to summon both and for this debate I am using the Hawk. Seeing as it's not restricted and he has shown the summon in the manga, I see no reason for me not to be able to. Sasuke doesn't have a counter for Dai Bakusui Shōha, the only way for him to counter it is to pick off Kisame via amaterasu or enton arrow before he finishes spitting out the water. I haven't argued that it can't? I know that Susanoo isn't bigger than Dai Bakusui Shōha. And like others have been saying there is going to be a ton of amaterasu spam which helps prep Kirin. Once Sasuke waves his hand no one is evading it and Kisame has not a single counter to it.

@AGB

Sasuke's raiton does affect him. I believe it was shown in his fight with Deidara.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You talk far too much, but say so little.
None of what you have said is convincing of a sasuke win.

Itachi even without no knowledge on ms sasuke's abilities, you would think would if he shows the first signs of amaterasu which is the preparation itachi will note the attack and prepare for it. People usually acknowledge the fact that tsukuyomi or genjutsu in general is redundant. However they forget that the same can be said about amaterasu/enton because itachi has shown to be able to extinguish it. Who knows whether his ability to extinguish amaterasu is limited to his own amaterasu or amaterasu in general. If the latter is possible what is stopping itachi limiting as much as possible sasuke's most troublesome ability which is amaterasu/enton.

Kisame has been itachi's partner for some time and is very knowledge on itachi's jutsus which is the same as sasuke's more or less. When fused with samahada he becomes a sensor. What is interesting is that kisame is actually the first shinobi before kabuto to show the ability to fight using sensing and limited eyesight.

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With his sensing skills when fused can fight with limited visual, but also should get a heads up on amaterasu, something sensors have shown. So you have one shinobi that can fight without his eyes and a sensor therefore should get a heads up on amaterasu and another shinobi who has more experience with ms techniques than ems sasuke to note amaterasu's prep, but also has shown the ability to extinguish it.

Its also possible that kisame through samahada since they are working as a team could command samahada to restore itachi's chakra therefore keeping him in the battle.

Kisame isn't dying from susano arrows. Firstly being a sensor means he gains great awareness. Secondly when fused his speed increases. Both feats awareness and body speed which make up reaction time is both increased


If he was to be impaled he can heal himself, but note that, susano's arrows are yin chakra based. Kisame can absorb it, so that goes out of the window

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Any form of close contact and can absorb susano

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I do not see sasuke taking this at all.

If kisame was my fav character id go ape shit at those who believe he is getting one shotted.
Underrated af

When I post a detailed response people be telling me to stop typing so much. Now that I keep it short they want me to type more Zzz

There are quite a lot of flaws in your argument though, from what I skimmed.

Basically, Sasuke will catch them off guard with enton and ama because he no longer has eye bleed. Most of your post seemed to work on the fact that kisame would have time fuse with samehade then spit out a lake of water, when the sad truth is that Susano'o arrows can activate so quickly that Kakashi only had time to use kamui and danzo only had time to use a tree. You stating that itachi was kisame's partner changes nothing as Itachi never had susano'o arrows and quite possibly never showed Susano'o to Kisame. In the end, kisame dies from an arrow, being split in half or kirin. Kisame isn't Healing from a heart puncture, nor is Samehade's healing acting up in time. Furthermore, sasuke could simply kill Samehade by aiming the enton arrows and possibly magatama's at it. The match ends rather quickly. The only scans I'd need to post is that of enton arrow's speed, Kirin's requirements and Samehade's flaws.

Itachi will lose this fight because he's going blind off of 4-5 MS jutsu. He needs to put out amaterasu, use his susano'o and use his own amaterasu just to last the first minute since sasuke fights predominantly with enton attacks now that he got EMS. Itachi won't last 2 minutes because of the heavy requirement of using MS moves.

Actually, I'll do you a favor and post something Yo pappy posted on samehade since I can't be bothered to go through the trouble.

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• Samehada cannot draw in chakra instantly, nor is it anywhere near as fast at absorbing chakra as Preta Path. When Killer Bee used Lariat in V2 against Kisame he was brought back to V1 by Samehada, but against Preta Path he was left with no cloak.

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Samehada -

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Preta Path -

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• Samehada can sustain physical damage, as well as damage from chakra based attacks.

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• Samehada cannot absorb chakra unless it is manifested, and is in contact with said chakra. There's been numerous instances where Kisame has traded blows with Samehada in hand against opponents who were solely utilizing Taijutsu, Kenjutsu, or a combination of both, and no chakra was ever absorbed.

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• Another point I'd like to make about Samehada only being able to absorb what it's touching. When it comes to ninjutsu, and absorbing chakra from them Samehada is different from Preta path. What I mean by this is that when Preta path absorbs something it is completely reduced in size, and funneled into the body of it's user. Samehada on the other hand cannot absorb ambient chakra, so if a jutsu is considerably larger than itself (Bijuu Dama) it won't be able to absorb it all because it cannot touch it all, thus leaving it's wielder vulnerable. To put it bluntly, Samehada is NOT going to save Kisame from a Bijuu Dama, and it will most likely either be destroyed, or critically wounded in the process as we have already proven that it can be damaged.

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PS: I'm one of the few people that started to back Kisame up back months back when he was even more underrated... I was one of those who tried to show others that he should be #4 in akatsuki right below Itachi. Furthermore, Itachi is my second favourite character right under minato so it's not like I even dislike these two... I actually don't like sasuke much but he's the one that's underrated immensely on these forums. SM naruto can take on EMS sasuke? yea ok....

Naw bro... you wrong for dat U_U lmao turn up

R.I.P AgoodBoy

I don't want to release the beast in this thread. Already debated this topic before Zzz

EDIT: I'm also waiting till I get home before I actually start back posting scans and stuff.. Been off on vacation for months now and going back home soon... Had to use public internet or teether from my phone and it's so bad and unreliable... I take 1-2 minutes to load manga pages just to have the image break and fail to load 5 times..

@AGB

Sasuke's raiton does affect him. I believe it was shown in his fight with Deidara.

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and didn't sustain a hole in his chest or a cardiac arrest or anything. He sustained minor injures from an assassination jutsu,to the point where he moved effortlessly with the Raiton

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through his body. It's very safe to say that he tanked that raiton and channelled it through his body; Else, he'd be either unconscious or immobile. then, he took one of darui's Suiton-Raiton attacks later on and sustained 0 damage.

 

[Solo]

Jumping at Kabuto and blocking his attack isn't matching his speed. Just saying.

Actually, you're wrong. If Kabuto was moving faster than Itachi he would have force than Itachi and knocked him back, but they cancelled each other out.

We know that attack of Kabuto's can rip through a human, so it's damn powerful.

 

[Prince Charles]

Actually, you're wrong. If Kabuto was moving faster than Itachi he would have force than Itachi and knocked him back, but they cancelled each other out.

We know that attack of Kabuto's can rip through a human, so it's damn powerful.

Good point, and R.I.P BLAZE RELEASE

 

[Nattana]

While I agree that Sasuke has a chance of defeating them, I don't see any reason for Itachi and Kisame to hold back when they see Sasuke going all out and start right away with Susano.

People here are underrating what a team can do.
Sasuke is not using Kirin nor spamming Amaterasu, since it leaves him vulnerable due to focusing his eyesight in 1 point.

I believe that the team takes this. With difficulties, but still.

 

[Blaze Release]

When I post a detailed response people be telling me to stop typing so much. Now that I keep it short they want me to type more Zzz

There are quite a lot of flaws in your argument though, from what I skimmed.

Basically, Sasuke will catch them off guard with enton and ama because he no longer has eye bleed. Most of your post seemed to work on the fact that kisame would have time fuse with samehade then spit out a lake of water, when the sad truth is that Susano'o arrows can activate so quickly that Kakashi only had time to use kamui and danzo only had time to use a tree. You stating that itachi was kisame's partner changes nothing as Itachi never had susano'o arrows and quite possibly never showed Susano'o to Kisame. In the end, kisame dies from an arrow, being split in half or kirin. Kisame isn't Healing from a heart puncture, nor is Samehade's healing acting up in time. Furthermore, sasuke could simply kill Samehade by aiming the enton arrows and possibly magatama's at it. The match ends rather quickly. The only scans I'd need to post is that of enton arrow's speed, Kirin's requirements and Samehade's flaws.

Itachi will lose this fight because he's going blind off of 4-5 MS jutsu. He needs to put out amaterasu, use his susano'o and use his own amaterasu just to last the first minute since sasuke fights predominantly with enton attacks now that he got EMS. Itachi won't last 2 minutes because of the heavy requirement of using MS moves.

Actually, I'll do you a favor and post something Yo pappy posted on samehade since I can't be bothered to go through the trouble.

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PS: I'm one of the few people that started to back Kisame up back months back when he was even more underrated... I was one of those who tried to show others that he should be #4 in akatsuki right below Itachi. Furthermore, Itachi is my second favourite character right under minato so it's not like I even dislike these two... I actually don't like sasuke much but he's the one that's underrated immensely on these forums. SM naruto can take on EMS sasuke? yea ok....

Damn, distractions everywhere, still haven't completed this thread yet, smh.
Sasuke fans already know i got love for them and he is my fav character. Due to this i allow them to roam the forum trolling and what not, but in the end ill be forced to run through their fanbase. Hope my boy macho you reading this.

These fans are making me feel like Tobirama right about now

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Anyway nice post. You made a mistake from the start.
You confused one of amaterasu's side effects with its preparation. The side effect of amaterasu is a bleeding eye. The prep time is building chakra in the eye. Ems sasuke doesn't suffer the side effect, however he still shows prep time of amaterasu. This scan puts it simple actually

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Itachi with his experience of said jutsu should note this prep and anticipate it. Likewise kisame, should also note this prep time as itachi his partner has demonstrated this technique and kisame has enough knowledge on tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

Just like how Obito managed to sense it regardless of sasuke's bleeding eye. Kisame fused should be able to do the same. You are right though, me stating kisame being itachi means nothing, when it comes to susanoo or susanoo arrows. But kisame is itachi's partner and much like how kisame knows of itachi's jutsu's, itachi also knows of kisame's jutsu and attributeS. Example in part 1 in konoha he told him his techniques are too large skill so he should tone it down. When he met bee, he noted samahada and its ability to absorb chakra and kisame has shown this ability already when he absorbed naruto's chakra in part 1. Itachi knowing of kisame's strength's and itachi's indepth knowledge of ms technique's should grant them the possibility of feeding off each other with itachi adding to kisame's knowledge on the ms techniques and its strengths and weaknesses, susano included. They also seem to have a form of partnership/team chemistry and actually compliment each other. Again in part 1, itachi acting as the dominant force between the duo. Itachi being the brain and kisame being the brawn.

As for susano arrows, yes its fast but you use danzo and kakashi to reiterate this. Firstly danzo is an old man, im not going to waste too much time with him. Kakashi has greater reaction time to base kisame. However kisame when fused with samahada should have a greater reaction time due to his sensing and increase in skill. Secondly what do you mean by kisame isn't healing from a heart puncture almost as if you are certain. Kisame has had his chest ripped open and didn't die instantly, but rather got healed. See no reason why this cannot happen regardless of the injury. ALso possible that as a duel itachi will protect them with susano if needed.

Its a team fight, no such thing as itachi will lose this fight in the first minute. Seriously Sasuke fans needs a good stomping. Anyway itachi fights using deception. Since genjutsu is redundant, bunshins of either form or his kuchiyose.

Ill also say this. The karasu bunshin or kage bunshin have shown the ability to use the originals techniques and i suppose ms techniques, madara did show this using mokuton. We also know that any physical wound inflicted on a clone doesn't get transferred to the original.

The whole reason for that post is that its possible that, itachi can negate the side effects of the ms by using a clone. So perhaps by pouring enough chakra into a kage bunshin which will allow the clone to use ms techniques he negates the side effects on himself. You might say pouring all his chakra into his kage bunshin in counterproductive because of his reserves. However as a team effort kisame using samahada can restore his chakra for him.

As for poppy's post on samahada, ill post accordingly.
1. Its true

2. True samahada can sustain physical damage. As for chakra based so far its only been katon. Raiton has been absorbed already by samahada without any effect. But with kisame on your team he doesn't need samahada to counter a katon based attack. His suiton alone will overpower madara's. Sasuke's katon is nothing

3. Yes and no. Its true samahada has to come in contact with somebody to absorb chakra. However samahada can absorb chakra that isn't manifested on the outside and it has done

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4. Isn't true. Yes i get what he is saying. But firstly Kisame my himself can absorb chakra

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Not saying it rivals gakido. Secondly Samahada has absorbed or should i say tried to absorb something much bigger though not rivaling the dama in size

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More importantly. Poppy's point was directed towards base kisame holding samahada and not a kisame fused with samahada, who in this case that point doesn't apply to