Hashirama and Madara....

[Tonybeeth]

It's well known that Madara took hashi's dna to be able to use mokuton and awaken the rinnegan....so hw far is madara's mokuton abilities from hashirama. Madara's wood dragon which he used to bound naruto and bee were exactly the same as the one hashirama used to bound madara's kyuubi, and madara and bee stated that the dragon was the same as the first's. Even the flower tree world was recognized by Tsunade, to be the same with hashirama's. I Madara's use of Mokuton comes from hashi's cells but that shouldn't give him this level of abilities comparable to hashi's; so, I think that with the rinnegan, been able to manipulate all nature transformation, madara's mokuton abilities were raised closely to that of hashirama. I believe the rinnegan gains the user mastery of all element, but i think to be able to master wood element to hashi's level you probably need to be his descendant, and a rinnegan user to master that ability needs to be both hashi's and an uchiha's descendant. Do not misunderstand when I say madara's mokuton is closely to that of hashi's(sage mode techs excluded). I know madara with the rinnegan has a great part of hashi's mokuton abilities.

So how far beneath madara is hashi, really. A friend told me that no matter how powerful madara gets, hashi's still a god to him.
Thoughts......

 

[- J AV -]

i can say that madara''s mokuton is strong nearly as hasi's ,,, but hashi is stronger than madara in mokuton=D

 

[true enigma]

It's well known that Madara took hashi's dna to be able to use mokuton and awaken the rinnegan....so hw far is madara's mokuton abilities from hashirama. Madara's wood dragon which he used to bound naruto and bee were exactly the same as the one hashirama used to bound madara's kyuubi, and madara and bee stated that the dragon was the same as the first's. Even the flower tree world was recognized by Tsunade, to be the same with hashirama's. I Madara's use of Mokuton comes from hashi's cells but that shouldn't give him this level of abilities comparable to hashi's; so, I think that with the rinnegan, been able to manipulate all nature transformation, madara's mokuton abilities were raised closely to that of hashirama. I believe the rinnegan gains the user mastery of all element, but i think to be able to master wood element to hashi's level you probably need to be his descendant, and a rinnegan user to master that ability needs to be both hashi's and an uchiha's descendant. Do not misunderstand when I say madara's mokuton is closely to that of hashi's(sage mode techs excluded). I know madara with the rinnegan has a great part of hashi's mokuton abilities.

So how far beneath madara is hashi, really. A friend told me that no matter how powerful madara gets, hashi's still a god to him.
Thoughts......

No.Madara owns.

 

[Naijakid]

Hashirama wipes the floor with Foddera

 

[Naijakid]

No.Hashirama owns.

Fixed that for ya; no need to thank me

 

[roncato]

Now, Madara is stronger than Hashirama.

 

[Oblivionx]

madara is going to babysit hashirama next chapter...! waiting for some badassness...!

 

[GreenV]

Logically Madara IS and SHOULD BE stronger than Hashirama.

 

[Shura]

Edo Madara has Mokuton, Rinnegan, PS, Meteors. Hashicraprama has Mokuton and that Buddha of his. Rinnegan + PS + Meteors shit on the Buddha. Edo Madara > Edo Hashicraprama.

 

[KidGamer65]

PS (Madara's best technique) was getting stalemated by Mokujin. Not Hashirama's best technique. Result?

Edo Hashirama>Edo Madara. Simple as that.

 

[Naijakid]

madara is going to babysit hashirama next chapter...! waiting for some badassness...!

Wood clone>>>>>Madara

 

[Naijakid]

Edo Madara has Mokuton, Rinnegan, PS, Meteors. Hashicraprama has Mokuton and that Buddha of his. Rinnegan + PS + Meteors shit on the Buddha. Edo Madara > Edo Hashicraprama.

Kakashi>>Itachi
Naruto>>>fodder sasuke
Wood clone>>>>foddara

 

[KisuneUchiha]

PS (Madara's best technique) was getting stalemated by Mokujin. Not Hashirama's best technique. Result?

Edo Hashirama>Edo Madara. Simple as that.

Remember Madara has Rinnegan so he can summon METEORS and think logically Hashirama was in bad shape when he fought EMS Madara but now Madara has freakin' Rinnegan and Mokuton...

 

[Shura]

Kakashi>>Itachi
Naruto>>>fodder sasuke
Wood clone>>>>foddara

You seem like an intelligent person.


#SarcasmInCaseYourLittleBrainDoesn'tAllowYouToNoticeIt

 

[KidGamer65]

Remember Madara has Rinnegan so he can summon METEORS and think logically Hashirama was in bad shape when he fought EMS Madara but now Madara has freakin' Rinnegan and Mokuton...

Meteors=Fodder to PS and Shinsuusenju. A Meteor was only half as big as PS, Shinsuusenju towers over PS so it'd easily smack those meteors away.

lol, that's not thinking logically. He was in bad shape when he fought EMS Madara w/Kyuubi, now he has lost Kyuubi and gained Mokuton, which is worthless in a fight against Hashirama and has gained Rinnegan.

 

[Naijakid]

You seem like an intelligent person.


#SarcasmInCaseYourLittleBrainDoesn'tAllowYouToNoticeIt

Naruto>> fodder sasuke
Wood clone>>>>Foddara
1k hands>>>>all akatsuki

#ifyou'remaddoyourselfafavorandstaymad

 

[Bronze]

EMS Madara was equal to Prime Hashirama [

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] both of them fought to the absolute very end with them being nearly in the verge of death [

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and not only that, Madara was only fighting for the DNA[

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so was Madara wasn't even fighting serious at all, but Hashirama used all of his strongest techniques including the buddah which Madara destroyed single handedly[

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now that Madara had obtained his power which he can use at the same level to Hashirama as well as Rinnegan, so Madara is now equal to SO6P [

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so by now Madara is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Hashirama who is now fodder to him just like the gokage.

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Madara > Hashirama low-mid diff at best

 

[RikudouMadara]

Well.....the power and scale of the Mokuton are exactly the same. Although...the mastery over them is where they differ imho. It's pretty logical to feel that Hashiramas knowledge and mastery are greater...they are his techs originally. Besides hes been using them longer. Other than that the size, power, scale....they are exactly the same. Also...your friend is incorrect...Madara always saw Hashirama as an equal...Hashirama will not ever be seen as a God by Madara. Also...imho Madara is closer to being a "God" than Hashirama...and Obito even closer than Madara.

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

hashirama>>>>>>>madara

 

[arv993]

Meteors=Fodder to PS and Shinsuusenju. A Meteor was only half as big as PS, Shinsuusenju towers over PS so it'd easily smack those meteors away.

lol, that's not thinking logically. He was in bad shape when he fought EMS Madara w/Kyuubi, now he has lost Kyuubi and gained Mokuton, which is worthless in a fight against Hashirama and has gained Rinnegan.

Wrong meteors together are bigger than ps the scan with ps next to the meteor is nothing more than a fragment. The two meteors will severely weaken shinsusenju especially if it can cause a large earthquake add in ps to finish the job madara has the edge with meteors