[Discussion] Shinji Hirako vs. Shunsui Kyoraku

[TheBrownJonin1023]

Typical fight

Scenario one:
Full Knowledge
30 meters Distance
Since both Bankai are unknown they are not a factor
No mask for Shinji
Both have their respective Lieutenants to back them up( Momo and Nanao)

Scenario Two:
Full Knowledge
10 meters distance
Shinji gets his mask
No back up this time

So who wins?

 

[The Grand Pubba]

Both Kyoraku.

He is the Capetian-Commander. There is a reason that the Grandmaster of the Sternritters went to him first.

 

[General PSX360]

Shunsui Kyoraku yayyyxd

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Both Kyoraku.

He is the Capetian-Commander. There is a reason that the Grandmaster of the Sternritters went to him first.

Yea he went to him first cuz he is the CC not because of his strength..there's no way kyoraku shikai gone beat shinji's aizen himself could not beat it without the help of his KS..so I really can't see kyoraku beating it..so I pick shinji the swords that play with ur senses are like the most dangerous.

 

[crackpot]

Depends..... Shunsui is definitely the better fighter but Shinjis shikai is so haxx (Aizen never was cut by sakanade I think most of his fight with the captains was done with Kyoka Suigetsu). But Shunsui probably knows the way Shinjis shikai works (Being CC) and with full knowledge I definitely give it to Shunsui because all he really do is block his nose to stop smelling the pollen Shinjis shikai gives off. If Shunsui doesnt inhale breathe in that stuff Shinjis shikai wont work and Shunsui will have full access to his shikai.

So Shunsui. Even if Shunsui did inhale Shinjis pollen stuff Shinji would also have to figure out the way Shunsuis zan works which is tricky in itself.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Depends..... Shunsui is definitely the better fighter but Shinjis shikai is so haxx (Aizen never was cut by sakanade I think most of his fight with the captains was done with Kyoka Suigetsu). But Shunsui probably knows the way Shinjis shikai works (Being CC) and with full knowledge I definitely give it to Shunsui because all he really do is block his nose to stop smelling the pollen Shinjis shikai gives off. If Shunsui doesnt inhale breathe in that stuff Shinjis shikai wont work and Shunsui will have full access to his shikai.

So Shunsui. Even if Shunsui did inhale Shinjis pollen stuff Shinji would also have to figure out the way Shunsuis zan works which is tricky in itself.

Lol block his nose from the smell good luck doing that for a hole fight..shinji can easily deal with kyoraku shikai if he has full knowledge and once he pulls out the mask its game over..and there's no way to figure out how it works just by useing your brain shinji clearly states that.

 

[crackpot]

Lol block his nose from the smell good luck doing that for a hole fight..shinji can easily deal with kyoraku shikai if he has full knowledge and once he pulls out the mask its game over..and there's no way to figure out how it works just by useing your brain shinji clearly states that.

Dispel it with Kido like tenran (Wind tornado thing)? He could also blow away the pollen using bushogoma..... Plenty of options for Shunsui to use..... blocking his nose isnt the only way to negate something like that. And Shunsui being the tank he is (Taking a shot to the eye like nothing and taking full brunt of Starks cero like nothing) may take Shinji's hit and react accordingly. Shunsui nor any other fighter would be able to take Shinjis shikai but there are weaknesses for every zanpakutou.

I used the option when neither had knowledge and neither knew of the others shikai and Shunsuis shikai would be tough to figure. Like when striking Shunsui when he hasnt called a colour and doesnt make any damage (Shunsui had to give hints to Stark to give him a chance.... whos to say he will do the same for Shinji?). Shunsui is very analytical and will know that as soon as Shinji attacks and notices it has reversed that it is sakanades power..... Shunsuis zan is a lot more flexible.... fickle but has a range of techniques that can be utilised.

And Shunsui is dual bladed meaning he can swing in two directions with equal precision and strength meaning he has a better chance of hitting Shinji. He could swing in the front and the back to at least make things harder for Shinji making frontal attacks very hard.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Dispel it with Kido like tenran (Wind tornado thing)? He could also blow away the pollen using bushogoma..... Plenty of options for Shunsui to use..... blocking his nose isnt the only way to negate something like that. And Shunsui being the tank he is (Taking a shot to the eye like nothing and taking full brunt of Starks cero like nothing) may take Shinji's hit and react accordingly. Shunsui nor any other fighter would be able to take Shinjis shikai but there are weaknesses for every zanpakutou.

I used the option when neither had knowledge and neither knew of the others shikai and Shunsuis shikai would be tough to figure. Like when striking Shunsui when he hasnt called a colour and doesnt make any damage (Shunsui had to give hints to Stark to give him a chance.... whos to say he will do the same for Shinji?). Shunsui is very analytical and will know that as soon as Shinji attacks and notices it has reversed that it is sakanades power..... Shunsuis zan is a lot more flexible.... fickle but has a range of techniques that can be utilised.

And Shunsui is dual bladed meaning he can swing in two directions with equal precision and strength meaning he has a better chance of hitting Shinji. He could swing in the front and the back to at least make things harder for Shinji making frontal attacks very hard.

Well shinji does not have to release it in shunsui face they could be fighting an shunsui get distracted by smoke or something an the next thing he knos shinji sword is release..that's was a cero an a cut to the eye thoes two things would not keep any captain down..

If nether has knowledge shunsui does not have a chance to me cuz he will just get caught in shinji shikai from the start..swinging in the front am the back would mean nothing everything is reversed he will just end up being cut from another direction.

 

[crackpot]

Well shinji does not have to release it in shunsui face they could be fighting an shunsui get distracted by smoke or something an the next thing he knos shinji sword is release..that's was a cero an a cut to the eye thoes two things would not keep any captain down..

If nether has knowledge shunsui does not have a chance to me cuz he will just get caught in shinji shikai from the start..swinging in the front am the back would mean nothing everything is reversed he will just end up being cut from another direction.

What? Shunsui doesnt really get distracted easily unless something crazy like idk Yama getting sliced in half or Ukitake getting stabbed. Same thing applies dispel the smoke and pollinated air with bushogoma or kido. Because Shunsui can use Bushogoma straight away. A cero from Stark would be able to keep someone down.... because he is powerful. A shot in the eye is also quite serious (Still got the wound now) peripheral vision is lost and it would hurt like a ***** yet he didnt even flinch..... that is tanking (It was also from a vollstandig meaning its power was increased).

Swinging in the front and back would definitely be hard for Shinji because Shunsui would do it at last minute so Shinji wont be able to come in from another direction and it only works backwards (Not at angles or anything like that) so Shunsui has both sides covered (Having perfect control and strength of both blades with differing distances really puts Shunsui in a good spot). Swinging from both sides really narrows down Shinjis options, and we know the effects of Sakanade only lasts for a short while because it wore off Aizen and after it wears off Shinji would need to blitz again to spin his sword again to release more pollen which would be hard because once Shunsui figures it out he wont escape from Shunsui and Shunsui wouldnt give him another shot.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

What? Shunsui doesnt really get distracted easily unless something crazy like idk Yama getting sliced in half or Ukitake getting stabbed. Same thing applies dispel the smoke and pollinated air with bushogoma or kido. Because Shunsui can use Bushogoma straight away. A cero from Stark would be able to keep someone down.... because he is powerful. A shot in the eye is also quite serious (Still got the wound now) peripheral vision is lost and it would hurt like a ***** yet he didnt even flinch..... that is tanking (It was also from a vollstandig meaning its power was increased).

Swinging in the front and back would definitely be hard for Shinji because Shunsui would do it at last minute so Shinji wont be able to come in from another direction and it only works backwards (Not at angles or anything like that) so Shunsui has both sides covered (Having perfect control and strength of both blades with differing distances really puts Shunsui in a good spot). Swinging from both sides really narrows down Shinjis options, and we know the effects of Sakanade only lasts for a short while because it wore off Aizen and after it wears off Shinji would need to blitz again to spin his sword again to release more pollen which would be hard because once Shunsui figures it out he wont escape from Shunsui and Shunsui wouldnt give him another shot.

I'm saying if a building wer to get destroyed an dust got got in his face something that cut off his vision from shinji if shinji shoots out a cero or some type of kido an kyoraku losses sight an then bam shinji has his shikai out and it's already to late to to react to it...an no thoes wer just normal cero he wer shooting that would not keep no captain down for long..like byakuya he sliced his own leg an arm bad to the point where he could not even use them an acted as if it was nothing an could still flash step..captains are just tough.

Shinji says up an down front an back,even where you look even where you swing is all backwards..shinji could come from the front the flash step above kyoraku..shinji could easily just keep flash stepping around kyoraku an throw him off..after reading the manga again, it never wore off aizen just got used to it shunsui is not smart like aizen so I doubt he would figure it out so quick.

 

[crackpot]

I'm saying if a building wer to get destroyed an dust got got in his face something that cut off his vision from shinji if shinji shoots out a cero or some type of kido an kyoraku losses sight an then bam shinji has his shikai out and it's already to late to to react to it...an no thoes wer just normal cero he wer shooting that would not keep no captain down for long..like byakuya he sliced his own leg an arm bad to the point where he could not even use them an acted as if it was nothing an could still flash step..captains are just tough.

Shinji says up an down front an back,even where you look even where you swing is all backwards..shinji could come from the front the flash step above kyoraku..shinji could easily just keep flash stepping around kyoraku an throw him off..after reading the manga again, it never wore off aizen just got used to it shunsui is not smart like aizen so I doubt he would figure it out so quick.

You are talking about different scenarios taking place as if it would happen and that Shinji would do exactly that, which in most likely hood would not happen. If we are talking about scenarios then Shunsui could just use kage oni and hop into a different shadow and hide and completely evade Shinjis shikai. If we keep talking about scenarios that we make up it will get no-where. Shunsui can counter Shinjis shikai with his bushogoma that is that.

But this cero was from Stark.... The primera and someone who specializes in cero it would definitely hurt a captain, it was from point blank as well, so he had the full frontal force unleashed on himself.

Yes it is all very nice explaining that but it still is only two options: Shunsui sees Shinji coming from the front, but he is actually coming from the back Shunsui can still use his other sword to block it from where it is really coming because Shunsui has perfect control of both and can measure the distances. After Shunsui gets hit a few times from Shinjis shikai he will figure it out, Shunsui is battle savvy and very quick to catch onto things... He also knows how to think like his enemy because he can read people very well..... Look at the most recent chapter Shunsui knew they were gonna blitz and had set up a lot of traps for counter measures.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

You are talking about different scenarios taking place as if it would happen and that Shinji would do exactly that, which in most likely hood would not happen. If we are talking about scenarios then Shunsui could just use kage oni and hop into a different shadow and hide and completely evade Shinjis shikai. If we keep talking about scenarios that we make up it will get no-where. Shunsui can counter Shinjis shikai with his bushogoma that is that.

But this cero was from Stark.... The primera and someone who specializes in cero it would definitely hurt a captain, it was from point blank as well, so he had the full frontal force unleashed on himself.

Yes it is all very nice explaining that but it still is only two options: Shunsui sees Shinji coming from the front, but he is actually coming from the back Shunsui can still use his other sword to block it from where it is really coming because Shunsui has perfect control of both and can measure the distances. After Shunsui gets hit a few times from Shinjis shikai he will figure it out, Shunsui is battle savvy and very quick to catch onto things... He also knows how to think like his enemy because he can read people very well..... Look at the most recent chapter Shunsui knew they were gonna blitz and had set up a lot of traps for counter measures.

I'm just saying in a fight people sometimes lose sight of one another it happens alot in these amines..can he counter shinji mist stuff with bushogoma how do we kno the smell won't still be around after the fact?

Naw stark cero looked to regular he won't doing no big ceros just like stark told love an rose normal ceros won't gone really do nothing to them that's why he brought out thoes wolves..it's just the fact he could fire out alot at a time that's what made him so dangerous..anyway yea kyoraku is tougher than most I guess he even took that cut from stark when they are playing that color game.

So ur telling me shunsui will be able to block shinji attack without looking?..after he gets hit a few times? The only reason shinji did not cut off aizen head from the start was because its an anime now in this scenario it's just a fight where everything goes so kyoraku might not be alive after a few hits...an no shunsui just knew they were going to come back so he set up gross befor hand..everybody knew they were comeing back they just did not know when..

And once his mask goes on it will turn to a different ball game.

 

[Moe22]

I say Shinji. Even Aizen didn't react fast enough to cover his nose. There is no reason to believe Shunsui has seen it before. Now think about it. A man who is blind in one eye, stuck in a dimension where everything is inversed. Sounds quite difficult if you ask me. Shinji is one of the strongest captains and one of the reasons he wasn't chosen as Captain Commander is because he might secretly still hold some ill will against the Gotei 13.

 

[crackpot]

I'm just saying in a fight people sometimes lose sight of one another it happens alot in these amines..can he counter shinji mist stuff with bushogoma how do we kno the smell won't still be around after the fact?

Naw stark cero looked to regular he won't doing no big ceros just like stark told love an rose normal ceros won't gone really do nothing to them that's why he brought out thoes wolves..it's just the fact he could fire out alot at a time that's what made him so dangerous..anyway yea kyoraku is tougher than most I guess he even took that cut from stark when they are playing that color game.

So ur telling me shunsui will be able to block shinji attack without looking?..after he gets hit a few times? The only reason shinji did not cut off aizen head from the start was because its an anime now in this scenario it's just a fight where everything goes so kyoraku might not be alive after a few hits...an no shunsui just knew they were going to come back so he set up gross befor hand..everybody knew they were comeing back they just did not know when..

And once his mask goes on it will turn to a different ball game.

Are you aware that to smell something that drifts with the wind it is like smoke and would be affected by drastic changes in wind speed and direction. Smell is really just water vapour drifting through the atmosphere.

Yes those wolves severely wounded them but most captains wouldnt brush off ceros from the primera like nothing.

Shunsui still has access to vision doesnt he? He can see Shinji incoming for an attack and can therefore gauge where to block from both sides. If he is only focusing on Shinji and Shinji alone then I think Shunsui can handle it because there are only two options for him to block front or back which he can cover with both blades. Now if there were more than just Shinji alone like a team fight that is when Shinjis shikai would be perfect because there would be so many variables.

Shinji had to use his mask to fight Grimjoww. He was in base but so was grimjoww and Grimjoww was missing an arm, which apparently reduced his fighting power or reiatsu so much that he lost his position as 6th espada. Shikai Shunsui also has reiatsu comparable to the first espada because of the fact that he could cut through his hierro and fight with him equally in base.

@Moe22
Shunsui is actually the perfect person for CC. He has respect from a lot of captains and most of all is able to stop quarrelling amongst them. The CC has to be the one person that everyone listens to and respects and right now SS morale is up and Shunsui has prepared an offensive. This was most shown in chapter 515 when there was discord and while Shinji, Ukitake and Komamura were all there (Three people who have good leadership and respect) They didnt do anything except watch... Komamura made things worse, than Shunsui came in and settled everything easily. Thats one of the reasons he was made CC.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are you aware that to smell something that drifts with the wind it is like smoke and would be affected by drastic changes in wind speed and direction. Smell is really just water vapour drifting through the atmosphere.

Yes those wolves severely wounded them but most captains wouldnt brush off ceros from the primera like nothing.

Shunsui still has access to vision doesnt he? He can see Shinji incoming for an attack and can therefore gauge where to block from both sides. If he is only focusing on Shinji and Shinji alone then I think Shunsui can handle it because there are only two options for him to block front or back which he can cover with both blades. Now if there were more than just Shinji alone like a team fight that is when Shinjis shikai would be perfect because there would be so many variables.

Shinji had to use his mask to fight Grimjoww. He was in base but so was grimjoww and Grimjoww was missing an arm, which apparently reduced his fighting power or reiatsu so much that he lost his position as 6th espada. Shikai Shunsui also has reiatsu comparable to the first espada because of the fact that he could cut through his hierro and fight with him equally in base.

@Moe22
Shunsui is actually the perfect person for CC. He has respect from a lot of captains and most of all is able to stop quarrelling amongst them. The CC has to be the one person that everyone listens to and respects and right now SS morale is up and Shunsui has prepared an offensive. This was most shown in chapter 515 when there was discord and while Shinji, Ukitake and Komamura were all there (Three people who have good leadership and respect) They didnt do anything except watch... Komamura made things worse, than Shunsui came in and settled everything easily. Thats one of the reasons he was made CC.

BUshogoma is not a constant wind that sticks around its fast an it just goes straight so I'm pretty sure the smell will still be around and it's not something you can see but only smell an it comes from more than just one direction.

Man idk like I said captains are just tough komomaru took some pretty mean blows against tosen an then continued to fight with aizen right after. There are only two captains that I see being hit by stark cero an seriously getting hurt an that's hitsugiya an soi fon but I even dout thoes to would stay down long off just one cero.

I'm saying thoe you think kyoraku can block shinji attack without looking at him cuz remember even where your looking is backwards?.

He did not have to use his mask he was just trying to get things over with quickly as you can see even though grimmjow had one arm he was being greatly over powered ulquiorra saved his life ..I mean like love an rose was putting up a better fight than kyoraku an ukitake was they actually hit starkk even though he was firing off all thoes ceros.

 

[crackpot]

BUshogoma is not a constant wind that sticks around its fast an it just goes straight so I'm pretty sure the smell will still be around and it's not something you can see but only smell an it comes from more than just one direction.

Man idk like I said captains are just tough komomaru took some pretty mean blows against tosen an then continued to fight with aizen right after. There are only two captains that I see being hit by stark cero an seriously getting hurt an that's hitsugiya an soi fon but I even dout thoes to would stay down long off just one cero.

I'm saying thoe you think kyoraku can block shinji attack without looking at him cuz remember even where your looking is backwards?.

He did not have to use his mask he was just trying to get things over with quickly as you can see even though grimmjow had one arm he was being greatly over powered ulquiorra saved his life ..I mean like love an rose was putting up a better fight than kyoraku an ukitake was they actually hit starkk even though he was firing off all thoes ceros.

But Shunsui only has to use it and it will dispel the air sending it in all different directions and what you would smell is also a parcel of the air ... Bushogoma is really a move to create a distraction and impair his opponents vision. And from what we know Shinji doesnt actually control the pollen so any wind in the area would also affect his shikai.

It was a point blank cero and they are very strong beams at that. They arent so weak that captains can tank them all nilly willy. They are hollows main form of ranged attack and are extremely effective. I dont underestimate cero at all and do think they are very powerful, a lot of captains wouldnt really be able to hold up to a point blank cero from Stark. Because it may only be a cero but he also has the most reiatsu therefore having the most reiatsu condensed into one cero therefore dealing the most damage out of all the espada. The only captains I see tanking it are Shunsui, Zaraki, Komamura, Byakuya (He has shown good durability feats). The others havent shown much to me or maybe im missing something. Shinji used his mask because Grimjoww was destructive and dangerous, he said it himself therefore meaning he was a dangerous opponent. Even without an arm and losing his position as sixth he made Shinji use his hollow mask.

Yeah I get what you are saying about what Shunsui sees is backwards, but Shunsui can still see him and as long he has vision of Shinji he can block where he thinks Shinji is going to hit him but with the other sword cover the area that Shinji will actually attack. Because Shunsui will basically be looking into a mirror and even if it is reversed Shunsui can position his other sword the exact his first one is placed.

And Rose and Love actually worked together and fought unanimously. Shunsui and Ukitake didnt fight together once, Ukitake only deflected like 3 ceros and was out. Shunsui really fought Stark on his own and did a really good job seeing as Shunsui was disadvantaged.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

But Shunsui only has to use it and it will dispel the air sending it in all different directions and what you would smell is also a parcel of the air ... Bushogoma is really a move to create a distraction and impair his opponents vision. And from what we know Shinji doesnt actually control the pollen so any wind in the area would also affect his shikai.

It was a point blank cero and they are very strong beams at that. They arent so weak that captains can tank them all nilly willy. They are hollows main form of ranged attack and are extremely effective. I dont underestimate cero at all and do think they are very powerful, a lot of captains wouldnt really be able to hold up to a point blank cero from Stark. Because it may only be a cero but he also has the most reiatsu therefore having the most reiatsu condensed into one cero therefore dealing the most damage out of all the espada. The only captains I see tanking it are Shunsui, Zaraki, Komamura, Byakuya (He has shown good durability feats). The others havent shown much to me or maybe im missing something. Shinji used his mask because Grimjoww was destructive and dangerous, he said it himself therefore meaning he was a dangerous opponent. Even without an arm and losing his position as sixth he made Shinji use his hollow mask.

Yeah I get what you are saying about what Shunsui sees is backwards, but Shunsui can still see him and as long he has vision of Shinji he can block where he thinks Shinji is going to hit him but with the other sword cover the area that Shinji will actually attack. Because Shunsui will basically be looking into a mirror and even if it is reversed Shunsui can position his other sword the exact his first one is placed.

And Rose and Love actually worked together and fought unanimously. Shunsui and Ukitake didnt fight together once, Ukitake only deflected like 3 ceros and was out. Shunsui really fought Stark on his own and did a really good job seeing as Shunsui was disadvantaged.

Like I said befor the smell will most likely be around after the fact that tec passes threw very fast an its not that big an besides shinji can still keep letting more if the pollen out.

Unohana,Yamamoto,shinji,rose,kensi would all tank one cero..even myuri would as well he's not the type to really get hurt user him tanking it aswell also ukitake would..an tanking something is when you get hit an continue to fight please show me how right after being hit by that cero that kyoraku continued to fight cuz to me he fell from the sky an did not move for a long time as much time as he took to get off the ground any captain would have been good to fight again with that amout of rest...an that is not the reason shinji put his mask on he was just stating the fact that grimmjow was being reckless he put the mask on just to get rid of him quick.

Idk if shunsui can just block an attack without looking he can try to cover the area where he thinks shinji is going to attack but will that be enough shinji can change the direction he swings his sword left and right are also backwards.

Um no they did fight together every time ukitake shot his cero back at him kyoraku tried a sneak attack..they even had kyoraku go in first an once stark shot a cero out kyoraku would move out the way an let ukitake absorb it an shoot it back..an when stark had his cero gun out mostly love fought him till he switch to the wolves.

 

[crackpot]

Like I said befor the smell will most likely be around after the fact that tec passes threw very fast an its not that big an besides shinji can still keep letting more if the pollen out.

Unohana,Yamamoto,shinji,rose,kensi would all tank one cero..even myuri would as well he's not the type to really get hurt user him tanking it aswell also ukitake would..an tanking something is when you get hit an continue to fight please show me how right after being hit by that cero that kyoraku continued to fight cuz to me he fell from the sky an did not move for a long time as much time as he took to get off the ground any captain would have been good to fight again with that amout of rest...an that is not the reason shinji put his mask on he was just stating the fact that grimmjow was being reckless he put the mask on just to get rid of him quick.

Idk if shunsui can just block an attack without looking he can try to cover the area where he thinks shinji is going to attack but will that be enough shinji can change the direction he swings his sword left and right are also backwards.

Um no they did fight together every time ukitake shot his cero back at him kyoraku tried a sneak attack..they even had kyoraku go in first an once stark shot a cero out kyoraku would move out the way an let ukitake absorb it an shoot it back..an when stark had his cero gun out mostly love fought him till he switch to the wolves.

That is the thing Shunsui wouldnt let Shinji let out more pollen. The only time we see Shinji let out pollen is when he is standing there with his blade spinning. Once the effect wears off Shinji wont be able to escape Shunsui because Shunsui has way better speed feats. We havent seen Shinji let off pollen while he is fighting so we cant say he can. Bushogoma is a violent wind attack that moves at a high speed, it will send the pollen flying off into different directions. Particles in the air are extremely light and the slightest breeze can change its characteristics.

Well I didnt say Yama cos he is dead..... Love, Rose and Unohana I can accept. Mayuri is a freak so yeah, but Ukitakes health is what holds him down, he cant fight for long durations and his sickness is his undoing. We dont know how long Shunsui was on the ground, but we know that Lisa came down and kicked Shunsui and told him to stop pretending to be knocked out. It is safe to say that Shunsui was waiting for an opportunity to strike Stark.

What Shunsui can do with Shinji is up to debate, but I am interested to see how quincy will put up against Shinjis shikai, because I do think he would have used it against the quincy he fought and he still got beat up. There is a definite weakness to it it could be some of the things I said or something different.

Ukitake redirected 3 ceros then Shunsui tried to get a sneak attack. That was one thing they did together.... The rest was in the anime. Love did fight Stark on his own at one point.... But Stark actually did nothing, he was just dodging attacks and let off 3 shots that were deflected by Loves huge Shikai. Love actually got a hit on Stark but it didnt do any damage because Starks Hierro was too strong, there were no scuffles or anything.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

That is the thing Shunsui wouldnt let Shinji let out more pollen. The only time we see Shinji let out pollen is when he is standing there with his blade spinning. Once the effect wears off Shinji wont be able to escape Shunsui because Shunsui has way better speed feats. We havent seen Shinji let off pollen while he is fighting so we cant say he can. Bushogoma is a violent wind attack that moves at a high speed, it will send the pollen flying off into different directions. Particles in the air are extremely light and the slightest breeze can change its characteristics.

Well I didnt say Yama cos he is dead..... Love, Rose and Unohana I can accept. Mayuri is a freak so yeah, but Ukitakes health is what holds him down, he cant fight for long durations and his sickness is his undoing. We dont know how long Shunsui was on the ground, but we know that Lisa came down and kicked Shunsui and told him to stop pretending to be knocked out. It is safe to say that Shunsui was waiting for an opportunity to strike Stark.

What Shunsui can do with Shinji is up to debate, but I am interested to see how quincy will put up against Shinjis shikai, because I do think he would have used it against the quincy he fought and he still got beat up. There is a definite weakness to it it could be some of the things I said or something different.

Ukitake redirected 3 ceros then Shunsui tried to get a sneak attack. That was one thing they did together.... The rest was in the anime. Love did fight Stark on his own at one point.... But Stark actually did nothing, he was just dodging attacks and let off 3 shots that were deflected by Loves huge Shikai. Love actually got a hit on Stark but it didnt do any damage because Starks Hierro was too strong, there were no scuffles or anything.

The effect really don't wear off unless you figure it out like aizen did witch I doubt kyoraku will do so quickly...even if it does wear off sence shinji knos kyoraku shikai an the way it works this fight will be even out he will be on his guard for all his tecs..better speed feats? Where an how?....yea it's a wind tec but it just goes by fast smell will still be around like I said the smell will be all around him not just in front of him.

Ukitake can't fight for a long time? I need proof of that...the only reason he was down for the count in the aizen fight was because he had a hand/arm shoved threw his torso that's way worst than being hit by a cero....an it don't matter if he was pretending he showed no sings of tanking it he could have been hurt when hit but shortly after the pain went away but he still fell from the sky so he did not tank it.

Shinji got beat up please show me how?..the only weakness I see is to mess up his senses or have an attack that comes from all angles at once or do what aizen did an get used to it witch I don't see how he did that in such short time.

Love still landed a hit I don't see stark putting up a good fight against love an rose with that cero gun like he did with kyoraku an ukitake.

 

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The effect really don't wear off unless you figure it out like aizen did witch I doubt kyoraku will do so quickly...even if it does wear off sence shinji knos kyoraku shikai an the way it works this fight will be even out he will be on his guard for all his tecs..better speed feats? Where an how?....yea it's a wind tec but it just goes by fast smell will still be around like I said the smell will be all around him not just in front of him.

Ukitake can't fight for a long time? I need proof of that...the only reason he was down for the count in the aizen fight was because he had a hand/arm shoved threw his torso that's way worst than being hit by a cero....an it don't matter if he was pretending he showed no sings of tanking it he could have been hurt when hit but shortly after the pain went away but he still fell from the sky so he did not tank it.

Shinji got beat up please show me how?..the only weakness I see is to mess up his senses or have an attack that comes from all angles at once or do what aizen did an get used to it witch I don't see how he did that in such short time.

Love still landed a hit I don't see stark putting up a good fight against love an rose with that cero gun like he did with kyoraku an ukitake.

No it wore off. You dont have to figure it out it for the effects to wear off, Aizen didnt use any kido to dispel it or anything it just dissapeared. The pollen has to come around from somewhere and that is his sword. If Shunsui just aims it at Shinji it will dispel it. You know that if Shunsui blows it with wind that the smell will go with it. Did you not read what I just said that the smell is a parcel of the air and if it is disrupted it will scatter.

You want proof of Ukitake not fighting being able to fight for a long time? Here take it:

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Shunsui was pretending and wasnt really hurt other than a few scuffles. He was waiting for an opening created by Love and Rose to use Kage oni and perform a sneak attack. The same way Stark used Wonderweiss as a distraction and opening to perform a sneak attack on Shunsui. He tanked it and stalked his prey until the perfect moment.

Here Shinji has a patch on his eye:

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He was defeated by the quincy and I am sure he used his shikai because the quincy are far too strong for the Shinigami in base.

Shunsui is very analytical much like Aizen and after a while of Shinji using his shikai Shunsui would figure it out.

Barragan had just died and Love said that Stark was the kind to get demoralized, So Stark wasnt moving as fast so Love was able to get the hit. It wasnt until Lillynette told him to fight because it was the only thing he could do that he went on to mess up Love and Rose.