Is this a troll thread? Onoki wins low difficulty by feats.
nope. Other way around. Only feat onoki has to end this fight is jinton, all his other jutsu are quite useless. Hiruzen has this by feats.
What the hell?
Onoki god stomps,
BTW Kakuzu is older than both of them >.> Get at me
Yes, kakuzu would beat them both, but this isn't a fight concerning him. He isn't even affected by old age like them.
Come on now...:|
You can't be serious. What move does Hiruzen have to disrupt the Jinton of a flying Onoki before it launches? He most definitely isn't dodging it either, so get that idea out of your head.
Also, lol if you think Jinton is the only thing in Onoki's arsenal that matters here. Rock Golem is enough for him, Jinton isn't even needed. He can alter the weight of other objects via his golems contact with the target, so if it touches Enma, Hiruzen isn't using it any more, then the golem proceeds to smash him.
Onoki clearly wins this low difficulty, you'd be crazy to say Hiruzen takes this. Dragon Flame Bombs, Shuriken and Enma aren't enough to even push Onoki to mid or high diff let alone beat him.
@bold: I'll definitely need a scan of onoki doing Remote weight manipulation. I've never ever seen him manipulate weight indirectly IIRC.
let me entertain you now.
Onoki
First of all, we must understand onoki and his capabilities. Onoki has 5 jutsu;
Jinton - he has a maximum of almost 10 if he uses no other jutsu, and it materializes anything on contact
Rock golem - A massive, mobile being made of rock
Weight manipulation jutsu -
upon contact with a target onoki is able to either increase their weight, or decrease their weight
Mobile Core jutsu -
Upon contact with the ground onoki is able to either decrease, or increase the elevation of the landscape at any point he chooses.
Rock bushin - clones made from rock.
Out of all these jutsu, Jinton and clones are the only useful ones. Mobile core is useless for obvious reasons, so is weight manipulation and the golem for reasons i'll state soon.
Now, the first claim you made is that hiruzen can't dodge jinton. This is plain out foolish, since hiruzen is very agile[
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], having monkey like reflexes. Jintons have a charge time, and once jinton's spotted, hiruzen knows to instantly initiate a dodge or a counter attack.
Hiruzen has a few options for a counter attack. If onoki is close enough, hiruzen could simply extend him, as enma extends rather quickly. If onoki is quite far, a simply
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would do the trick. Once onoki has fired off the shadow shuriken, it matters not if onoki has enough time to finish his jinton attack since, he'd be so far away (again, because he was so far that shuriken were used over enma as a tactic) that hiruzen could also begin to run away from his position to attempt to dodge. Even if onoki drags the jinton, he'd be leaving himself open to the incoming shuriken. let's not forget that hiruzen has
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, therefore he's survived it's use before.
That was only the defence to jinton. Let me move onto the defence to rock golem.
Rock golem is slow. Furthermore, Hiruzen possesses enma which is more than a viable counter to the rock Golem. Simply put, Enma is able to
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. The rock golem would never become a threat and, if onoki ever attempted to touch enma(to weight him) he'd be
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The problem for onoki is that he constantly needs to waste chakra to fight, whereas hiruzen can make enma do 90% of the work while he does is swing enma, or distract onoki etc.
The point that completely ends this fight is that enma is able
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in staff(swing/move himself in staff form), or ape form completely independent of hiruzen. That means that enma would be able to assault onoki in the air, while hiruzen used ground based assaults and distractions in the form of Fire jutsu and tossing shuriken. If onoki were to use bushin, he'd only be dwindling his chakra reserves since they'd easily be disposed of, while any tight situation for hiruzen could be overcome with shadow clone distraction. Hiruzen would be using far less chakra and stamina to attack and defend, allowing him to win any possible battle of attrition. Onoki would never be able to get off a jinton during the constant onslaught from enma.
Through all those high speed agile movements(dodging),
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and he'd be left a sitting duck.
Hiruzen wins Mid/High diff.
