While near death cause of his sickness Kimimaro survived being buried in 200 m (Or was it only 100??) sand which means he had at least 250 tons of sand weighting down upon him. WHILE NEAR DEATH he could survive that!!
Healthy Kimimaro would probably be one of the tankiest characters in the series. Domu would deal some minor damage at best.
OT: Could go both ways in my opinion. If Kimimaro really was as sick as it sounded like (Kabuto was surprised that he could move and Kimimaro said that he moved with pure willpower) then I actually see him winning this one as his prime would just be ridiculously strong.
However it wouldn't be easy for him, probably high diff.
This was posted by me quite some time back so i just tidied it up and added a few things here and there... Same outcome regardless.
Kimimaro wins this. High diff. Med diff. It doesn't matter, he still wins.
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Kakuzu's Speed
From these two scans[
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He has also demonstrated some
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, although this can be chocked up to the fact that he contained the element of surprise with this attack. Even so, his speed here cannot be overlooked.
Kakuzu's Defence
Domu: This jutsu allows him to harden his skin to extreme degrees. His skin becomes virtually impenetrable. This jutsu has two downsides, however, lightning release is able to penetrate it and there's a loss of mobility in the hardened body part.
Kakuzu also contains a total of 5 hearts, which essentially give him 5 hearts that must be destroyed to kill him. But, Each of his hearts are not impervious to damage and
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It is also possible to kill kakuzu directly to eliminate one of his hearts. If this were the case, and he did not have his masks in him, one of the masks would have to recombine with his body to revive him.
Kakuzu's Offence
Kakuzu is able to use all five nature release + a Fire-Air combination jutsu. [
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All very impressive abilities, but as can be seen, they were all dogged. The most dangerous attacks to kimimaro would be the lightning and fire attacks, and as we can see, the fire attack was dodged easily by everyone, including fat chouji. The reason these attacks are the most dangerous to him is that they cause more than a 'force' damage; They create burns and shocks. The burns from the fire could heat kimimaro's internals enough to potentially kill him, even through the bone armor. The shock from the lightning attacks could cause nerve severe nerve damage which could intern cause a cardiac arrest or other internal shock injuries. The air mask creates high pressure, and as I'll soon discuss, kimimaro is able to withstand tremendous pressure. Even if the air were to rip his skin apart, the fact that it would not be able to get past the underlying bone makes it ineffective. Kimimaro has shown time and time again to survive his skin being blasted off. The water mask (abilities never shown, therefore can't be brought into this debate anyway), would most likely create some sort of impact damage from the wave blast. This sort of phsycal damage, will again, not hurt kimimaro. However, all of this is unlikely to kill him, regardless, due to kimimaro's incredible healing which most likely extends past his skin and bone down to his organs; after all, he does regenerate cells, since that's the only way he'd regerate from wounds
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And the most controversal of them all.
Read the and study the images properly.
In the first image, the fire is within point blank range of kakashi, there have been no signs that he's actually started his water jutsu yet. All we see is a fire at kakashi's face and, what appears to be, him either starting to jump back or flung back by the force of the blast.
Next. We see kakashi in the air a conciderable distance from the attack. He's moved a considerable distance already. He is further away in his jump than he was on the ground, and now is the point he uses the water jutsu. He realises that water isn't going to work and is still able to jump once again at a much faster speed than the jutsu is able to move.
The final page shows kakuzu flanking kakashi while his fire is in the background. Notice the distance kakashi has covered again. This shows that this attack is also not that quick. Infact, the 'quickest' attack would probably be the wind one but that's because it was point blank due to hidan's combination assistance.
As far as i'm aware, these masks have shown zero taijutsu prowess. In order to get within point blank range of their target, they need to either have a distraction, be quicker than the opponent, or be a more skilled taijutsu fighter than the opponent, which is all not the case in this match up.
He's also able to use his threads to extend his limbs for long ranged taijutsu attacks, or directly use his chakra threads to attempt to restrain or steal a persons' heart. But, He won't be able to pierce through kimimaro's bone, with his thread, to steal a heart. Nothing states that his threads are strong enough for such a feat, especially considering kimimaro's bone is far harder than regular bone, to the point where it could block chakra enhanced blades, which casually pen
He is also able to
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from his body so that their fight as a seperate entity allowing him to out number his enemies.
Or, he can keep the masks within his body and enter his '
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In this form, he's able to attack with his threads and his masks to form combination attacks.
And, honestly, I'm not sure of a defence against his threads. In this form he really is pretty incredible. The best defence kimimaro has against this is his seedling fern. His best bet would be to hide within his surroundings and away from the threads.
Kimimaro's Abilties
Kimimaro is a fighter who has a special keikei genkei which allows him to manipulate the osteoclastes and osteoblasts of his bones. This allows him to control the density of his bone to make them incredibly hard, and to also create bones to use as weapons. He has also shown the ability to heal from wounds. To what degree he contains this ability is unknown.
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Kimimaro was also strong enough to take on the sound 4 effortlessly, showing a significant level of skill. Kimimaro also has an earth curse seal. Alongside the heaven curse seal, it is the strongest curse seal offered by orochimaru.
He is able to manipulate his bones as he see fits. Even able to protrude them from any part of his body at will to create a defence.
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Kimimaro also has 5 basic dances. Each dance revolving around the use of his bones. In taijutsu, close ranged combat, this makes kimimaro extremely lethal to anyone. He is able to create an offence and a defence.
But, Though he is primarily taijutsu based, he also contains a mid-long raged jutsu. He is able to fire off his phalanges at high speed. This offers him a way to attack the masks and break them from a distance, especially since they were
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Futhermore, In CS-V2 mode kimimaro is offered a significant strength boost. With only a simple tackle he was able to
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gaara's absolute defence.
Though, With this form, he's able to use another of his dances;
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which is able to restrain an enemy
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; A spear with incredible power. Able to create a significant dent in shukaku ultimate defence, which was enhanced with the use of the hardest minerals in the ground.
Though domu can survive these moves, the masks, individually, can't.
Finally, kimimaro's ultimate move:
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, which will pierce anything in it's way. Unless kakuzu already has his masks inside him, they will get destroyed by this attack. This attack was able to rise 200m underground, then a further – at least –
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, as can be deduced from the size of kimimaro with respect to the bone. Note that the entire length of the bone isn't shown, therefore it can be deduced that it can easily extend 250m into the air.
*NB: People love to use Kabuto's usage of the jutsu as some sort of reference. This is idiotic, don't do it. Kabuto isn't the original jutsu user, along with the fact that there is no evidence suggesting any of the sound 4's attacks were being enhanced by his Sage mode, whereas Kimimaro's attacks are being enhanced by Cursed Seal version 2, a pseudo-sage mode.
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at his own will to sneak up on his opponents.
Kimimaro's Speed/taijutsu
Kimimaro was fast enough to effortlessly combat with hundreds, if not thousands of naruto clones
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For reference, this is somewhat how fast naruto, infused with ninetail chakra, was back then.
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Fast enough to out pace a two tomoe sharingan, and warrant a three tomoe sharingan in order to keep up with his incredible speed. Yet, kimimaro was able to stand against hundreds of these without sustaining a single blow.
Kimimaro's speed extends to rock lee where he was able to keep up with rock lee effortlessly and we know that rock lee is an incredibly speedy ninja, offered a 4 in the databook. Yet, he was also unable to land a single blow in taijutsu combat. His speed, agility and taijutsu ability was even commended by lee. Lee was only able to put a bit of pressure on kimimaro when he was drunk, but even then kimimaro was able to keep up his parrying until lee was able to get in his first hit. And, this has been base kimimaro all this time. He hadn't enhanced his speed with CS yet.
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Kimimaro's speed is superb. Along with his dexterity he is able to dodge many attacks. Even
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Kimiaro's Defence
kimimaro has shown some levels of healing (as shown in a previous image), where he's able to heal all wounds to his skin, and replace bone and the nerves encased in them( when he removed spine), but this won't be discussed further. However, he has also shown a sort of
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, which encases his entire body, under his skin. Here we see kimimaro survivng a sand coffin which is said to completely crush bone into dust, yet kimimaro walked out unscathed. Not only does this show the strength of his bone, it also shows his strength since he was able to break gaara's sand grip.
Kimimaro's Bone armor is incredibly resiliant. To the point that it was able to survive the pressure and force of all of gaara's attacks without any damage (apart from superficial skin injuries). The fact that this armor has shown the ability to survive tremendous pressure and force eliminates the possibility of kakuzu's attacks possibly breaking through it.
Using brute force, kakuzu wouldn't get past his armor. He would need to use alternative damage, such as heat and shock to injure kimimaro but, again, his healing should effortlessly counteract any effects of elemental damage. Orochimaru even goes as far as saying that this bloodline limit is
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. That's right up there with domu's hype, no?
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Kimimaro Survivng the force of a desert tsunami, then the pressure of desert ultimate burial.
Not even
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, which leads me to wonder if kakuzu's threads will be able to do such a feat. This is more impressive when we understand that 3rd Raikage had to use a 1 finger nukite to simply break gaara's sand grip.
Even when burried
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, the pressure wasn't enough to break kimimaro's bones, or restrain him.
Now, People Argue that Kimimaro won't get through domu and he can't dodge the masks. But I ask you, why not? The masks do not engage in taijutsu, leaving ample time to dodge and kimimaro has shown his skill with fighting multiple enemies at once(naruto clones).
Kimimaro is a taijutsu fighter, and the fact is that he'd engage in taijutsu combat. Kakuzu really doesn't have a means of keeping him away from arms distance, and even kakuzu himself is a taijutsu fighter. He engages with his threads and fists with his masks for elemental support. Kakuzu won't be able to freely blast away with his masks (if they're seperate) if kimimaro is keeping the distance close. This already neutralises the threat of dealing with multiple enemies because kakuzu would be putting himself at risk. Kakuzu can't afford to not immobilize himself, with domu, while kimimaro is using his dances - this already gives kimimaro the massive advantage. Fact is, kimimaro is a solid 5 for taijutsu in the databook, along with the fact that he's able to simultaneously create superb taijutsu offence and defence with his bones. If kakuzu punches, kimimaro lurches bone from his body so that kakuzu harms himself, while being able to punch kakuzu with a bone spear that he'd be unable to block and would need to dodge. Even in the case that kakuzu hardens his arm, he can't move the arm so it can only go in a linear direction. Kimimaro has shown ample skill to dodge such attacks. Then, there's domu's weakness. Assuming kakuzu has the masks out, he can't use the lightning mask while kimimaro is close or else he risks killing himself. It is clear that kimimaro is a better taijutsu fighter than kakuzu and is also faster than him. Kakuzu's only advantage is his ability to use long ranged abilities.
Now, Let's assume kakuzu started with earth grudge and all his 4 masks on his back. If he tries to restrain kimimaro, there is nothing suggesting that he would be able to contain the hold, as CS-V2 kimimaro has shown incredible feats of strength, able to break out of the toughest of binds - holding kimimaro wouldn't even prove beneficial as Kimimaro's bone completely protects him from any attempt by kakuzu to steal his heart. Worst case scenario, kimimaro does his seedling fern. Now, Kakuzu has to fight an entire bone forest where kimimaro can pop out from anywhere. In the end kakuzu most likely becomes overwhelmed, because even if he's able to destroy part of the forest, the jutsu can simple be used again.
Notice well that kimimaro's taijutsu and speed surpass kakuzu and his stamina is on par. Also take note that CS-V2 Vastly increases his strength, turning his 1 point strength disadvantage into an advantage.
Final note. Everything I've listed for kimimaro was done while he was dying, in a sick body. He pushed his body to react through sheer will power.
From these two scans[x][x] we can see that kakuzu snuck up on shikamaru. He was completely unaware, but still had the presence of mind and agility to flee. Keep in mind that they did not know where kakuzu was at all at this point.
Yes but the noise Kakuzu made alerted him to his presence, hence the ! mark over his head, as noticed in these Scan's Kakuzu's mid-short range speed is rather noteworthy actually, able to vanish from view even
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Needi brin up how he intercepted Raikiri
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which is a jutsu that requires so much speed, you need the Sharingan to utilize it, as if you miss you would be helpless to react, (don't make me get the scan.. Kakuzu's speed is rather impressive actually, hence him having a 4 in the DB
He has also demonstrated some impressive speed, although this can be chocked up to the fact that he contained the element of surprise with this attack. Even so, his speed here cannot be overlooked.
Domu: This jutsu allows him to harden his skin to extreme degrees. His skin becomes virtually impenetrable. This jutsu has two downsides, however, lightning release is able to penetrate it and there's a loss of mobility in the hardened body part.
Not true actually, if he only hardens a part of his body its still able to move fine
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Actually....Nvm nows not the place
Kakuzu also contains a total of 5 hearts, which essentially give him 5 hearts that must be destroyed to kill him. But, Each of his hearts are not impervious to damage and once a mask is broken, one of his hearts die with it.
Indeed however something i would like to point out right away is that the heart MUST be the organ damaged in order for one of them to go down, his original included, as is proven right here
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Clearly the wound he suffered here would of killed anyone else, hence his original heart should be gone correct? Wrong, only the earth heart was destroyed because he pierced right through it, this fatal wound is not fatal to Kakuzu, as it did not harm his other heart
It is also possible to kill kakuzu directly to eliminate one of his hearts. If this were the case, and he did not have his masks in him, one of the masks would have to recombine with his body to revive him.
All very impressive abilities, but as can be seen, they were all dogged. The most dangerous attacks to kimimaro would be the lightning and fire attacks, and as we can see, the fire attack was dodged easily by everyone, including fat chouji. The reason these attacks are the most dangerous to him is that they cause more than a 'force' damage; They create burns and shocks. The burns from the fire could heat kimimaro's internals enough to potentially kill him, even through the bone armor. The shock from the lightning attacks could cause nerve severe nerve damage which could intern cause a cardiac arrest or other internal shock injuries. The air mask creates high pressure, and as I'll soon discuss, kimimaro is able to withstand tremendous pressure. Even if the air were to rip his skin apart, the fact that it would not be able to get past the underlying bone makes it ineffective. Kimimaro has shown time and time again to survive his skin being blasted off. The water mask (abilities never shown, therefore can't be brought into this debate anyway), would most likely create some sort of impact damage from the wave blast. This sort of phsycal damage, will again, not hurt kimimaro. However, all of this is unlikely to kill him, regardless, due to kimimaro's incredible healing which most likely extends past his skin and bone down to his organs; after all, he does regenerate cells, since that's the only way he'd regerate from wounds
*sigh* a naive first sentence i see, clearly they were only dodged due to the fact that they were fired at such a far distance, When in reality had Kakuzu not been trying to replace the heart he had lost
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The jutsu would of been fired at a much closer and lethal range so you can't merely say they were all easily dodged, up close none of them are really dodge able actually, The raiton heart is too fast, the Fuuton heart explodes when it makes contact with a surface and the wind simply covers too much of an area to avoid without seeing it coming as Kakashi did
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also he has no water heart its a myth, the heart Kakashi destroyed was an earth heart, Hence why he did not use Domu the whole fight
And the most controversal of them all.
Read the and study the images properly.
In the first image, the fire is within point blank range of kakashi, there have been no signs that he's actually started his water jutsu yet. All we see is a fire at kakashi's face and, what appears to be, him either starting to jump back or flung back by the force of the blast.
Next. We see kakashi in the air a conciderable distance from the attack. He's moved a considerable distance already. He is further away in his jump than he was on the ground, and now is the point he uses the water jutsu. He realises that water isn't going to work and is still able to jump once again at a much faster speed than the jutsu is able to move.
The final page shows kakuzu flanking kakashi while his fire is in the background. Notice the distance kakashi has covered again. This shows that this attack is also not that quick. Infact, the 'quickest' attack would probably be the wind one but that's because it was point blank due to hidan's combination assistance.
Wrong, the quickes heart is the Raiton heart, Kakashi only was able to intervene due to Sharingan Pre-cog, Its noted in the DB for its speed,
And second again the Pre-cog comes in to play here, the fact that he had Pre-cog and couldn't even avoid this jutsu is an attribute to its speed, second the Suiton clearly slowed down its momentum for a second, before it busted through, and third the Katon has to make contact before it does anything
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and then spreads upon the ground, so it takes time to initiate and then spread, its not a jutsu meant for speed, but again take into the fact that Kakuzu only wanted Kakashi's heart, and that it clearly is a much smaller version of its full potential
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as when used fully it towered over the dead tree's which were at least 10 times the size of humans, unlike how it was used formally, not to mention it spread much quicker
As far as i'm aware, these masks have shown zero taijutsu prowess. In order to get within point blank range of their target, they need to either have a distraction, be quicker than the opponent, or be a more skilled taijutsu fighter than the opponent, which is all not the case in this match up.
so that renders your whole argument moot really as Kimi has nothing to touch them ...nothing while they can spam jutsu mid-air lml but i'll counter nonetheless
He's also able to use his threads to extend his limbs for long ranged taijutsu attacks, or directly use his chakra threads to attempt to restrain or steal a persons' heart. But, He won't be able to pierce through kimimaro's bone, with his thread, to steal a heart. Nothing states that his threads are strong enough for such a feat, especially considering kimimaro's bone is far harder than regular bone, to the point where it could block chakra enhanced blades, which casually pen
True, but slicing them doesn't halt them persay, especially with such a small sword he would be overwhelmed eventually, or even just out sped as Kakashi was, who has pre-cog :|, and actually now that i think about it the threads are capable of ripping through bone obviously as they must in order to get to the heart, ...Just throwing that out there and he can still restrain him via this
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He is also able to disconnect the masks from his body so that their fight as a seperate entity allowing him to out number his enemies.
Or, he can keep the masks within his body and enter his 'grudge fear mode' so that he is able to use the masks while within him.
In this form, he's able to attack with his threads and his masks to form combination attacks.
And, honestly, I'm not sure of a defence against his threads. In this form he really is pretty incredible. The best defence kimimaro has against this is his seedling fern. His best bet would be to hide within his surroundings and away from the threads.
Kimimaro is a fighter who has a special keikei genkei which allows him to manipulate the osteoclastes and osteoblasts of his bones. This allows him to control the density of his bone to make them incredibly hard, and to also create bones to use as weapons. He has also shown the ability to heal from wounds. To what degree he contains this ability is unknown.
Just an example of him healing a wound.
Kimimaro was also strong enough to take on the sound 4 effortlessly, showing a significant level of skill. Kimimaro also has an earth curse seal. Alongside the heaven curse seal, it is the strongest curse seal offered by orochimaru.
He is able to manipulate his bones as he see fits. Even able to protrude them from any part of his body at will to create a defence.
Kimimaro also has 5 basic dances. Each dance revolving around the use of his bones. In taijutsu, close ranged combat, this makes kimimaro extremely lethal to anyone. He is able to create an offence and a defence.
But, Though he is primarily taijutsu based, he also contains a mid-long raged jutsu. He is able to fire off his phalanges at high speed. This offers him a way to attack the masks and break them from a distance, especially since they were strong enough to almost penetrate gaara's sand.
Futhermore, In CS-V2 mode kimimaro is offered a significant strength boost. With only a simple tackle he was able to break through gaara's absolute defence.
Though, With this form, he's able to use another of his dances;
dance of the clemantis: vine which is able to restrain an enemy
Dance of the clemantis: Flower; A spear with incredible power. Able to create a significant dent in shukaku ultimate defence, which was enhanced with the use of the hardest minerals in the ground.
Though domu can survive these moves, the masks, individually, can't.
Finally, kimimaro's ultimate move:
Dance of the seedling fern, which will pierce anything in it's way. Unless kakuzu already has his masks inside him, they will get destroyed by this attack. This attack was able to rise 200m underground, then a further – at least – 30m above ground, as can be deduced from the size of kimimaro with respect to the bone. Note that the entire length of the bone isn't shown, therefore it can be deduced that it can easily extend 250m into the air.
*NB: People love to use Kabuto's usage of the jutsu as some sort of reference. This is idiotic, don't do it. Kabuto isn't the original jutsu user, along with the fact that there is no evidence suggesting any of the sound 4's attacks were being enhanced by his Sage mode, whereas Kimimaro's attacks are being enhanced by Cursed Seal version 2, a pseudo-sage mode.
And, he is able to move through any of the bone stalks at his own will to sneak up on his opponents.
Kimimaro was fast enough to effortlessly combat with hundreds, if not thousands of naruto clones without sustaining a single hit. All of these clones were infused with ninetailed chakra, and hence had increased speed.
For reference, this is somewhat how fast naruto, infused with ninetail chakra, was back then.
Fast enough to out pace a two tomoe sharingan, and warrant a three tomoe sharingan in order to keep up with his incredible speed. Yet, kimimaro was able to stand against hundreds of these without sustaining a single blow.
Kimimaro's speed extends to rock lee where he was able to keep up with rock lee effortlessly and we know that rock lee is an incredibly speedy ninja, offered a 4 in the databook. Yet, he was also unable to land a single blow in taijutsu combat. His speed, agility and taijutsu ability was even commended by lee. Lee was only able to put a bit of pressure on kimimaro when he was drunk, but even then kimimaro was able to keep up his parrying until lee was able to get in his first hit. And, this has been base kimimaro all this time. He hadn't enhanced his speed with CS yet.
Kimimaro's speed is superb. Along with his dexterity he is able to dodge many attacks. Even dodging gaara's sand
Kimiaro's Defence
kimimaro has shown some levels of healing (as shown in a previous image), where he's able to heal all wounds to his skin, and replace bone and the nerves encased in them( when he removed spine), but this won't be discussed further. However, he has also shown a sort of bone armor, which encases his entire body, under his skin. Here we see kimimaro survivng a sand coffin which is said to completely crush bone into dust, yet kimimaro walked out unscathed. Not only does this show the strength of his bone, it also shows his strength since he was able to break gaara's sand grip.
Kimimaro's Bone armor is incredibly resiliant. To the point that it was able to survive the pressure and force of all of gaara's attacks without any damage (apart from superficial skin injuries). The fact that this armor has shown the ability to survive tremendous pressure and force eliminates the possibility of kakuzu's attacks possibly breaking through it.
Using brute force, kakuzu wouldn't get past his armor. He would need to use alternative damage, such as heat and shock to injure kimimaro but, again, his healing should effortlessly counteract any effects of elemental damage. Orochimaru even goes as far as saying that this bloodline limit is impenetrable and able to withstand any physical damage. That's right up there with domu's hype, no?
Kimimaro Survivng the force of a desert tsunami, then the pressure of desert ultimate burial.
Not even gaara's sand was able to restrain him, which leads me to wonder if kakuzu's threads will be able to do such a feat. This is more impressive when we understand that 3rd Raikage had to use a 1 finger nukite to simply break gaara's sand grip.
Even when burried 200m below sand, the pressure wasn't enough to break kimimaro's bones, or restrain him.
Now, People Argue that Kimimaro won't get through domu and he can't dodge the masks. But I ask you, why not? The masks do not engage in taijutsu, leaving ample time to dodge and kimimaro has shown his skill with fighting multiple enemies at once(naruto clones).
Kimimaro is a taijutsu fighter, and the fact is that he'd engage in taijutsu combat. Kakuzu really doesn't have a means of keeping him away from arms distance, and even kakuzu himself is a taijutsu fighter. He engages with his threads and fists with his masks for elemental support. Kakuzu won't be able to freely blast away with his masks (if they're seperate) if kimimaro is keeping the distance close. This already neutralises the threat of dealing with multiple enemies because kakuzu would be putting himself at risk. Kakuzu can't afford to not immobilize himself, with domu, while kimimaro is using his dances - this already gives kimimaro the massive advantage. Fact is, kimimaro is a solid 5 for taijutsu in the databook, along with the fact that he's able to simultaneously create superb taijutsu offence and defence with his bones. If kakuzu punches, kimimaro lurches bone from his body so that kakuzu harms himself, while being able to punch kakuzu with a bone spear that he'd be unable to block and would need to dodge. Even in the case that kakuzu hardens his arm, he can't move the arm so it can only go in a linear direction. Kimimaro has shown ample skill to dodge such attacks. Then, there's domu's weakness. Assuming kakuzu has the masks out, he can't use the lightning mask while kimimaro is close or else he risks killing himself. It is clear that kimimaro is a better taijutsu fighter than kakuzu and is also faster than him. Kakuzu's only advantage is his ability to use long ranged abilities.
Now, Let's assume kakuzu started with earth grudge and all his 4 masks on his back. If he tries to restrain kimimaro, there is nothing suggesting that he would be able to contain the hold, as CS-V2 kimimaro has shown incredible feats of strength, able to break out of the toughest of binds - holding kimimaro wouldn't even prove beneficial as Kimimaro's bone completely protects him from any attempt by kakuzu to steal his heart. Worst case scenario, kimimaro does his seedling fern. Now, Kakuzu has to fight an entire bone forest where kimimaro can pop out from anywhere. In the end kakuzu most likely becomes overwhelmed, because even if he's able to destroy part of the forest, the jutsu can simple be used again.
What is this saying Kakuzu is useless close Range? First off close range is the stupidest idea to go against Kakuzu
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Lmao he was able to catch a Pre-Cog user with incredible speed off guard so there is no doubt he would do the same To Kimi as well, .... If you think he can avoid this when he is attacking Kakuzu "head on" Then your foolish this then sets up mulitple was to Kill Kimi as his wrists would be restrained and his CM doesn't really do much to break out of it :| And even if it could Kakuzu's raiton would of already ripped right through him, as it was said to have incredible piercing Capability and have incredible speed not to mention i hope you realize as i said Kakuzu's hearts can fly, so its not going to be that hard to attack Kimi with jutsu even if Kakuzu is still there, as They are all tanked by his Domu except his Raiton which can be aimed to attack a singular target, not to mention Dance of the seedlign fern is countered via Flying hearts and V2 mode,
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As you can see it covers all direction's and Kakuzu has shown great reaction feats , Reacting to an ambush via Clow Feather distraction, Raikiri ....TWICE and Shikamaru's Shadow Tactic :| and surprise clones (not in the mood to get much more scans) So even if Kimi can appear from any bone ... Kakuzu still is able to react and hit him with one of these
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which can arguably pierce him if not throw him back as to then allow an oppening for his hearts to finish him but again its not getting that far
Notice well that kimimaro's taijutsu and speed surpass kakuzu and his stamina is on par. Also take note that CS-V2 Vastly increases his strength, turning his 1 point strength disadvantage into an advantage.
Final note. Everything I've listed for kimimaro was done while he was dying, in a sick body. He pushed his body to react through sheer will power.
My post already defeats yours. The DB stats which portray a sick kimimaro defeats your entire post. Fact is Kimimaro > Kakuzu in close range. Kimi has a permanent domu that never hinders his movements and blocks all kakuzu's attacks. Fights over lmfao.
My post already defeats yours. The DB stats which portray a sick kimimaro defeats your entire post. Fact is Kimimaro > Kakuzu in close range. Kimi has a permanent domu that never hinders his movements and blocks all kakuzu's attacks. Fights over lmfao.
He tanked pressure does not mean he can tank everything lmao,
Raiton rips right through him, Wind+Fire burns him to ash, literally as it only takes around 1000 degree's lmao and Wind+Fire instantly evaporated Water which i believe turns out to be hotter than that ...
And he has no way past Domu as well nor any way to touch the hearts in the air, Lmao you suggest Kakuzu is just going to sit there while he enters CQC foolish
He tanked pressure does not mean he can tank everything lmao,
Raiton rips right through him, Wind+Fire burns him to ash, literally as it only takes around 1000 degree's lmao and Wind+Fire instantly evaporated Water which i believe turns out to be hotter than that ...
And he has no way past Domu as well nor any way to touch the hearts in the air, Lmao you suggest Kakuzu is just going to sit there while he enters CQC foolish
Bro half of what you said is either useless or countered in my most already. Do i even need to counter this?
And yes, because he tanked pressure means he's tanking everything kakuzu has. Kakuzu's only deadly attack here is a piercing gian, everything else is pressure based. But, oh wait, what if gian hits? Kimimaro tanks and heals. And that's not taking into account that a SICK Kimimaro has same speed stats as kakashi :leaf:
@Bold Kimimaro has instant healing + Bone armor. He healed spinal damage (Nerves, bones, etc) and flesh(made of cells) in an instant. He tanks the raiton then heals the damage. Wind + Fire is also tanked and the damage is healed by, again, his instant healing abilities. His flesh would be roasted and he'd heal it up. Fire doesn't easily melt bone and kimi's bone > Chakra enhanced steel.
He doesn't need to get past domu because kakuzu will be immobile lmfao. What will kakuzu do? Kimimaro will just go stand by him and restrain him with dance of clemantis: vine. Kakuzu can proceed to fire all the jutsu's he can. One will break his domu, while kimimaro keeps healing the damage because, again, kimimaro has near instant healing kakuzu doesn't. Rofl. As to your point about hearts in the sky, I don't see why that'd even make sense as an argument. the hearts are instantly a non-factor as their attacks are only useful point blank, and if they come point black they'd be raped by Bone bullets. Staying in the air just makes dodging easier. Kakuzu has no choice but to be in close range, Kimimaro will force it.
Bro half of what you said is either useless or countered in my most already. Do i even need to counter this?
And yes, because he tanked pressure means he's tanking everything kakuzu has. Kakuzu's only deadly attack here is a piercing gian, everything else is pressure based. But, oh wait, what if gian hits? Kimimaro tanks and heals. And that's not taking into account that a SICK Kimimaro has same speed stats as kakashi :leaf:
@Bold Kimimaro has instant healing + Bone armor. He healed spinal damage (Nerves, bones, etc) and flesh(made of cells) in an instant. He tanks the raiton then heals the damage. Wind + Fire is also tanked and the damage is healed by, again, his instant healing abilities. His flesh would be roasted and he'd heal it up. Fire doesn't easily melt bone and kimi's bone > Chakra enhanced steel.
He doesn't need to get past domu because kakuzu will be immobile lmfao. What will kakuzu do? Kimimaro will just go stand by him and restrain him with dance of clemantis: vine. Kakuzu can proceed to fire all the jutsu's he can. One will break his domu, while kimimaro keeps healing the damage because, again, kimimaro has near instant healing kakuzu doesn't. Rofl. As to your point about hearts in the sky, I don't see why that'd even make sense as an argument. the hearts are instantly a non-factor as their attacks are only useful point blank, and if they come point black they'd be raped by Bone bullets. Staying in the air just makes dodging easier. Kakuzu has no choice but to be in close range, Kimimaro will force it.
So he can heal from being ash now LMAO No ...Just no
You didn't counter shit ... you posted false analysis of Kakuzu, Hyped Kimi to the extreme then posted a situation where Kakuzu just sits there and does nothing LMAO Its trash bro, As i've said Wind style is going to Blow Kimi away whether he can tank it or not, So that counters this whole CQC shitty argument, as Kakuzu probably has the edge in taijutsu due to his threads which act as extension of his limbs, and can easily grab a hold of Kimi, Lmao Raiton rips through him when he gets restrained which you have provided no counter ....why because he has none
Your using hype and hype alone to base your arguments
So he can heal from being ash now LMAO No ...Just no
You didn't counter shit ... you posted false analysis of Kakuzu, Hyped Kimi to the extreme then posted a situation where Kakuzu just sits there and does nothing LMAO Its trash bro, As i've said Wind style is going to Blow Kimi away whether he can tank it or not, So that counters this whole CQC shitty argument, as Kakuzu probably has the edge in taijutsu due to his threads which act as extension of his limbs, and can easily grab a hold of Kimi, Lmao Raiton rips through him when he gets restrained which you have provided no counter ....why because he has none
Your using hype and hype alone to base your arguments
He won't be ash. Where you got that from you must tell me since Hidan tanked fire, so did tsunade, and even the juubi tanked a Wind enhanced amaterasu but Kakuzu's measly flame is turning someone to ash in a second? Wtf?
Everything i said about Kakuzu is 100% accurate and everything I said about kimimaro is 100% accurate. It was simply me giving information on both of them. I'm not sure how I supposedly hyped kimimaro to the max when i effectively only used Manga scans to explain his abilities... posting manga fact is overhyping? Posting DB info of a sick guy is oveerhyping...? I know you don't want to admit kimi takes this but he does. I never once stated Kakuzu would just stand there, what i said was kimimaro would ovrpower him in CQC. You bringing up kakuzu's threads changes nothing when Kimimaro has strength to utterly disgrace Gaara's sand holds, has the dexterity to dodge anything kakuzu uses(just like kakashi and Team 10) and even fight with his own version of domu and super healing permanently on. Something kakuzu can't do. Kimimaro has such a massive damage in CQC it's unbelieveable. Kakuzu won't rip his heart out, restrain him and even if he injures him, kimimaro heals. For that matter, Kakuzu's thread aren't even durable since they can be ripped apart unlike kimi's bones that withstood the slash of a chakra enhanced blade that can rip through steel and concrete effortleslly
As to the bold... Kakuzu will endanger himself and most likely kill himself. CS V2 gives Pseudo Sage mode strength and impecable healing. Sasuke tanking C2 because of CS V2, You're telling me a gian is killing someone who's on the impressive CS-V2 defence, ontop of super healing ontop of harder than steel bone armor? That's obviously beyond retarded.
Kimimaro dodges gian (he's as fast as kakashi when sick and kakashi intercepted it)
Kimimaro tanks gian
Kimimaro Breaks out of Kakuzu's hold and escapes gian, or pulls him infront of it to die. What's your defence to clemantis vine and Spear? Nothing. Kakuzu gets pierced - CS V2 Strength > His.
Hype and hype alone... bro don't make me laugh. I posted, what, 15 manga scans of feats on both sides and even hyped kakuzu's domu and threads and gave 1 hype of kimi's armor hype just to get rid of the shitty domu tanks all arguments and i'm using hype alone? Kimi wins this.
He won't be ash. Where you got that from you must tell me since Hidan tanked fire, so did tsunade, and even the juubi tanked a Wind enhanced amaterasu but Kakuzu's measly flame is turning someone to ash in a second? Wtf?
Everything i said about Kakuzu is 100% accurate and everything I said about kimimaro is 100% accurate. It was simply me giving information on both of them. I'm not sure how I supposedly hyped kimimaro to the max when i effectively only used Manga scans to explain his abilities... posting manga fact is overhyping? Posting DB info of a sick guy is oveerhyping...? I know you don't want to admit kimi takes this but he does. I never once stated Kakuzu would just stand there, what i said was kimimaro would ovrpower him in CQC. You bringing up kakuzu's threads changes nothing when Kimimaro has strength to utterly disgrace Gaara's sand holds, has the dexterity to dodge anything kakuzu uses(just like kakashi and Team 10) and even fight with his own version of domu and super healing permanently on. Something kakuzu can't do. Kimimaro has such a massive damage in CQC it's unbelieveable. Kakuzu won't rip his heart out, restrain him and even if he injures him, kimimaro heals. For that matter, Kakuzu's thread aren't even durable since they can be ripped apart unlike kimi's bones that withstood the slash of a chakra enhanced blade that can rip through steel and concrete effortleslly
As to the bold... Kakuzu will endanger himself and most likely kill himself. CS V2 gives Pseudo Sage mode strength and impecable healing. Sasuke tanking C2 because of CS V2, You're telling me a gian is killing someone who's on the impressive CS-V2 defence, ontop of super healing ontop of harder than steel bone armor? That's obviously beyond retarded.
Kimimaro dodges gian (he's as fast as kakashi when sick and kakashi intercepted it)
Kimimaro tanks gian
Kimimaro Breaks out of Kakuzu's hold and escapes gian, or pulls him infront of it to die. What's your defence to clemantis vine and Spear? Nothing. Kakuzu gets pierced - CS V2 Strength > His.
Hype and hype alone... bro don't make me laugh. I posted, what, 15 manga scans of feats and 1 of his armor hype just to get rid of the shitty domu tanks all arguments and i'm using hype? Kimi wins this.
Last i checked he ended up getting overwhelmed by gaara's sand didn't he ? Oh wait he did LMAO
You de realize how hard it is to physically "bust out" of something so hard and wiry? I don't think you do, Kimi isn't escaping shit, and could even be pierced by threads,
LOL Dodging Gian when Kakashi only intercpeted it because he started moving before it was activated thanks to Pre-Cog which Kimi does not have, not to mention it was fired from 20 meters away, whereas that wont be the case here,
****ing Lame argument there
Breaking out of Kakuzu's hold? Lmao with what his giant upper ab's Lmao, he's not breaking out of shit that Chouji couldn't
And as we all know Chouji's strength Part one was >> Then that of CM1 Jirobi if i'm not mistaken, No doubt Part two, when he doesn't even need his Pills he's even stronger
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Not to mention he wouldn't have time to bust out of the threads when Gian already ends him , His regeneration is over-hyped LMAO Kakuzu's is better really, He's shown to close up small holes in his skin, and has next to no feat's as to regenerating from any internal Damage,
Diamond>Steel armor, and Kakuzu can tank all of Kimi's attacks while His hearts are flying around killing him multiple times LMAO Lame ass arguments
Evaporating Water in seconds is physicall impossible unless it is at 14,000 Degree's C ... So i read on the Web, lol and to turn bone to ash it needs to be 1000C ... Hmmm Kakuzu's "measly flame" Clearly isn't that measly
Kimi's pathetic feats don't cut it here, Even without Realizing it Kishi made Kakuzu way to OP for this lowly mother ****er, and the fact that all your arguments are now being turned into "He avoids this or He breaks out of that"
Proves that i'm right ..>CM2 does shit here, Except make him slower actually and Gian ends him immediately, as i'm pretty sure Boulder>>Steel which Gian is said to pierce through .
Honestly GTFO with your lowly arguments that don't prove anything, lmao your analysis of Kakuzu in the first post should of proved your shit wrong really
Just saying a stone wall, could tank the pressure 200m sand, while it cannot tank Kakuzu's punches.
Also Kakuzu's Katon just burns Kimimaro to a crisp.
Kimimaro doesn't have decent long range jutsus, so he has to get into Kakuzu's face to destroy his hearts. He might destroy one, but then any high level elemental attack from Kakuzu and Kimi is down.
Raiton/Fuuton attacks >>> the Cutting power of a Fodder samurai chakra enhanced sword. Not even sure if it has any feats because to my knowledge it's just normal chakra, There is no elemental affinity added like sasuke chidori blade.
Hell even susanoo cut them (can also be argued that sage chakra was used on the ones susanoo cut).
Also it could be argued that Kimi's bones didn't completely break the sword either.
All I can do is face palm the people defending Kimi.
Hearing stuff like he walks away from Kakuzu elements attack is where I refuse to leave imputs, that will only give me a headache trying to discuss this.
Ill leave one input of a myth buster tho: Kimi was never buried 200 meters.
Gaara said that he was attempting to make that happen but Kimi countered before he let him finish completely sinking him that far below. Thus you can hear Kimi saying his tech from under the sand.
Neither of them are praised for their ability to cut but they still managed to cut the bones.
Raiton/Fuuton attacks >>> the Cutting power of a Fodder samurai chakra enhanced sword. Not even sure if it has any feats because to my knowledge it's just normal chakra, There is no elemental affinity added like sasuke chidori blade.
Hell even susanoo cut them (can also be argued that sage chakra was used on the ones susanoo cut).
Also it could be argued that Kimi's bones didn't completely break the sword either.
@bold: No that can't be argued lmfao. I could waste my time and prove it, but it'd be troublesome and you would disregard it. None of The sound 5's move were remotely enhanced by Kabuto's Sage mode, because they were different entities outside of kabuto's sage mode using their own jutsu. It wasn't kabuto using the jutsu and there's nothing suggesting the fact that the moves were enhanced. Kimi's Bones were, however, enhanced by a pseudo sage mode (Curse seal) and regardless if Kakuzu could even break Seedling fern, the jutsu can be redone.
Lol.
>Raiton sword effortlessly cut steel blade
>Raiton sword can't cut chakra blade
>Just the chakra from a chakra blade effortlessly cut concrete
>Chakra blade can't cut kimi bone
>Raiton known more for piercing than Slashing
Kakuzu's wind attacks are Pressure based, so kimi tanks that.
The raiton attack was effortlessly tanked by kakashi by simply channeling it. Raikage couldn't even channel a chidori through him, So gian definitely isn't blasting a hole through a guy who has Tsunade level healing ontop Of CS-V2 bomb tanking defence ontop of harder than steel bone armor.
And no one ever said kimi broke anything, i said he tanked a damage.
All I can do is face palm the people defending Kimi.
Hearing stuff like he walks away from Kakuzu elements attack is where I refuse to leave imputs, that will only give me a headache trying to discuss this.
Ill leave one input of a myth buster tho: Kimi was never buried 200 meters.
Gaara said that he was attempting to make that happen but Kimi countered before he let him finish completely sinking him that far below. Thus you can hear Kimi saying his tech from under the sand.
@Bold: Rofl. Yes, because you'd have to make something up to refute it. CS v2 bomb tanking defence + Kimi's Bone's harder than reinforced steel defence + Instantaneous Bone, Nerve and Tissue healing = GG all of kakuzu's attacks. This debate ending when Kimi's bone hype got feat to back it unlike Kakuzu's domu which has only subpar feats to back it. Tanking choji and Losing to a raikiri doesn't justify it's hype.
Pressure damage canonically tanked by kimi - GG wind pressure and non existant water attack
normal bone melts at 1500C+. Kimi's Bone is adjusted to it's most efficient state ontop of his superb healing onlong with the fact that kimi's bone has tanked force damage - GG Searing migrane and wind + Fire
Gian Can't split Kimimaro in half, or do whatever fantasy anyone wants to claim to kill him, so that's just shrugged off and healed. A normal person would die of electrocution, a healer wouldn't. Weak arguments alone for kakuzu because people don't want to understand kimi's abilities.
the rest of your argument doesn't need a rebuttal.
It's sad how everyone's bringing up arguments that are fully countered in my original post and, that was only an opening statement for a debate someone wanted to have on this topic.
@Bold: Rofl. Yes, because you'd have to make something up to refute it. CS v2 bomb tanking defence + Kimi's Bone's harder than reinforced steel defence + Instantaneous Bone, Nerve and Tissue healing = GG all of kakuzu's attacks.
First of all. Do you understand what tanking means? To tank an attack it means to take it without any substantial damage to ones body, thus not needing for healing, regeneration or any other sort of after damage aid. Examples of that are the Saindaime Raikage, who out right ate a full round of rasenshuriken and stood after it with 0 wounds. Thus meaning he tanked it, and needed no after damage regeneration such has the edo recovery. Now you brought up bomb tanking. Was this referring to Sasuke's wing from Deidara? If so then you would understood that his wings were destroyed, thats is not tanking lol.
This debate ending when Kimi's bone hype got feat to back it unlike Kakuzu's domu which has only subpar feats to back it. Tanking choji and Losing to a raikiri doesn't justify it's hype.
Ha, it seems you forgot they he also use Domu to tank an explosion with 0 damage, a Buijuu completely crushing him to the ground, and a sword cut from his face with no wound. And what does Kimi's bones feat back up? Being completely destroyed by the strongest minerals? Tied with a steel sword infused with chakra? Yea.
Again with the "tank" lol. There is a difference in damage when being crushed by pressure and getting punch/hit with pressure. Kakuzu's pressure was more destructive then Gaara had displayed. If you think Kimi can still "tank" the attack still then you are something else, to think he won't be knocked out with that kind of impact of wind.
Kimi's Bone is adjusted to it's most efficient state ontop of his superb healing onlong with the fact that kimi's bone has tanked force damage - GG Searing migrane and wind + Fire.
Lol this move is over kill Fire+Wind holds two elements from Kakuzu that makes it explosive. That more enough power then the strongest mineral can do to destroy Kimi's bones.
Gian Can't split Kimimaro in half, or do whatever fantasy anyone wants to claim to kill him, so that's just shrugged off and healed. A normal person would die of electrocution, a healer wouldn't. Weak arguments alone for kakuzu because people don't want to understand kimi's abilities.
Lmao what fantasy are you on, particularly? Gian is a penetrating jutsu that turns into a "
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". The logic in here is that it is equivalent to Kakashi's Raikiri. The width of the jutsu was even bigger then Choiji. Kimi is not getting electrocuted here, he is getting cut in half.
the problem is really that any damage Kakuzu can do Kimimaru can heal... Kimimaru is the shinobi with the best regeration skills in the naruto universe (yes superior than both Kabuto and Tsunade) but is that enough to take down Kakuzu? I doubt it, so in the end I'll give the victory to Kakuzu, but it will be one hell of a fight and several hearts will be lost in the process.
