Whether you believe or not

[Fodder#5]

It definately is old testament and if you read the bible correctly Jesus is no different. I have already accepted that God is my master and that his way is the truth because he has given me a way to live my life. Human nature is at its most free when its following gods judgement. However let me clue you in on a little secret that everyone just seems to not know. . . . . Theres no such thing as hell

Aww man. Hell was the only thing that I liked about the religion. Seemed like that was where the party was

 

[Avani]

ONLY the Bible is truth and NOTHING else

If you are serious about that comment then you are doing a good job increasing number of atheists.


I like to believe in God. But I don't believe that version. :/

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Hmm....How can this be? Actually, let's define what "most free" is. Christianity imposes laws on followers, yes. Just like other religions do, this is normal.

Then we have the absence of religion, Atheism. This contains the absence of religious laws and are only bound by Constitutional law.

Then one step further, we have Satanism. I could be mistaken on the crucial points of Satanism, but if what I know is correct, this purports the absence of all binding laws, aka Anarchy. Satanism tells the follower to embrace what you yourself wants only.

So wouldn't it be more accurate to assume that Satanism is where the human nature is "most free"? Or are we using different definitions of "free"?



Yes, yes, we understand, you're not stupid like the rest of us.

We are free in the sense that we not live our lives bound to this world entirely. Of course we will stll suffer just like everybody else but we have the good fortune of knowing that all suffering is meaningless and only temporary. We followers of God (those who truly read the bible) knnow that life is a shitthole and the bible gives us the gift of knowiing how to live that life in the best way.

Simple really, Fear God. Obey God.

 

[Fodder#5]

Lol, Satan will have you cleaning his toe-nails with your mouth while you're burning in his pits... Why do people always think hell will be a lovely place to go to? It's called Hell for a reason.

How come you think that Satan would torture people who went to hell? Why would he? There's nothing in it for him. Satan is a better character than this God fellow you keep going on about. He is a perfect being. I'd rather spend eternity in Hell with him than an instant in heaven with a God like the one you worship

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I don't have any views on religion. Problem with all you sadistic, egotistical *******s is that you all judge people. You all have to view them in certain ways.

Do they have a religion that differs from me? Why do I care?
Are they mentally challenged? So what, I see them as human.
Different skin color? Woop-de-****ing-doo.

It's not the religion that pisses me off, it's anyone who has to judge. I even hate atheists who criticize religious people or belittle their belief.

this, much respect.

 

[Fodder#5]

I don't have any views on religion. Problem with all you sadistic, egotistical *******s is that you all judge people. You all have to view them in certain ways.

Do they have a religion that differs from me? Why do I care?
Are they mentally challenged? So what, I see them as human.
Different skin color? Woop-de-****ing-doo.

It's not the religion that pisses me off, it's anyone who has to judge. I even hate atheists who criticize religious people or belittle their belief.

I think you just judged people. Do you hate yourself now?

 

[Disquiet]

The following revolves around my ideologies; if you are someone that is very closed-minded and refuse to believe there is no real 'truth' to the world, that we're just born and then die; then it won't make as much sense to you as it does for me. That goes for religious people as well. However if you understand my pursuit, then my logic shouldn't be hard to grasp.

I'm not religious, but I do believe there is a higher existence/intelligence. Actually, sometimes, I think I alternate between believing and being apathetic. I do acknowledge science, and use it to help me search out any truth. However, in my view, science can only take me so far. I think we all acknowledge that science cannot prove or disprove a higher existence/god. However, if, yes I'm saying IF (don't have to point out to me that I said that) science discovers a higher intelligence (however many generations it may take), what happens then?? Does this higher intelligence have a big role in human's next stage? What does it want? Why did it even create us?

If you noticed; there will be a lot of questions. How exactly will they be answered? Will it be willing to speak to all of us, or just a chosen few? Are there requirements we must meet to communicate with it? Are those requirements mundane or fantastic? Will it even tell us how to communicate, or must we completely come up with the methods ourselves? If the human race were suppose to communicate with it 'spiritually', then couldn't we have done that from day one??

I'm not sure if you understand my point lol. I'm basically saying that even if science were to discover a higher existence; it could be rendered useless depending on the intentions, motives, and nature of it. In which case, we could find ourselves relying on a method that has been shunned due to lack of facts. What if I could have achieved a communcation with it during my lifetime? But because I only focused on one aspect, I simply die without discovering life's true purpose?

My mind is open to not only science, but basically all religions as well. Perhaps there is some truth, albeit it contorted. I'm even open to the ideas of numerology, horoscopes, astrology, reincarnation, etc. I also sometimes find myself challenging the concept of morals.




"The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald,

 

[From the Dark Spire]

We are free in the sense that we not live our lives bound to this world entirely. Of course we will stll suffer just like everybody else but we have the good fortune of knowing that all suffering is meaningless and only temporary. We followers of God (those who truly read the bible) knnow that life is a shitthole and the bible gives us the gift of knowiing how to live that life in the best way.

Simple really, Fear God. Obey God.

Ok now this I believe. I've heard this many times as well, fear god, not man.

 

[Fodder#5]

this, much respect.

Once again I'm sure old Jonesy is pissing himself out of excitement for gaining your respect

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

If you are serious about that comment then you are doing a good job increasing number of atheists.


I like to believe in God. But I don't believe that version. :/

Im sorry if im bring too frank but we as god worshippers should stop sugar coating the bible. In this way well send the full message through. This is how we'll weed out the non believers from the true believers. In the end people will thank us at least that we ddnt leave out anything until the end *cough evangelists *cough *cough

 

[Fodder#5]

The following revolves around my ideologies; if you are someone that is very closed-minded and refuse to believe there is no real 'truth' to the world, that we're just born and then die; then it won't make as much sense to you as it does for me. That goes for religious people as well. However if you understand my pursuit, then my logic shouldn't be hard to grasp.

I'm not religious, but I do believe there is a higher existence/intelligence. Actually, sometimes, I think I alternate between believing and being apathetic. I do acknowledge science, and use it to help me search out any truth. However, in my view, science can only take me so far. I think we all acknowledge that science cannot prove or disprove a higher existence/god. However, if, yes I'm saying IF (don't have to point out to me that I said that) science discovers a higher intelligence (however many generations it may take), what happens then?? Does this higher intelligence have a big role in human's next involvement? What does it want? Why did it even create us?

If you noticed; there will be a lot of questions. How exactly will they be answered? Will it be willing to speak to all of us, or just a chosen few? Are their requirements we must meet to communicate with it? Are those requirements mundane or fantastic? Will it even tell us how to communicate, or must we completely come up with the methods ourselves? If the human race were suppose to communicate with it 'spiritually', then couldn't we have done that from day one??

I'm not sure if you understand my point lol, but what I'm basically saying is; that even if science were to discover a higher existence; it could be rendered useless depending on the intentions, motives, and nature of it. In which case, we could find ourselves relying on a method that has been shunned due to lack of facts.

My mind is open to not only science, but basically all religions as well. Perhaps there is some truth, albeit it contorted. I'm even open to the ideas of numerology, horoscopes, astrology, reincarnation, etc. I also sometimes find myself challenging the concept of morals.




"The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald,

You lost me here. I did enjoy the Fitzgerald quote at the end. I enjoy his work, too bad that it took a movie for him to get the attention that he deserved

 

[From the Dark Spire]

How come you think that Satan would torture people who went to hell? Why would he? There's nothing in it for him. Satan is a better character than this God fellow you keep going on about. He is a perfect being. I'd rather spend eternity in Hell with him than an instant in heaven with a God like the one you worship

If that is what you wish.... :devil: so be it, child. Burn with the desire to claim what you seek. Pray to the Lord of Darkness and he will hear your cries of desire... hehehehhahaha, I wish you the best on your journey, into hell for all eternity! Hahahahahahaha. :devil:

 

[Erin]

I'm not talking about right and wrong or any form of human action. I am speaking of Good and Bad in the form of occurrence.

Ex:
If a sheep dies young it is bad for the sheep, the needed to live to reproduce. It is good for the farmer he wanted a sheep to eat and doesn't need to kill a healthy one. It is bad for the wolf, she doesn't have the weak sheep that she was going to eat that afternoon. (of course things are not as black and white as this, but are indeed black and white, as any areas of gray can be defined by specific identification. )

If we remove bad ( all bad occurrences) then only good would remain. But good cannot exist if there is not bad, as every occurrence would be defined under one singular property. We cannot comprehend such an anomaly as even if all bad was removed from the world, the idea of bad would remain.

So if there is only one type of occurrence, then all actions would positively affect other beings, systems, communities etc. This, though theoretically impossible would most likely leave a single finite and predestined action matching affect to effect, leaving little true choice to any sentient being, and in turn removing the purpose of sentience, or conscious existence.

Nice. Could be simplified though.

 

[Jonesy161]

I think you just judged people. Do you hate yourself now?

Oh, how did I judge anyone? Please do tell.

 

[Fodder#5]

If that is what you wish.... :devil: so be it, child. Burn with the desire to claim what you seek. Pray to the Lord of Darkness and he will hear your cries of desire... hehehehhahaha, I wish you the best on your journey, into hell for all eternity! Hahahahahahaha. :devil:

What's with you calling people "child"? How old are you anyway? You act like you're 14. But I bet you're 17, just developmentally challenged. Don't worry though. You'll have a great career working as a checkout boy at a grocery store until you retire.

 

[Disquiet]

You lost me here. I did enjoy the Fitzgerald quote at the end. I enjoy his work, too bad that it took a movie for him to get the attention that he deserved

lol well I'm glad I put at the ending. To put it simply, I keep my mind open to due to the 'reports' that 'predictions' have come true from reading signs, numbers, etc. I'm not saying that I believe in it, but just keep it in my mind whenever I'm researching something.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Once again I'm sure old Jonesy is pissing himself out of excitement for gaining your respect

Yes, and so are you.

 

[Fodder#5]

Oh, how did I judge anyone? Please do tell.

You said. "You people". That implies judgement, since you had to judge us into specific categories. That makes you a hypocrite. I respect people like Spire, who despite being an idiot, stays true to his beliefs. You said you hated those that judge and you judged.
[video=youtube;zSTEqHxh3fI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTEqHxh3fI[/video]

 

[Fodder#5]

lol well I'm glad I put at the ending. To put it simply, I keep my mind open to due to the 'reports' that 'predictions' have come true from reading signs, numbers, etc. I'm not saying that I believe in it, but just keep it in my mind whenever I'm researching something.

Seems reasonable. I also like how articulate you are with your posts. You even had a literary quote at the end. Some people on here *cough Spire cough* could learn from you

 

[From the Dark Spire]

What's with you calling people "child"? How old are you anyway? You act like you're 14. But I bet you're 17, just developmentally challenged. Don't worry though. You'll have a great career working as a checkout boy at a grocery store until you retire.

Haha, that's cute, but in all seriousness, I'm 20 and I'm a dietary server. Meh, I tend to call people child, because of the simplistic things they say sometimes.