Kakashi should have defeated Deva Pein

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

*chuckle* It doesn't work this way.
Kakashi has simply gotten better.
He held his own alone against 4 edo jinchuuriki in V2 with Sharingan and Rinnegan.
Of course V2 that Deva fought was stronger than any of these jins. Or I'd say it would be stronger if we were talking about normal jins, but these:
-are immortal
-have a shared vision (Rinnegan)
-have increased perception and dodging abilities (Sharingan)

Plus, Kakashi faced 4 of them at the same time after already having fought for an entire day elsewhere, whereas Orochimaru (albeit handicapped, true) could not handle one mortal V2 jin without Rinnegan or Sharingan.


There is literally nothing to suggest current Kakashi would not be able to keep up or defeat 6-tailed Naruto, even without resorting to Kamui.



Plot is NEVER an excuse. Even if plot was the "outside" reason for Kakashi not using Kamui back then, there must always be an in-universe reason as well. If there's not, we take the most plausible explanation.

In this case there are two plausible explanations I can think of, though they overlap:
-He still didn't have his Kamui perfected back then
-He knew there were 6 bodies and that he couldn't possibly kamui all of them (though it would mean as well he didn't have his Kamui perfected yet, since current Kakashi would be capable of using Kamui 6 times with ease) so he wanted to try and handle as much as he could without MS

Plot is an excuse when the writer needs something to happen. I.e he needed Deva Path to destory Konoha and fight Naruto, as well as still have his body in one piece so Naruto could give it to Konan.

 

[Takos]

Plot is an excuse when the writer needs something to happen. I.e he needed Deva Path to destory Konoha and fight Naruto, as well as still have his body in one piece so Naruto could give it to Konan.

As I said, that might be the outside reason, but there still needs to be an in-universe reason.

If there's not, then NO discussion about anything manga related makes sense, because everything can be assumed to be plot. Whenever you don't like an argument the other side is posting, you say "plot" and the conversation is over. That's pointless.

For example, in a discussion about Part I Kakashi VS Itachi, let's say one side brings an argument that Part I Itachi got defeated with Tsukyomi.
You don't like it, so you say it was a plot. Such discussion won't get you anywhere (well, discussion on NB rarely get anyone anywhere, but that's another story).

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

As I said, that might be the outside reason, but there still needs to be an in-universe reason.

If there's not, then NO discussion about anything manga related makes sense, because everything can be assumed to be plot. Whenever you don't like an argument the other side is posting, you say "plot" and the conversation is over. That's pointless.

For example, in a discussion about Part I Kakashi VS Itachi, let's say one side brings an argument that Part I Itachi got defeated with Tsukyomi.
You don't like it, so you say it was a plot. Such discussion won't get you anywhere (well, discussion on NB rarely get anyone anywhere, but that's another story).

No its not that I dislike it, if Kakashi had beaten Deva Path, it would have deducted from Naruto's victory. However there was no reason at the start of the fight, having used no chakra that he couldn't use Kamui. Maybe there was a bull in-universe reason however if it cannot convince me to be the true reason factoring both their powers and their situations, then I am quite entitled to say plot.

 

[Takos]

No its not that I dislike it, if Kakashi had beaten Deva Path, it would have deducted from Naruto's victory. However there was no reason at the start of the fight, having used no chakra that he couldn't use Kamui. Maybe there was a bull in-universe reason however if it cannot convince me to be the true reason factoring both their powers and their situations, then I am quite entitled to say plot.

I never said you didn't like it, I just used such theoretical example.
Anyway, I still think it's because Kakashi didn't have Kamui perfected yet.

I'm also pretty sure now Kakashi would be able to beat both Deva and Preta without much trouble.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I never said you didn't like it, I just used such theoretical example.
Anyway, I still think it's because Kakashi didn't have Kamui perfected yet.

I'm also pretty sure now Kakashi would be able to beat both Deva and Preta without much trouble.

But the time difference between Pain's attack and the War was at most a couple of weeks.

 

[Takos]

But the time difference between Pain's attack and the War was at most a couple of weeks.

Such a short period doesn't make such development impossible. See Naruto's development in the very same time.

 

[Senju Bean]

Kakashi would still lose. After using all this charka on Deva path, he would be a siting duck for the other paths. Plus, Deva path would just get revived by Nakara path.

 

[Itachi Edo]

I think Kakashi should have been able to kill him off to be honest with you since the other path just came out of nowhere after being stomped by a physical attack. Naruto took the same path out with a punch too I believe so it should have been the same result. Honestly, Kakashi should have stayed dead.

 

[Takos]

I think Kakashi should have been able to kill him off to be honest with you since the other path just came out of nowhere after being stomped by a physical attack. Naruto took the same path out with a punch too I believe so it should have been the same result. Honestly, Kakashi should have stayed dead.

Th Shinobi Alliance would be screwed if Kakashi stayed dead and was revived as an Edo. :|
Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui...

 

[Itachi Edo]

Th Shinobi Alliance would be screwed if Kakashi stayed dead and was revived as an Edo. :|
Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui, Kamui...

Oh that would be awesome. Kakashi+Madara+Itachi=Owned.