what level is 14 old obito ?
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14 year old Obito. Id say genin/chunnin. Since you mean the one that fought Minato, he was 17/18 and ill put him at low kage at best.
That obito had hardly any battle experience
1-2 jutsu's, his main being kamui. Yes a powerful technique but sometimes i feel people mistake that ms obito with part 2 ms obito. 16+ years of experience is what part 2 ms obito holds with kamui and he has shown us feats with kamui using weapons and katon's that he didn't at 16/17.
People also seem to think his mokuton rivals hash/mads, when in reality its below yamato in strength and versatility. This is both 17 year old obito and part 2 ms obito.
Kamui though he awakened it not long before he fought minato he had adjusted to it fairly well. That is the only reason why id say he is low kage. His base/core is piss poor, if you restrict kamui. Majority will manhandle him in any CQC confrontation ask kakashi
That obito had hardly any battle experience
1-2 jutsu's, his main being kamui. Yes a powerful technique but sometimes i feel people mistake that ms obito with part 2 ms obito. 16+ years of experience is what part 2 ms obito holds with kamui and he has shown us feats with kamui using weapons and katon's that he didn't at 16/17.
People also seem to think his mokuton rivals hash/mads, when in reality its below yamato in strength and versatility. This is both 17 year old obito and part 2 ms obito.
Kamui though he awakened it not long before he fought minato he had adjusted to it fairly well. That is the only reason why id say he is low kage. His base/core is piss poor, if you restrict kamui. Majority will manhandle him in any CQC confrontation ask kakashi
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lol without kurama he's high kage, tobi phase obito is only a little bit above him since he aged more.
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He was still genin/chunnin rank... Infact Rinnegan Obito is only about jounin-Low kage level. The only problem is Kamui which is just haxed. Any Kage who has a means to hit him through Kamui would be able to kill him. There's an entire Host of people who Can easily take down obito if you restrict warping people into kamui dimension and kamui Intangibility(He'd still have kamui Kunai, Banfu, teleportation, etc).
Don't know why so many people think this when minato essentially 2-panelled him... He was pretty much defeated with a little more difficulty than that iwa fodder from kakashi gaiden.
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They were in Kamui dimension where he couldn't use his Mangekyou, without Kamui he's still low kage thanks to all the forbidden techniques Madara would have taught him, plus his genjutsu ability and enhanced strength.
But with Kamui he is no doubt high kage tier, no shinobi without s/t techniques or extreme speed could have taken Obito at that age, he was almost untouchable. Hiruzen would have died if he was the one facing Obito along with many other top tier characters. The ability to control the Nine tails at that age is no little feat.
And look at Obito when he saved Kakashi from that Rock Ninja in the Kakashi chronicles arc, he could barely take one of those guys. Then as soon as he got Kamui he was able to easily take down about 50 elite Anbu from the hidden mist. That's the difference between Obito with and without kamui.
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People keep saying he was sloppy in that fight but I fail to see it. All I see is him being beaten by a better opponent, he didn't know the full extent of FTG (that's not his fault). He lost purely because he was just up against someone who countered him perfectly.
How he fared against minato isnt really relevant is it though? Minato has a jutsu which allows him to teleport instantly. He's the only kage who could've beaten obito as badly as he did.
I agree on both parts. But he should have fought along with Kurama rather than trying to isolate Minato. Obito knows his sensei and has intel on him. He should have put Minato at a disadvantage and he could have easily done so by simply fighting around Kurama. I say he was sloppy because he made the mistake fighting Minato where he did, despite knowing his sensei's fighting style.
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Well that I understand, but then if he tried to isolate Minato with Kurama, I'm pretty sure Hiruzen and all his Anbu subordinates would have noticed the ruckus and explosions from a distance and then intervened which would have made the fight unfair. Nevertheless, Obito + Kurama vs Minato + Gamabunta would have been much great to see too.
You have a point however despite having kurama obito still sits in the low kage rank. It's possible that he was simply overconfident in his abilities while also underestimating minato's (he knows nothing of his reaction time or FTG V2). But even though he was so overconfident & sloppy he still gave minato an incredibly tough fight on his own, something that A couldnt even manage.
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I'll still say he's very high Jonin-low Kage tier without Kamui and High kage tier with Kamui. I dunno what any other Kage except for maybe Tobirama (big maybe) could have done against Obito in Minato's position.
We've seen Obito mess up fodder Anbu before. They wouldn't have provided that much trouble, especially with Kurama around destroying shit since they would still try to protect the village. Obito would have fodderized them, making Minato flustered and trying to handle Kurama? He would have had his hands full seeing his village being destroyed and trying to take out the culprits. That plus Obito's overconfidence is why I saw he was sloppy but it can be argued that he was low kage level so I won't argue against.
Yeah you're right, I has the skills to be Mid Kage level but I think his overconfidence and sloppiness is what led to his downfall and that's something Kage level shinobis should do, you know? And I agree with you, no one in the shinobi world at that time would have been able to do what Minato did to Obito, but Yondaime Hokage himself.
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Yes he can fodderise Anbu but with Hiruzen and Minato all working together I think he'd have his hands full. At least Hiruzen can at least deal with the 9 tails and the anbu's could distract Obito while Minato overwhelms him.
And since Tobirama doesn't carry pre-marked Kunai like Minato it'd be even more of a difficult battle. Tobirama could still maybe take him but not like low-mid diff like Minato diff.
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