[Theory] Elder Son Dojutsu = Sharingan + Byakugan. Please Read

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I am here to give my theory of why the elder son dojutsu lead to the foundation of Sharingan and Byakugan at full explanation. Some of you probably read my old theory of this but this is more detailed version.

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I believe this dojutsu has been divided into the Sharingan and Byakugan through out the time. Now why do i believe that?

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as we all know, the Elder Son descendants became the Uchiha, so that means the Sharingan did derive from the Elder Son dojutsu.

But what about the Byakugan:
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Yes i know all of you are gonna say Kakashi has been proven wrong but lets analyze this scan logically:

The only things Kakashi was wrong about are:
-Hyuuga are the oldest bloodline clan in konoha
-Sharingan came from byakugan

However he wasn't wrong about how the Uchiha and Hyuuga are some how related to each other. Their abilities to use Yin powers and dojutsu is a proof that Hyuuga did descend from the Elder Son through this scan:

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SO6P was divided into Yin and Yang.

Yin = Dojutsu + Spiritual Energy +Powerful Chakra = Elder Son.
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Also the Hyuuga seem to possess immense hatred like the Uchiha do but inferior as the fact Neji was influenced by destiny of the Hyuuga clan the same way the Uchiha are influenced by jealousy as seen through Sasuke.

If we were to take the statements Elder Son descendants come are the uchiha in conjunction with Kakashi statement, the most logical and accurate meaning of the context we can come up with is that Uchiha and Hyuuga are cousins of the same family branch and that the Elder Son dojutsu and bloodline divided into these 2 clans the same way the Uzumaki and Senju related and the same way SO6P bloodline divided into the Elder and Younger Sons.

Thank You...Madara Rules:)
 
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Ems > Ancestor dojutsu.
 

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Ems > Ancestor dojutsu.

since Sharingan came from the Ancestor dojutsu then its basic logic that EMS < Ancestor dojutsu. we still don't know its powers so we cannot judge.
 

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If Kishimoto or his editors remember the Byakugan/Sharingan statement from pt 1 and decide to reintroduce it into the manga, I believe this theory will be the closest thing to the explaination. But there's a chance that it won't even be mentioned again.
 

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i havent seen a byakugan cast a genjutsu, where did you see that? but definately the hyuuga and the uchiha are related in some way
 

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since Sharingan came from the Ancestor dojutsu then its basic logic that EMS < Ancestor dojutsu. we still don't know its powers so we cannot judge.

The basic 3 tomoe sharingan came from the
Ancestor doujutsu.

In my opinion sharingan just evolved to something even more powerfull. EMS in this case

You dont say charmander >Charizard. Because charmander came first.
 

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i havent seen a byakugan cast a genjutsu, where did you see that? but definately the hyuuga and the uchiha are related in some way

that's because the byakugan has been divided. if you look at it, they both can see through genjutsu, both can see chakra, both have Yin powers.

But Nagoromo got his powers from Kaguya, who got it from the Juubi.

and then Sage bloodline divided into the Uchiha and Senju:

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I'm pretty Sure that I've read this theory before U_U

Rip-Off? :rolleyes:
 

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Logically Byakugan should've came from the sage's eyes while sharigan comes from Juubi's eye.

Did the sage have Rinnegan before sealing Juubi? I ask because after he became it's Jin he should've unlocked a new eye. There should be a eye above rinnegan it would look like the elder sons eye's (spiral rinnegan)

Shouldn't his son have a combo of his and Juubi's eye? Madara may get a new eye if he eats the fruit idk. Unless Rinnegan=Juubi eye but just looks different.
 
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The basic 3 tomoe sharingan came from the
Ancestor doujutsu.

In my opinion sharingan just evolved to something even more powerfull. EMS in this case

You dont say charmander >Charizard. Because charmander came first.

For someone to use MS or EMS, he must have sharingan which originated from the Uchiha Ancestor.

that's a completely different example.

this is most logical equation:

Juubi Eyes > Rinnegan > Elder Son Dojutsu > Sharingan And Byakugan while byakugan is weaker.
 

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Logicly Byakugan should've came from the sage's eyes while sharigan comes from Juubi's eye.

Did the sage have Rinnegan before sealing Juubi? I ask because after he became it's Jin he should've unlocked a new eye. There should be a eye above rinnegan it would look like the elder sons eye's (spiral rinnegan)

SO6P did have rinnegan before fighting the Juubi. His Mom ate the fruit and that fruit contained the juubi powers that grants god like powers while sage inherited them from his mom he must have had rinnegan naturally.

I'm pretty Sure that I've read this theory before U_U

Rip-Off? :rolleyes:

this is more detailed version.*_*
 

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For someone to use MS or EMS, he must have sharingan which originated from the Uchiha Ancestor.

that's a completely different example.

this is most logical equation:

Juubi Eyes > Rinnegan > Elder Son Dojutsu > Sharingan And Byakugan while byakugan is weaker.
Hatred caused the sharingan. So it was a trigger to new powers. Ems surpass Ancestor dojutsu in my opinion.
 

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The basic 3 tomoe sharingan came from the
Ancestor doujutsu.

In my opinion sharingan just evolved to something even more powerfull. EMS in this case

You dont say charmander >Charizard. Because charmander came first.

Thats some bad ABC logic. They say the Rinnegan is the origin of all Dojutsu, even the elder son's, but is it inferior to EMS?... No.

Even if the ESD doesn't have feats, you can use your imagination and think about how bad ass the abilities would be.


Edit: As of now you can neither say that EMS is greater or inferior than the ESD for it has no feats.
 
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that's because the byakugan has been divided. if you look at it, they both can see through genjutsu, both can see chakra, both have Yin powers.



and then Sage bloodline divided into the Uchiha and Senju:

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But how come you mixed the Sage's dojutsu with the Juubi's dojutsu, when they basically have the same power?
 

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But how come you mixed the Sage's dojutsu with the Juubi's dojutsu, when they basically have the same power?

The Sage dojutsu is rinnegan which is inferior to the mixture of Rinnegan and Sharingan.

SO6P Dojutsu:

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Juubi's Dojutsu:
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Look at the difference.
 

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Thats some bad ABC logic. They say the Rinnegan is the origin of all Dojutsu, even the elder son's, but is it inferior to EMS?... No.

Even if the ESD doesn't have feats, you can use your imagination and think about how bad ass the abilities would be.


Edit: As of now you can neither say that EMS is greater or inferior than the ESD for it has no feats.
It has to be something OP kishi is waiting so long. Even madara didnt show some ems techniques
 
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