kakashi vs current gaara?

[shelke]

Obito's sucking in to become intangible =/= Kakashi's warping.

Do you know how kamui works? There is no "warp point". And even if there was, what are you gonna do against it? The warping is instantaneous, as long as it locks onto a target, sayonara.

the only warp point or something that can be called that or a medium is the eye itself.

Obito's warping himself or object is the SAME S/T technique. It's repeatedly mentioned within the manga.

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Really?

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- See the warp point AND the fact that Kakashi was unable to warp its neck? If it WAS instant and so quick, there should have been no counter.

 

[Prince Charles]

Obito's warping himself or object is the SAME S/T technique. It's repeatedly mentioned within the manga.

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Really?

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- See the warp point AND the fact that Kakashi was unable to warp its neck? If it WAS instant and so quick, there should have been no counter.

Not really. The gedo's head large size obviously made the process longer but that doesnt change the fact that gaara is not the size of the gedo's head which goes back to the point of gaara having no counter to the speed of kamui warping him, much less even reacting to it.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Not really. The gedo's head large size obviously made the process longer but that doesnt change the fact that gaara is not the size of the gedo's head which goes back to the point of gaara having no counter to the speed of kamui warping him, much less even reacting to it.

Obito's warping himself or object is the SAME S/T technique. It's repeatedly mentioned within the manga.

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Really?

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- See the warp point AND the fact that Kakashi was unable to warp its neck? If it WAS instant and so quick, there should have been no counter.

It is the same technique, obito's is made for his close range while kakashi's long range, like one eye amaterasu and the other eye tsukuyomi, it's how ms works. Obito has to be touching something to suck it in while kakashi doesn't. However what obito doesn't have to be touching is his body.

Gedou Mazou's head is way too high for kakashi to warp, Gaara's sand is nowhere, NOWHERE near the height of Gedou Mazou's head.

I love how it's like impossible for you to retaliate against the gourd getting warped. You can't attack the warp point, for one it doesn't exist, and two it's not going to dissapear even if you attack where the warp is.

Kakashi can warp A susano'O arrow well above 8', a needle and a missle at point blank. Raikiri can cut lightning and every jutsu we saw in part one databook says it's like knife to butter. It can cut EVERY TECHNIQUE SEEN IN PART ONE. THIS INCLUDES GAARAS SAND WHICH WAS STRONGER AT THE TIME DUE TO SHUKAKU.

It warped the clone as it dissapeared, dude, you can't get faster than that. The teleportation is instantaneous and the point is even if it wasn't you can't attack this imaginary warp point, does it look like the warp point feels pain or can go away?

 

[shelke]

Not really. The gedo's head large size obviously made the process longer but that doesnt change the fact that gaara is not the size of the gedo's head which goes back to the point of gaara having no counter to the speed of kamui warping him, much less even reacting to it.

The head isn't THAT large and it's still farfetched on your part, when Kakashi has made no such claims. Obito's statements about Warping Objects also hold. If you combine these two, then there is little room left for debate in this 'herpa derpa lerpa Instant Kamui' Bull shit.

Secondly, half of this base is high who thinks that the author will show the same thing EVERY SINGLE TIME when the warp point is repeatedly shown within the manga. How Obito managed to miss it that time is truly Kishi's manure turned gold logic, as usual. Nothing out of the world.

P.s: So now Rinnegan is capable of reading extensive movements like Sharingan? Lol @ this base. And then the audacity.

 

[Prince Charles]

The head isn't THAT large and it's still farfetched on your part, when Kakashi has made no such claims. Obito's statements about Warping Objects also hold. If you combine these two, then there is little room left for debate in this 'herpa derpa lerpa Instant Kamui' Bull shit.

Secondly, half of this base is high who thinks that the author will show the same thing EVERY SINGLE TIME when the warp point is repeatedly shown within the manga. How Obito managed to miss it that time is truly Kishi's manure turned gold logic, as usual. Nothing out of the world.

P.s: So now Rinnegan is capable of reading extensive movements like Sharingan? Lol @ this base. And then the audacity.

At bold.. Im having a hard time taking you seriously. Obviously it was due to the large size of the head of the gedo which made the warping time duration of kamui longer. Common sense isn't common anymore I see. When it comes to normal size objects, kamui is practically instant, obviously not FTG instant but you get the point. This really isnt debatable, gaara isnt reacting against his kamui. FACT. How does the warping point being shown exactly help gaara here? Please enlighten me because by the time he sees it he would had already been warped.

P.s: So now Rinnegan is capable of reading extensive movements like Sharingan? @ this base. And then the audacity.

Don't recall saying this.

EDIT - ill be logging off for the night shelke so i wont be replying.

 

[shelke]

It is the same technique, obito's is made for his close range while kakashi's long range, like one eye amaterasu and the other eye tsukuyomi, it's how ms works. Obito has to be touching something to suck it in while kakashi doesn't. However what obito doesn't have to be touching is his body.

Gedou Mazou's head is way too high for kakashi to warp, Gaara's sand is nowhere, NOWHERE near the height of Gedou Mazou's head.

I love how it's like impossible for you to retaliate against the gourd getting warped. You can't attack the warp point, for one it doesn't exist, and two it's not going to dissapear even if you attack where the warp is.

Kakashi can warp A susano'O arrow well above 8', a needle and a missle at point blank. Raikiri can cut lightning and every jutsu we saw in part one databook says it's like knife to butter. It can cut EVERY TECHNIQUE SEEN IN PART ONE. THIS INCLUDES GAARAS SAND WHICH WAS STRONGER AT THE TIME DUE TO SHUKAKU.

It warped the clone as it dissapeared, dude, you can't get faster than that. The teleportation is instantaneous and the point is even if it wasn't you can't attack this imaginary warp point, does it look like the warp point feels pain or can go away?

What the heck? LOL

- Obito was about to warp Sasuke.
- Fanmade logic on long and short range. Unsupported by Manga. Period.

I love how it's impossible for you to rationalize that Kakashi made NO such claims -

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. Which means you have no proof to back this up. Secondly, the gourd is on Gaara' back. How is he vanishing it anyway? Common sense, perhaps?

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. The Entire warping action is visible. Which means it can be manipulated. Secondly, that was a TACTICAL mistake on Obito's part. He believed that Kakashi warped the Rasangan, when it was the Bushin. A rookie and stupid mistake to further the plot, no less. But it's past the point. What's fact is a fact. Simple.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi low diff

- Suiton turns Gaara's sand to mud
- Raikiri, lightning transmission and so on pierce through Gaara's sand like butter

Kakashi is also by a great gap faster, smarter and skilful in terms of ninjutsu. Flying won't help Gaara as well because of kamui

 

[shelke]

At bold.. Im having a hard time taking you seriously. Obviously it was due to the large size of the head of the gedo which made the warping time duration of kamui longer. Common sense isn't common anymore I see. When it comes to normal size objects, kamui is practically instant, obviously not FTG instant but you get the point. This really isnt debatable, gaara isnt reacting against his kamui. FACT. How does the warping point being shown exactly help gaara here? Please enlighten me because by the time he sees it he would had already been warped.

He was going to 'Tear the neck'.

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. Secondly, when Kakashi made no such claims, then should I take you seriously? Obviously, Kakashi had enough Chakra and speed to make this a sure shot affair. The manga - I REPEAT - doesn't need to show the same damn thing every single time. The fact remains, that the warping action is shown on many places and it certainly doesn't look or seem instant. Whether Gaara can counter it or not, is debatable. But to declare this a sure shot win on instantaneous factor is laughable when the manga doesn't support it.

Reading comprehension is also a common sense affair. The one you seem to ruefully lack. Kakashi makes no such claim, yet you believe it. Kamui has always shown a warp tear and the swirling warp, yet you deny it. And these are pictures as well. Don't talk smack like a 5 year old kindergartener. I don't like it, nor will you like me if I start taking you seriously. Keep it civil.

Instant is just that, instant. Since Kakashi's Kamui - OR Obito's object warping version - isn't instant like FTG teleportation, then kindly, don't make such a claim or use this word. 'It's fast' would be appropriate. Whether Gaara's sand is able to reach fast enough is debatable as I already mentioned. Which is why I never even gave Gaara a win but left this whole fight up in the air.

Don't recall saying this.

EDIT - ill be logging off for the night shelke so i wont be replying.

You repped the guy who literally wrote the biggest Rinnegan related Bull Shit I have come across here. What do you want me to say?

And I am going to bed.

 

[garas56]

Kakashi>>>>>garaa especialy with full intel.....

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kamui's warp point is quick but the warping action is not.

So warping a susanoo arrow within milliseconds is not quick?

Okay bro.

 

[Champ]

Once Gaara starts to fly Kakashi has no chance. Sand tsunami ends it

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

once again

Spoiler

Kamui gg

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kakashi low diff

- Suiton turns Gaara's sand to mud
- Raikiri, lightning transmission and so on pierce through Gaara's sand like butter

Kakashi is also by a great gap faster, smarter and skilful in terms of ninjutsu. Flying won't help Gaara as well because of kamui

Of course, I almost forgot Kakashi's D rank suiton can turn a desert into mud.

 

[itachi49]

Gaara will play sandbox in the other dimension while Kakashi will continu to read his book.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Once Gaara starts to fly Kakashi has no chance. Sand tsunami ends it

What part about kamui is it hard to understand?

So warping a susanoo arrow within milliseconds is not quick?

Okay bro.

Lol, there's like no discussion here. There is no "warp point" and it's instantaneous. The quotes this kid has posted was from the same chapter that proved so.

He was going to 'Tear the neck'.

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. Secondly, when Kakashi made no such claims, then should I take you seriously? Obviously, Kakashi had enough Chakra and speed to make this a sure shot affair. The manga - I REPEAT - doesn't need to show the same damn thing every single time. The fact remains, that the warping action is shown on many places and it certainly doesn't look or seem instant. Whether Gaara can counter it or not, is debatable. But to declare this a sure shot win on instantaneous factor is laughable when the manga doesn't support it.

Reading comprehension is also a common sense affair. The one you seem to ruefully lack. Kakashi makes no such claim, yet you believe it. Kamui has always shown a warp tear and the swirling warp, yet you deny it. And these are pictures as well. Don't talk smack like a 5 year old kindergartener. I don't like it, nor will you like me if I start taking you seriously. Keep it civil.

Instant is just that, instant. Since Kakashi's Kamui - OR Obito's object warping version - isn't instant like FTG teleportation, then kindly, don't make such a claim or use this word. 'It's fast' would be appropriate. Whether Gaara's sand is able to reach fast enough is debatable as I already mentioned. Which is why I never even gave Gaara a win but left this whole fight up in the air.



You repped the guy who literally wrote the biggest Rinnegan related Bull Shit I have come across here. What do you want me to say?

And I am going to bed.

Their kamui is NOT the same thing, are you reading the manga? Read the wiki page on it. Obito can't suck in at long range and has to touch to suck in, Kakashi doesn't have to, but what kakashi cannot do is suck himself in to become intangible. The intangibility is the same speed as kakashi's warp, but obito's warp takes some time, EVEN THEN it is fast enough to warp to Sausage and get him out of getting destroyed on an atomic level, while saving himself.

Kid, you said it YOURSELF. HE WARPED THE BUNSHIN AS IT VANISHED. THAT IS INSTANTANEOUS. HE WAS FASTER THAN THE STAKE OBITO PULLED OUT THAT KILLED IT. HE WARPED THE THING AS IT TURNED TO SMOKE.

Or can you not read/see?

Yes, the warping is visible, that doesn't stop it from being instantaneous. Refer to when he warped Gyuuki. You clearly don't understand how kamui works, and your strategy to counter it is so terribly written and your argument is based off of denying facts that are right in front of you, it's sad. Kamui warps in a nanosecond, kakashi's. Obito's sucks in slowly. Read the wikia page. Any person with a fourth grade intelligence can tell that the two are different. This is like not even speculation anymore, this is pure reading, something you clearly cannot do. Also none of your scans have done anything for your "argument", if anything, commodated mine.

Low diff.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Lol Shelke stop arguing with Kamui Fanboys, they're retarded and can't process manga scans.


>Kamui warped Susano'o arrow instantly. Lol... The susano'o arrow was moving linearly directly to his head, all he had to do was open the kamui point infront the arrows. The arrow would never be able to pass that warp point and slowly be warped through. Idiots alone use this as evidence

>Kamui instantly Warped naruto bushin. Kamui shown building up on rasengan for 2 panels but it's instant. Idiots again lol.

>Kamui instantly warped a nail moving to kakashi's Eyes. My sides.

Kamui's never warped anything instantly and needs a build up of chakra to warp bigger things. Anything bigger than a nail is taking time. These fanboys lel. Gaara throws up Sand dome around himself in the scan and uses sand sensing to find kakashi. GG Kamui 1 shot, gaara then tosses sand tsunami's after kakashi. Buh bye

 

[EKSITE]

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Gaara for the win

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Ok then, pro argument there, read

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The kamui ARE different. Obito claims his is the real power of it. [

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He warped the bunshin AS IT

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and exerted it again,

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It coming towards its head has nothing to do with it. You can't redirect from the warp point because once it shows up, it's instantaneous. The right and left eye of kamui are executed differently. Your terribad, futile arguments backing gaara won't wprk. Ez win

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ok then, pro argument there, read

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The kamui ARE different. Obito claims his is the real power of it. [

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He warped the bunshin AS IT

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and exerted it again,

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It coming towards its head has nothing to do with it. You can't redirect from the warp point because once it shows up, it's instantaneous. The right and left eye of kamui are executed differently. Your terribad, futile arguments backing gaara won't wprk. Ez win

Nice troll bait. Kamui Fanboys y u so funny? Posting scans you don't even read.

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Because kakashi charging up the necessary chakra needed by kamui to warp someone, for half a page before, means nothing.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Nice troll bait. Kamui Fanboys y u so funny? Posting scans you don't even read.

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Because kakashi charging up the necessary chakra needed by kamui to warp someone, for half a page before, means nothing.

And a few pages before that he admitted with the chakra he had wasted during the war he only had enough for a few more. And all that happened there was the eye turning from 3t to Mangekyou. He had to time it so he could get it right at the exact time, so he'd think instead the rasengan was warped, but in actuality, he warped the clone as it dissapeared, both faster than the dissapearance AND the stake killing it.