[Theory] Princess Kaguya and Rikudou's Tribe Became the Uzumaki Clan

[Mr Hiru]

SO6P is not an uzumaki. Derp obito's theory was awesome and everything made sense. However, now lets wait for kishi to reveal what exactly happened.

This post is just speculating without any proof or any analysis. Kishi will explain the connection between Naruto and SO6P lets be patient.

You got it. You're a wise one.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Once again, good theory. But wouldnt "Converting his and his mothers tribe members and kindred into the modern Shinobi-Era Clan. Which became the Uzumaki Clan" make him convert his sons? Its possible, but i dont see enough evidence to support it, apart from more supportless things.

And now some mandatory smugness. Smugness over.

 

[Zee Seh]

okkk now.... i must say its a plausible theory Derp.. nice assumption on ur part.. actually i was waiting fr u to make a thread to back up ur previous theory after this manga chapter. =D
but as u said Kaguya's tribe became uzumakis..can u explain how all the members of dat tribe got all super bodies( extraodinadry life fore and all) if only sage and his mother were the one to yeild the power of the forbidden fruit.. Uzumaki's are know for their So called super bodies.. but during PRE shinobi era only Sage and Kaguya were the one having large chakra.. and rest of their tribe was just like other odinary fodder humans with no power and nothing... but still i like ur theory and the arguments of other members are also strong...

 

[BazzBee]

A very plausable theory indeed.

 

[Klad]

Yeah , I agree . People jump into conclusions only beacause 1 chapter .

 

[girya]

You got it. You're a wise one.

There is too much emphasis on SO6P's clan on the base. I think connection between Naruto and him is more based on other significant factors. Itachi rightly burned Shishui's eye seeing his feelings.. his intent and determination was identified by the tailed beasts. I would be disappointed to see Naruto being an chosen one just becoz he is Uzumaki or he is related to SO6P. It kills the importance on individual effort/determination and one of the main theme of the story will be undermined.... "The will of fire"

 

[Draphsin]

I'm going to agree with you mainly because it seems rather convincing. Even if it's not 100% confirmed there are still strong possibilities that shouldn't be disregarded just because we now have the sages surname.

 

[Blitz3d]

Shut up, please. You have no proof for your theory, you've got a bunch of pictures to make it look nice but realistically you have no substance.

Anyone could claim ANYTHING if it hasn't yet proved to be incorrect.

For instance, I could claim I have a theory concerning the fight between the Juubi and SO6P, that the SO6P didn't fight the Juubi but just sealed him.

It fits into the story, but is realistically complete bullshit, with no evidence pointing to it.

Your "I firmly believe" is fooling nobody.

Stop trying to save some pride, accept you were wrong.

You sound so tough behind that keyboard aye, Kishimoto?

 

[Honord Sage]

The symbols on the SO6P Back still represent the Ancient linage of Uzumaki,Uchiha and Senju apparently after the division of the two brothers each took a Symbol of the SO6P to represent each new Clan that was form. The Uzumaki took the large swirled Symbol to represent the Uzumaki, the Uchiha took the symbols that appear like tears to make the eye symbol and the Senju the lines to form the present Senju symbol,and perhaps other clans took symbol from the early days to make their own Madara did say millennium in that time symbols like people evolve over time like language dose,take English from Old English of Beowulf that todays English speakers would find hard to believe is English the Symbols each have evolve over time and their original meaning can be lost or change. If English survives for a million years from now would it not change again? And our symbols too?

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I ask again are you Kishimoto, then you have the same level of credibility he does.

You aren't even presenting a counter argument, all you have are insults.

Actually part of his theory did come true, he said the body of the Senju stems from the Ten Tails, and the Ten Tails being a tree and the Senju clan being of the forest with Hashirama and his Wood Release.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about common sense that an ancestor will have more than one descendant.

 

[Blaze Release]

Im not going to address this directly as i do not believe rikuodu is an uzumaki but rather those who hold to the belief that his father is now the uzumaki.

Firstly instead of explaining it, ill identify it.
So far how many shinobi's do we know of who the manga has revealed both their parents.

Hashi/mads/tobi/izuna. The manga only showed their father and not their mother
Kakashi. The manga only showed his father and not the mother
Hiruzen the manga also states his father (sasuke), not the mother.
Ei, his father but not his mother

Now how many shinobi's in the series that the manga hasn't stated either their parents
Kushina we know nothing of either her parents
Minato noth of either his parents
Oro, nothing of either his parents
Jiraiya nothing
Tsunade nothing
Nagato, no name of his parents
Kabuto?.
3rd raikage nothing
Mu, nothing

Out of the akatsuki its only 2-3 people do we know of their parents, the rest nothing.
Out of the hokage's some of the most important characters in the series we either know of one parent or neither.

What i am trying to say is that many, many in fact there is but only a few characters in the series that the manga has identified both their parents. Majority have either parent not being stated or both. Do you know why?

Because they are irrelevant to the story line


Holding to you near the possibility that the sage's father will be an uzumaki is a futile dream. If anything the fact that he has not been mentioned states that he like the other examples i have given of important shinobi's the manga either hasn't stated both their parents of either, shows that he is irrelevant to the story line, he is not important to be drawn on paper or given panel/name.

Next this is if we assume rikuodu had a human father. Its very possible that, after his mother ate the fruit, the seeds might have caused her pregnancy therefore the sage the sage's dad is actually the jubi indirectly, he has many traits of the jubi after all which yes might be connected to his mother eating the fruit, but also i am banking on the fruit causing the pregnancy.

Other thing, its possible that after his mother became a god more or less, anything is possible to her. I wouldn't be surprised that she might have gotten pregnant on her own. Basically using some form of inyouton like what madara did to create zetsu or rikudou used in the form of banbutsu sozo to create the bijuu's. Its not the first time that in a story/myth/religion females have gotten pregnant by their own in some way. Hera the queen of the gods in greek myth gave birth to Hephaestus without zeus.

Finally those who claim it was something similar to minato's scenario with naruto is another futile point. Reason naruto's name wasn't namkizake is because minato had many enemies who will threaten naruto in the future.

Rikudou's mother was a princess, while his father well we know nothing of. But as the princess she might have had enemies. If anything its the fathers name is what would have protected him and not his mothers. Secondly rikudou's mother was basically a god and nothing in the manga states that she died after giving birth to rikuodu, therefore she was alive and looking after her son unlike minato/kushina, therefore there was no need to change his name to protect him when his mother a god was alive. Finally rikuodu is a prince, i would think that he had a fair few bodyguards around him therefore him gaining a name change like naruto would be futile

 

[Uchiha Samater]

theres alooootta idiots in NB i must say

you can agree or disagree but it is a theory regardless,

a theory for those still too slow to understand, is an opinion, laid with reasoning, expressed articulately or not [in this case the prior], and once the story unfolds it becomes either proven or disproved

the fact of the matter is, we do not know the full story, so if kishi decides to leave it here regarding the sage and his mother, then it is always open to speculation, just as his theory holds no facts nor does yours regarding this one

damn man, whatever happened to having fun and speculating why you think a certain thing will happen

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I ask again are you Kishimoto, then you have the same level of credibility he does.

You aren't even presenting a counter argument, all you have are insults.

Actually part of his theory did come true, he said the body of the Senju stems from the Ten Tails, and the Ten Tails being a tree and the Senju clan being of the forest with Hashirama and his Wood Release.

You sound so tough behind that keyboard aye, Kishimoto?

I said please....

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

theres alooootta idiots in NB i must say

you can agree or disagree but it is a theory regardless,

a theory for those still too slow to understand, is an opinion, laid with reasoning, expressed articulately or not [in this case the prior], and once the story unfolds it becomes either proven or disproved

the fact of the matter is, we do not know the full story, so if kishi decides to leave it here regarding the sage and his mother, then it is always open to speculation, just as his theory holds no facts nor does yours regarding this one

damn man, whatever happened to having fun and speculating why you think a certain thing will happen

Everyone is entitled to speculate, and shouldn't be harassed for it if they are wrong. However I dislike the way he represents his own opinions as facts, and adds filler to the theory to make it seem like he has evidence.

 

[Draxus]

There is too much emphasis on SO6P's clan on the base. I think connection between Naruto and him is more based on other significant factors. Itachi rightly burned Shishui's eye seeing his feelings.. his intent and determination was identified by the tailed beasts. I would be disappointed to see Naruto being an chosen one just becoz he is Uzumaki or he is related to SO6P. It kills the importance on individual effort/determination and one of the main theme of the story will be undermined.... "The will of fire"

100% Agreed with this guy.

 

[GrayParadise]

I don't buy this.
There's no actual reason or incentive provided for him to want to change his 'tribe' name.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Everyone is entitled to speculate, and shouldn't be harassed for it if they are wrong. However I dislike the way he represents his own opinions as facts, and adds filler to the theory to make it seem like he has evidence.

its good you agree, however adding what he believes as a base for his theory also part of his entitlement?

isn't that a NB, no wait isn't that an EVERY FORUM EVER past time to add what you believe as evidence to your argument?

still no reason to belittle someone

we are all here as anime/manga lovers, lets converse at a level where we don't lose that

awesome sig btw lol

 

[Bronze]

this bullsh1t Uzumaki again.

Sir Derp Obito, i enjoy reading your theories but it appears that your old Uzumaki so6p theory have been proven wrong and ever since that you haven't admitted that you were wrong.

1) SO6P chakra and bloodline (cells) have been divided into Yin + Yang which are Elder Son + Younger Son. With that being said, SO6P original bloodline and chakra signature are combination of Uchiha and Senju.

2) Uzumaki have inherited the Younger Son chakra sig and bloodline which are linked to senju. hence why they have large chakra + powerful body + long life.

If Uzumaki descendants of SO6P, they would have his rinnegan and all of his Yin powers which they don't have.

The Uchiha and Senju were the real descendatns of SO6P and Uzumaki and Hyuuga came from them meaning they came after them.

Just stop it. your theories have all been proven wrong. i don't why you keep doing it when manga states otherwise.

 

[Cammo]

im not gunna bother reading 5 pages worth of writing.

tho I Will point this out Why was the uzumakis the main Clan for seal's and so forth ?

and to look at kushina's chakara (chakara chains) = sealing method

and well it seems fishy that the uzumaki's were the only ones that knew alot about seals

 

[Mr Hiru]

This theory is based on the possibility of the Sage having brothers, since the Sage had only two sons (Sir Derp just said it to me), and taking in account the high chakra reserves on the Uzumaki bloodline, then the Sage's younger brothers/sisters formed the Uzumaki Clan due the chakra in their bloodline.

The main problem of this theory is that it's based on an assumption, something that removes credibility from the theory.

The paradox that I mentioned earlier is as following:

- The sage was the first human born with chakra
- The fruit growth once in a millenium, and princess Kaguya was the one to eat it
- Chakra = Yin + Yang Energy, or Spiritual + Physical Energy (same thing)

The sage being able to teach ninjutsu is not possible with these things in mind, because if people are not born with chakra, then people don't have Yin and Yang Energy to start with. Ergo, even if they are taught, they can't use this knowledge unless... they have spiritual+physical energy (chakra) in their bodies.

If the sage was the first human born with chakra, then he is the first human born with yin and yang energy to mold chakra. If this was not the case, then other people would be born with chakra, and this is a clear contradiction to the pages I posted earlier.

This is the main reason of why I need a logic answer that can offer rebuttal to my statements. I alude to manga facts, I need to be convinced logically...