The Future Vs The Past

[ReverseZero12]

Basically, this battle is Current Edo Madara Vs EMS Madara

Conditions: EMS Madara has the kyuubi in full swing. Madara starts off with the kyuubi cloaked in PS
Restrictions: Edo Madara is alive so he has no edo benefits but he has the rinnegan and wood release. However note that his stamina is still pretty huge.
Location: Open grassland area. No obstacles for both parties and nowhere to hide.

What do you guys think?

 

[Bronze]

edo madara still wins this. Wood dragon restrains PS and absorbs chakra, then Madara creates mokuton bunshins and restrain kyuubi, when that happens, Edo madara PS can fight equally against EMS Madara PS and edo madara PS wins because its enhanced with senju DNA.

edo madara wins low-mid diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

By feats, Edo Madara loses. His only chance would be to disable Kurama before VoTE Madara can coat him with Susanoo, but not even Hashirama was able to do that, so the chances of that happening are zero.

Once PS Kurama comes out Edo Madara has no way of defeating it.

-Meteors are fodder to PS or Kurama let alone them put together.
-Base Mokuton was already proven ineffective against PS Kurama.
-PS isn't going to defeat PS and Kurama put together, that's fallacious logic.
-Edo Madara isn't going to tank

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with PS. Nor can Edo Madara produce anything remotely on that level.
-Edo Madara isn't going to try and absorb them all with Preta Path since that would lead to PS Sword slash killing him since Preta and Susanoo can't be used in conjunction at all. Even with the use of clones.
-Gedo Mazo is useless due to the added power and defense of PS.

 

[Bronze]

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[KidGamer65]

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Better=/=Stronger. Sorry pal. The feats don't lie.

 

[Bronze]

Better=/=Stronger. Sorry pal. The feats don't lie.

feats already say edo madara wins this.

-Edo Madara can use EMS to take control of kyuubi as well therefore, it turns into his advantage
-Edo Madara can make 25 clones with all using mokuton dragon, and we have seen wood dragon catching PS slash as shown in here (

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) left down side and 25 mokuton dragon should do the job
-Edo Madara can absorb any bijuu dama no matter what number and he has the feat of absorbing millions of attacks (

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) bijuu dama are child play

feats say edo madara wins this without trying.

 

[KidGamer65]

feats already say edo madara wins this.

-Edo Madara can use EMS to take control of kyuubi as well therefore, it turns into his advantage
-Edo Madara can make 25 clones with all using mokuton dragon, and we have seen wood dragon catching PS slash as shown in here (

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) left down side and 25 mokuton dragon should do the job
-Edo Madara can absorb any bijuu dama no matter what number and he has the feat of absorbing millions of attacks (

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) bijuu dama are child play

feats say edo madara wins this without trying.

-Edo Madara's EMS would need to overpower EMS Madara's which isn't happening as they are the same level of Dojutsu. Not to mention he'd need to make eyecontact, and that isn't happening unless Madara wants a Bijuu Dama or a Sword Slash to the face.

-You are going to need scans of him being able to do that. There is nothing to suggest he can summon 25 Wood Dragons after splitting his chakra 25 times especially when OP clearly stated that he has no Edo benefits.

-Never stated that he couldn't, he'd just need to put Susanoo down first, and if he does that, then

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kills him.

 

[Bronze]

-Edo Madara's EMS would need to overpower EMS Madara's which isn't happening as they are the same level of Dojutsu. Not to mention he'd need to make eyecontact, and that isn't happening unless Madara wants a Bijuu Dama or a Sword Slash to the face.

-You forget edo Madara has chakra receivers on his side and he can manipulate anyone if stabbed them. He stabs Kyuubi then he can reflects his EMS on its eyes like Obito did (

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-You are going to need scans of him being able to do that. There is nothing to suggest he can summon 25 Wood Dragons after splitting his chakra 25 times especially when OP clearly stated that he has no Edo benefits.

-Edo Madara chakra was still the same when he was alive with senju DNA. edo madara already has the feat of creating 25 susanoo so creating 25 wood dragons wont be a problem unless you're sayin L3 susanoo uses less chakra than wood dragon.

this [/URL]kills him.

-^^^

 

[KidGamer65]

-You forget edo Madara has chakra receivers on his side and he can manipulate anyone if stabbed them. He stabs Kyuubi then he can reflects his EMS on its eyes like Obito did (

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He's gonna stab Kyuubi through Susanoo? Yeah right. Not happening.

-Edo Madara chakra was still the same when he was alive with senju DNA. edo madara already has the feat of creating 25 susanoo so creating 25 wood dragons wont be a problem unless you're sayin L3 susanoo uses less chakra than wood dragon.

I hope you know that Edo Madara doesn't get tired from using all that chakra at once. An Alive Madara would. But since I don't feel like getting into this, fine, lets say he can do this. This would mean that he doesn't have Susanoo activated, and he gets killed by Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama and the Wood Dragons all get destroyed like Hashirama's did in the manga, by Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama.

 

[Bronze]

He's gonna stab Kyuubi through Susanoo? Yeah right. Not happening.



I hope you know that Edo Madara doesn't get tired from using all that chakra at once. An Alive Madara would. But since I don't feel like getting into this, fine, lets say he can do this. This would mean that he doesn't have Susanoo activated, and he gets killed by Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama and the Wood Dragons all get destroyed like Hashirama's did in the manga, by Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama.

you're talking as if EMS Madara is gonna start off with PS and kyuubi in start of the match right away. EMS Madara has never done such a thing like this. I have already showed a scan of Edo Madara creating preta path to absrobs bijuu dama (

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). he already proved he can create preta path barrier large enough to cover the fronts of V1 juubi body.

 

[KidGamer65]

you're talking as if EMS Madara is gonna start off with PS and kyuubi in start of the match right away. EMS Madara has never done such a thing like this. I have already showed a scan of Edo Madara creating preta path to absrobs bijuu dama (

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). he already proved he can create preta path barrier large enough to cover the fronts of V1 juubi body.

He isn't, but its not like it matters cause Edo Madara can't stop him from getting to PS Kyuubi. He isn't going to stand there and let Kurama get stabbed by chakra receivers or anything at all when he can protect him with Susanoo like he did

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.

Like I said, he goes to absorb Bijuu Dama (Which will take some time)

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kills him during the process.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Prime Madara has much more destructive prowess, mainly due to the 100% Kyuubi having nigh-infinite chakra. Edo Madara gets nuked with Bijuudama Shuriken spam.

 

[Bronze]

He isn't, but its not like it matters cause Edo Madara can't stop him from getting to PS Kyuubi. He isn't going to stand there and let Kurama get stabbed by chakra receivers or anything at all when he can protect him with Susanoo like he did

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.

Like I said, he goes to absorb Bijuu Dama (Which will take some time)

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kills him during the process.

Edo Madara can just keep EMS Madara away from kyuubi while that happens, Edo Madara creates a clone and go for mokuton dragon and retrain Kyuubi (

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) while retraining it, he can go for the chakra receiver while the real edo madara can keep EMS Madara busy and away from kyuubi.

Not to also mention, edo madara already has all knowledge on ems madara techniques and thinking abilities because he is mixture of EMS madara while EMS Madara doesn't know on rinnegan and mokuton abilities.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Dude, Mokuryuu got annihilated twice in 2 pages

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and

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.

Madara's Mokuryuu is also significantly smaller than Hashirama's.

Not to mention that the bijuu suppression does not work when Kurama is coated with PS armor.

 

[Bronze]

Dude, Mokuryuu got annihilated twice in 2 pages

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and

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.

Madara's Mokuryuu is also significantly smaller than Hashirama's.

Not to mention that the bijuu suppression does not work when Kurama is coated with PS armor.

i have given my explanation above.

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara can just keep EMS Madara away from kyuubi while that happens, Edo Madara creates a clone and go for mokuton dragon and retrain Kyuubi (

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) while retraining it, he can go for the chakra receiver while the real edo madara can keep EMS Madara busy and away from kyuubi.

Last time Kyuubi was bound by Wood Dragon, A bijuu Dama was fired. If he does that, he fires Bijuu Dama,

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happens, and then to defend, Madara does

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. Just like what happened in the manga.

Edo Madara isn't getting him off the Kyuubi, not a chance.

Not to also mention, edo madara already has all knowledge on ems madara techniques and thinking abilities because he is mixture of EMS madara while EMS Madara doesn't know on rinnegan and mokuton abilities.

He has full knowledge on Mokuton since Hashirama has it.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

i have given my explanation above.

The OP states Edo Madara does not get the Edo benefits, that includes his unlimited stamina. He can't use all the jutsus you said he can use while using clones. Clones divide his chakra in two for every clone he makes. Also, there is nothing that states that 1 Mokuryuu takes up as much chakra as 1 Susanoo clone.

 

[Penguin]

KidGamer you gotta quit debating with them. You will kill yourself. Don't go down to their level.

EMS Madara + 100% Kurama > Rinnegan Madara [Not Edo].

 

[Bronze]

Using the same panels from the VOTE fight. edo madara already knows everything about EMS Madara + kyuubi. the tactics and counters.

Not to mention, i haven't even used the meteor (the power of Rikudou Sennin) in this debate yet. All of EMS Madara techniques are countered by edo madara and edo madara can just go for the kill with rinnegan techniques.

if PS coated Kyuubi then edo Madara drops a 2 meteor. 12 TBB + PS Blades aren't destroying a technique that's the size of desert.