BM Minato is stronger than Healthy Nagato

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Kind of a long thread...

Even though rank wise, I have minato and nagato kinda tied at #5/6 in my current top 10, I think minato can beat him if it came down to a 1v1 between two.

Nagato still doesn't have a truly confirmed counter for FTG, but I'll explaining how minato can counter nagato's abilities and have a high chance at win this fight more times than not.


Preta Path: Absorbs Chakra/Ninjutsu

I already know that people will say nagato can absorb minato's cloak with preta path, naruto was in this same situation when he got compared against nagato in a 1v1 before he got BSM. BUT minato is different from naruto, he has a completely different jutsu and fighting style. Nagato would be very stupid to attempt to get close to minato just to try to absorb some chakra because we all know minato has FTG. So as soon as nagato gets close minato can easily blitz him, nagato isn't known for his speed, while minato is the fastest. Or minato can even let nagato catch him because this'll allow minato to EASILY touch nagato and put the FTG marking on him, and minato can escape nagato's hold via FTG (after marking him). Once minato put a FTG marking on nagato the fight will be over very soon afterwards. If nagato manages to wound minato in the process, the kyuubi has healing features to heal minato. That's a good price to pay....take a hit to mark nagato.

This path is still useful though because tbb and rasengan are still useless even now, BUT minato doesn't spam rasengan like naruto so nagato won't be absorbing much of minato's chakra at all. Minato uses a simple kunai to the face to kill people, even strong shinobi. Minato has owned A, killer bee and obito (twice) all with a kunai, and nagato won't be any different from them.

Preta path cant absorb a kunai to the face....js

Now that preta is out of the way, ill explain how minato counters all the other paths.

Deva path: Chibaku Tensei & Shinra Tensei

Chibaku Tensei

1. Its confirmed that nagato himself has to be in a specific range for chibaku tensei to work.

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With that being said, minato can use space time barrier to warp chibaku tensei away from nagato and it would be out of range and would obviously stop working.

Chibaku tensei pulls minato into it, so all minato has to do in activate the barrier and chibaku tensei will pull itself inside minato's barrier. It'll look something like this

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Not to mention minato can choose where he wants to send chibaku tensei or anything else he uses the barrier on. (look at the bottom right panel ^^^)

2. Minato has tbb now, so minato can easily use multiple tbb to break chibaku tensei.

healthy nagato's chibaku tensei, so im sure 3 or more tbb can break chibaku tensei.

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3. If #1 & 2 fails (which I don't think it will), Minato has kyuubi just like naruto and he has BM mode now and I think this picture speaks for it's self IMO

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Shinra Tensei

This is obviously nagato's best chance of winning but now that minato has bm mode, he SHOULD be able to tank this since naruto's BM/KM mode tanked the juubi's nuke, even madara was shocked to see that the nuke didn't work. And minato has kyuubi too, so he can do the same. (im sure juubi nuke>>>shinra tensei)

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After nagato uses the bigger version of shinra tensei, he cant use deva path anymore for a long time and minato will definitely end the fight here.

Shinra Tensei also has the 5 second interval and if base naruto can take advantage of this then im positive that minato can let alone bm minato

Animal Path: Summon Jutsus

1. Contract seal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Animal path

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Nagato wont be able to summon anything else and minato can summon toads to fight what nagato summoned. The toads fought good against pain's summonings during the pain arc.

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2. BM mode has fought 6 tailed beast at the same time. I know killer bee helped a little but animal summonings are weaker than tailed beast, so they don't stand a chance.

Human Path: Removes Soul

This gets countered the exact same way as preta path, this path requires nagato to physically touch minato (which is unlikely). Nagato used this on KM naruto and he was still able to move/attack.

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So minato should be able to FTG away (after marking nagato) since this path takes some time to remove the soul.

Asura Path: Adds limbs/Weaponry

This path is kinda basic to explain a counter...

It will give nagato extra arms but I don't know how this will stop minato to be honest.

It can also can turn nagato into something like a , but this can simply be dodged even by foot speed or space time barrier will deal with this, it's not as unique as the other path's abilities.

Naraka Path: Restoration/Interrogation

Restoration

This can be a little troublesome but it's not a jutsu to cause damage to minato. So in other words this path is useless in this fight.

If nagato is using his actual body then this part of the path is literally useless since there will be no path to revive, only the real body of nagato. And if he uses the 6 bodies then minato is smart enough to kill the path that's reviving everyone first like naruto did.

Interrogation

This only works if minato is captured, just like preta & human path. Minato is too fast to get caught and nagato was about to use this on naruto but naruto was still moving so minato should be able to use FTG to escape nagato's hold on him. Even konohamaru got out of this with a simple clone trick.

What do you think? Agreed?? If not explain why not.
 

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Nagato > BSM Naruto/BM Minato until Naruto eats the Fruit from the God Tree.
 

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EDIT: I failed miserably thinking this thread said Naruto.

But yes I do agree that BM Minato can beat a healthy Nagato.

mid difficulty.
 
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BM Minato cannot use FTG in BM otherwise we would have seen him doing it to teleport Naruto. Minato hasn't shown Multiple TBB so no.

Nagato wins.
 

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Imho no...I disagree....respectfully of course.:win::flirty::happy:
 

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Nagato has a perfect counter to FTG.
Shinra tensi.
GL marking him.

'BM minato' never really existed..
But let's say he does.

Nagato still wins, if he's healthy he can ST/CT very powerfully, Hide in Summons, Fly away.

If Nagato gets on that bird it's over, Minato has no long range attacks except Bijuudama, Absorbed by preta..

GG, Nagato wins mid dif
 

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Nagato > BSM Naruto/BM Minato until Naruto eats the Fruit from the God Tree.

no...

Of course. And Bijuu Sage Mode is complete overkill.

Naruto would only struggle against Nagato in base mode, and Kyuubi mode.

I said minato not naruto....

BM Minato cannot use FTG in BM otherwise we would have seen him doing it to teleport Naruto. Minato hasn't shown Multiple TBB so no.

Nagato wins.

he still wins without it, look at my first explaination of how to counter chibaku tensei.

Imho no...I disagree....respectfully of course.:win::flirty::happy:

ok but no explanation?
 

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Nagato has a perfect counter to FTG.
Shinra tensi.
GL marking him.

'BM minato' never really existed..
But let's say he does.

Nagato still wins, if he's healthy he can ST/CT very powerfully, Hide in Summons, Fly away.

If Nagato gets on that bird it's over, Minato has no long range attacks except Bijuudama, Absorbed by preta..

GG, Nagato wins mid dif

did you read?

minato can sense btw
 

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he still wins without it, look at my first explaination of how to counter chibaku tensei.

you say he can use multiple TBB something that we cannot be sure that he can use them.

FTG kunai are countered by shinra tensie.

Minato's cloak is made of pure chakra which Nagato can absorb easily.

Nagato can heal himself by using asura path to replace or naraka path to heal his injuries as seen through Pain.

sorry but Nagato > Minato.
 

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some kinda of logic he just came up with

this isn't like obito trying to use kamui with the juubi...

VIZ clearly said that Obito admitted that he cannot use it. deny like the denials.
 

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he hasn't teleported so Tobirama had to it for him.
( )

you either missed or forgot a few pages



Minato does not have a marking on obito so he cant use ftg, it vanished, only tobirama has it
 

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you say he can use multiple TBB something that we cannot be sure that he can use them.

FTG kunai are countered by shinra tensie.

Minato's cloak is made of pure chakra which Nagato can absorb easily.

Nagato can heal himself by using asura path to replace or naraka path to heal his injuries as seen through Pain.

sorry but Nagato > Minato.

ok BUT minato's new cloak can tank shinra tensei. SO, how will nagato counter during his 5 second interval???

did you not read?? if nagato touches minato to use preta path, minato can easily touch him back and put a FTg mark on this, what now?? gg

asuma path only did so much before it was at it's limit and finally died, its not a super healing ability

he hasn't teleported so Tobirama had to it for him.
( )

SMH because tobirama has the FTG marking on obito NOT minato

tobirama is always the one using FTG because he put the mark on obito

if minato had a mark on obito now, he would be able to use FTG but he doesnt

VIZ clearly said that Obito admitted that he cannot use it. deny like the denials.

are you trolling?? this is about minato using FTG, not about obito not being able to use kamui

nowhere in the manga did minato say he couldn't use FTG while in BM mode

Nagato solos.

says the guy without an explanation
 

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did you read?

minato can sense btw

Almost 80% of your arguments are invalid
You're saying "Healthy Nagato' not SPOP, so he can't just beat 1 path at a time.
You can't use a Spacetime barrier on CT, it's pure gravitational pull, it doesn't have a form, but let's assume he can.
As soon as Minato tries to use a contract seal, he's touching Nagato, Nagato then Holds him in place with a few arms ( stronger than Bee+Naruto ) Drains his chakra and or pulls his soul out, so Contract seals won't work.

Nagato VS Naruto was kind of biased, As soon as Nagato had Naruto it was over, he could have drained him clean right then if he wanted to, or stabbed him, immobilizing him.

Nagato Counters FTG with ST/CT, he can send all his kunai to where ever he likes, and if CT would destroy any seals on things. Space time takes handsigns, and a small prep time, easily interrupted by Summons,Rockets, Deva abilities or just the CT itself.

ST isn't a great choice here, but he can use the other one that drags minato towards him, Then drain his chakra, his soul or just stab him....


It took Nagato seconds to drain 8tail cloak from bee.

Nagato wins mid dif.
 

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you either missed or forgot a few pages



Minato does not have a marking on obito so he cant use ftg, it vanished, only tobirama has it

Minato has said he can teleport people who directly have his chakra:
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you seem to forget Minato also gave Naruto some chakra:
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Minato cannot use FTG in BM (manga fact).

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