Is Madara A Bad Guy Or A Good Guy? Please Read

[KingHashirama]

Lol no just no. when did Hitler ever wanted peace? last time i checked, he wanted world domination and killed millions of people because his pathetic ideals about the jews. that's not peace. you're linking different people with different goal.

Go reread history smartass. Hitler's main agenda was to make his country the successful nation.

Madara wants world domination.. if he wanted peace.. he would be promoting peace, not calling people pathetic and taking the rights of others =].


He saw the Jews as a threat.. eliminated them. Madara sees the alliance as a threat.. is eliminating them.

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

There is no way in which one can truly define 'good' and 'bad'; it all depends on how one chooses to perceive things.

 

[Bronze]

Go reread history smartass. Hitler's main agenda was to make his country the successful nation.

Madara wants world domination.. if he wanted peace.. he would be promoting peace, not calling people pathetic and taking the rights of others =].


He saw the Jews as a threat.. eliminated them. Madara sees the alliance as a threat.. is eliminating them.

you really have no idea what you are talking about trust me. how old are you?

go read the top 10 most evil people in history and you will see Hitler in top 5 because he killed innocent people for no reason.

jew weren't even threat at that time because most of them were poor. hitler hated them for no reason. he changed laws of school and made school boys and girls see the jew as a joke. do you even what the holocaust was?

i wont be teaching you history because you should have a teacher for that.

 

[Bronze]

Assuming Madara's actions and motives are true; it is two pronged. His actions that he committed and through Obito (who committed far more) were absolutely heinous and terrible; that's a bad person. But his goal, although morally repulsing, has a goal to it that has him thinking he is doing the good for the world as it is. So he isn't inherently bad. You could say he's a product of his environment; but his actions thus far are pretty abysmal and warrant the "Bad Guy" title.

true but overall Madara wanted peace which makes a little of a good person despite the things he has done. but in the end he wants good not bad.

 

[KingHashirama]

you really have no idea what you are talking about trust me. how old are you?

go read the top 10 most evil people in history and you will see Hitler in top 5 because he killed innocent people for no reason.

jew weren't even threat at that time because most of them were poor. hitler hated them for no reason. he changed laws of school and made school boys and girls see the jew as a joke. do you even what the holocaust was?

i wont be teaching you history because you should have a teacher for that.

And Madara is at the top of evil people in Naruto.. lmao. You think the shinobi world considers him a hero??

HE VIEWED ... it doesn't matter if they were or weren't.. he viewed them as a threat.. And why are you telling me stuff i already know? So you call Hitler evil.. but call someone like Madara a good guy.... where the logic?

 

[Bronze]

And Madara is at the top of evil people in Naruto.. lmao. You think the shinobi world considers him a hero??

HE VIEWED ... it doesn't matter if they were or weren't.. he viewed them as a threat.. And why are you telling me stuff i already know? So you call Hitler evil.. but call someone like Madara a good guy.... where the logic?

Hitler's goal /=/ Madara's goal.

Madara's = want complete happiness and world of winners/

Hitler's = world domination

learn the difference then come back.

 

[Transcendence]

Go reread history smartass. Hitler's main agenda was to make his country the successful nation.

Madara wants world domination.. if he wanted peace.. he would be promoting peace, not calling people pathetic and taking the rights of others =].


He saw the Jews as a threat.. eliminated them. Madara sees the alliance as a threat.. is eliminating them.

Actually, you're wrong.

He didn't see them as a threat. He saw them as imperfect and wanted a singular race of Blonde, Blue-Eyed people; as in his eyes, they were "perfect. Likewise Madara never said anything about World Domination. His goal (assuming it is truthful) is to eliminate the strife in the world and the concept of winners and losers so that people can live "peacefully". Yes it is morally repulsive, but that comes with the fact that the more hatred an Uchiha has, the more delusions surface with in their brains.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Madara was good until he got that Mad Uchiha Disease and went crazy. Until then, his views and Hashirama's were pretty much the same.

 

[Bronze]

Actually, you're wrong.

He didn't see them as a threat. He saw them as imperfect and wanted a singular race of Blonde, Blue-Eyed people; as in his eyes, they were "perfect. Likewise Madara never said anything about World Domination. His goal (assuming it is truthful) is to eliminate the strife in the world and the concept of winners and losers so that people can live "peacefully". Yes it is morally repulsive, but that comes with the fact that the more hatred an Uchiha has, the more delusions surface with in their brains.

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[KingHashirama]

Actually, you're wrong.

He didn't see them as a threat. He saw them as imperfect and wanted a singular race of Blonde, Blue-Eyed people; as in his eyes, they were "perfect. Likewise Madara never said anything about World Domination. His goal (assuming it is truthful) is to eliminate the strife in the world and the concept of winners and losers so that people can live "peacefully". Yes it is morally repulsive, but that comes with the fact that the more hatred an Uchiha has, the more delusions surface with in their brains.

You can read his book the Mein Kempf. He saw them a Financial threat, and then he wrote all the things about them to increase the propaganda.

Yet when was the last time Madara told everyone he wants peace? Sadly, it was only when he was manipulating a child called Obito.


A world where you are sole controller = World Domination, it is logic applied to facts.

The hatred of the Uchiha.. sadly that also is one of the biased things about Tobirama.

 

[Transcendence]

You can read his book the Mein Kempf. He saw them a Financial threat, and then he wrote all the things about them to increase the propaganda.

Yet when was the last time Madara told everyone he wants peace? Sadly, it was only when he was manipulating a child called Obito.


A world where you are sole controller = World Domination, it is logic applied to facts.

The hatred of the Uchiha.. sadly that also is one of the biased things about Tobirama.

How would they be a "Financial threat"? A while before the advent of the holocaust, most Jewish people were very poor. They didn't pose a problem at all to anyone's finances and the economy back then was much less intricate and didn't factor in nearly as many variables and stocks as it does now.

Madara's testimony about Peace was more or so brought upon by his constant losing to Hashirama. He felt sorrow for losing, and knew he would never win against him so long as they both existed. He lived a while after the fight, well in to the 3rd Shinobi war; so you can bet that he witnessed a lot of bloodshed and betrayal to come to that conclusion.

And there is no way Tobirama is wrong about that.. When Sasuke had emotional trauma about Itachi and the truth about him; HE AWAKENED THE MANGEKYOU.

 

[Bronze]

You can read his book the Mein Kempf. He saw them a Financial threat, and then he wrote all the things about them to increase the propaganda.

Yet when was the last time Madara told everyone he wants peace? Sadly, it was only when he was manipulating a child called Obito.


A world where you are sole controller = World Domination, it is logic applied to facts.

The hatred of the Uchiha.. sadly that also is one of the biased things about Tobirama.

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he was brainwashing everyone. Hitler was pure racist towards the jews.

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[KingHashirama]

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he was brainwashing everyone. Hitler was pure racist towards the jews.

[video=youtube;H5nzjkmtCOc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5nzjkmtCOc[/video]

And Is Madara not jealous of winners?

Madara says there wont' be winners or loosers in his world.. yet he will be the winner. Is that not racism? He hates the Senju.. he wanted to kill Tsunade first cause of that.. is that not racism? lmao.

Go read the Mein Kempf translations, and other documents from the Nazi. No need to provide me a video.....

 

[Bronze]

And Is Madara not jealous of winners?

Madara says there wont' be winners or loosers in his world.. yet he will be the winner. Is that not racism? He hates the Senju.. he wanted to kill Tsunade first cause of that.. is that not racism? lmao.

Go read the Mein Kempf translations, and other documents from the Nazi. No need to provide me a video.....

Madara wants a world where only winners and happiness be in it? how is that racism?:|

i think you should look at the white haired dude called ''Tobirama'' who always hated the Uchiha even when they didn't do anything to him. Lol even Hashirama keeps telling him to stop persecute the uchiha which is a form of racism. Also hating someone doesn't mean racism. Racism is when you do despise someone for a special characteristic they have, Madara wan't racist at all. Tobirama was.

Seriously how old are you?:|:|:|:|:|

 

[Xlad]

this post has been reported for going against the rules.

Least I'm not getting banned too often.

 

[KingHashirama]

How would they be a "Financial threat"? A while before the advent of the holocaust, most Jewish people were very poor. They didn't pose a problem at all to anyone's finances and the economy back then was much less intricate and didn't factor in nearly as many variables and stocks as it does now.

Madara's testimony about Peace was more or so brought upon by his constant losing to Hashirama. He felt sorrow for losing, and knew he would never win against him so long as they both existed. He lived a while after the fight, well in to the 3rd Shinobi war; so you can bet that he witnessed a lot of bloodshed and betrayal to come to that conclusion.

And there is no way Tobirama is wrong about that.. When Sasuke had emotional trauma about Itachi and the truth about him; HE AWAKENED THE MANGEKYOU.

@Bold, you would have to ask Hitler for that. =]. How are winners and loosers bad? How are the Senju bad? How is relating to Hashirama bad? How is defending for your rights bad? All excuses used by Madara to justify his world domination plan.. likewise was the reason with Hitler. You actually think he would've came to power with straight forward attacking the jews cause of how they look? lol. He actually provided how the jews held most of the upper level jobs.

Sentiment is part of life. It is the actions that define you. Madara in the end was too "bossy", it was always about him. Never tried to understand. He witnessed alot of bloodshed that had nothing to do with him..

Oh really no way is Tobirama wrong about that? Well considering Orochimaru a non-uchiha did more Worst things then Sasuke an uchiha derived by Hate... I would say hes pretty much wrong about it. Anyone consumed with hate follows the same logic.

Madara wants a world where only winners and happiness be in it? how is that racism?:|

i think you should look at the white haired dude called ''Tobirama'' who always hated the Uchiha even when they didn't do anything to him. Lol even Hashirama keeps telling him to stop persecute the uchiha which is a form of racism. Also hating someone doesn't mean racism. Racism is when you do despise someone for a special characteristic they have, Madara wan't racist at all. Tobirama was.

Seriously how old are you?:|:|:|:|:|

How old are you? is the question you should be asking your seld.


Is taking way peoples rights = good?

Taking away freedom = good?

Also, wasn't he just prejudicing against Tsunade for being a Senju.. lmao.

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Senju =race

Uchiha = race.

and so on.

 

[Transcendence]

@Bold, you would have to ask Hitler for that. =]. How are winners and loosers bad? How are the Senju bad? How is relating to Hashirama bad? How is defending for your rights bad? All excuses used by Madara to justify his world domination plan.. likewise was the reason with Hitler. You actually think he would've came to power with straight forward attacking the jews cause of how they look? lol. He actually provided how the jews held most of the upper level jobs.

Sentiment is part of life. It is the actions that define you. Madara in the end was too "bossy", it was always about him. Never tried to understand. He witnessed alot of bloodshed that had nothing to do with him..

Oh really no way is Tobirama wrong about that? Well considering Orochimaru a non-uchiha did more Worst things then Sasuke an uchiha derived by Hate... I would say hes pretty much wrong about it. Anyone consumed with hate follows the same logic.


How old are you? is the question you should be asking your seld.


Is taking way peoples rights = good?

Taking away freedom = good?

Also, wasn't he just prejudicing against Tsunade for being a Senju.. lmao.

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Senju =race

Uchiha = race.

and so on.

I already agreed that Madara's plan and or views were morally repulsive. But amongst his delusions, his intentions are more or so peace related; subjugation involved.

You're wrong about Orochimaru though. The factor you forget is that; he's not an Uchiha. Tobirama's assertion was that the optic nerve would flood with chakra that would only initiate if emotional trauma involved. Sasuke is a testament to that. Orochimaru doesn't have a Sharingan nor is he an Uchiha with the Pre-requisites to awaken any Sharingan under trauma.

 

[Bronze]

How old are you? is the question you should be asking your seld.


Is taking way peoples rights = good?

Taking away freedom = good?

Also, wasn't he just prejudicing against Tsunade for being a Senju.. lmao.

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Senju =race

Uchiha = race.

and so on.

me i am 16 in college.

is achieving peace = good?

is erasing hatred = good?

is creating a world of winners = good?

yes therefore the way you achieve it is considered good even by taking people's will rather than power of balance that lead to wars.

Madara hated Senju because they killed his brothers and family. did Tobirama hate the uchiha based on their racism? yes and he locked them in small area because he was racist.

from now on i am gonna call you KingMoron.

 

[KingHashirama]

I already agreed that Madara's plan and or views were morally repulsive. But amongst his delusions, his intentions are more or so peace related; subjugation involved.

You're wrong about Orochimaru though. The factor you forget is that; he's not an Uchiha. Tobirama's assertion was that the optic nerve would flood with chakra that would only initiate if emotional trauma involved. Sasuke is a testament to that. Orochimaru doesn't have a Sharingan nor is he an Uchiha with the Pre-requisites to awaken any Sharingan under trauma.

Wait what? I never connected Orochimaru to MS.. lol.

I said he has done far worst things then a EMS Sasuke, who according to Tobirama's logic is suppose to be prime of hate.

me i am 16 in college.

is achieving peace = good?

is erasing hatred = good?

is creating a world of winners = good?

yes therefore the way you achieve it is considered good even by taking people's will rather than power of balance that lead to wars.

Madara hated Senju because they killed his brothers and family. did Tobirama hate the uchiha based on their racism? yes and he locked them in small area because he was racist.

from now on i am gonna call you KingMoron.

Ok IdiotRules,

Is peace built from Hate good?

Is peace controlled by 1 man good?

Is peace where you have no say good?

Tobirama already stated he didn't hate the Uchiha. And also, do you see me talking about Tobirama here? no. So why you bringing him in?

As I said before, if you like living as a slave good for you, but know slavery is considered immoral.

 

[Bronze]

Wait what? I never connected Orochimaru to MS.. lol.

I said he has done far worst things then a EMS Sasuke, who according to Tobirama's logic is suppose to be prime of hate.



Ok IdiotRules,

Is peace built from Hate good?

Is peace controlled by 1 man good?

Is peace where you have no say good?

Tobirama already stated he didn't hate the Uchiha. And also, do you see me talking about Tobirama here? no. So why you bringing him in?

As I said before, if you like living as a slave good for you, but know slavery is considered immoral.

Lol IdiotRules it should be more like idiotHashirama

anyway:

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