Jiraya was definitely Itachi's superior

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

>Itachi all day

 

[Bogard]

And once again, you're assuming far too much. Naruto being aware of the fact that the Amaterasu is a one shot MS technique doesn't suddenly mean that Jiraiya has full info on the technique itself. Your thread is fairly accurate over all, but on this you're quite off, which I'm guessing is the reason you didn't include the 'counter' to this technique in the OP.

No like you can see i already gave you counters for it in the thread and you can also read my long version that i posted earlier if you want. I simply forgot it while writing :eww: Concerning Naruto it's simple. Only Jiraya and Naruto saw Amaterasu in part1 before sealing it. During the time skip, Jiraya was training him against Itachi's techniques(genjutsu counter for example), so i think it's safe to assume all the info he got, he got it from Jiraya especially when we know Jiraya studied the technique

 

[AGoodBoy]

Once again, how did Naruto know Amaterasu was a MS technique?

That's irrelevant. He still couldn't dodge it since he had no clue about the execution speed. How's jiraiya dodging it?

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Also, Genjutsu beats jiraiya. He needs to know he's in a reality simulation genjutsu before he breaks it. Itachi Simulates reality to distract you while attacking you in the real world. Jiraiya would most likely have taken a hit before he even realised he was hit by genjutsu. Any claim that Jiraiya would never be hit by genjutsu is beyond ridiculous. For that matter, It was said that Itachi could control multiple enemies at once, therefore I'm not seeing why he can't simply drop jiraiya and his toads into a genjutsu allowing him to essentially combo jiraiya out while they're distracted.

Orochimaru is a far more skilled genjutsu user than jiraiya, and even uses it regularly in a battle. Yet, He got easily subdued and defeated by a genjutsu combo. I'm inclined to believe the same would happen to jiraiya within the first few moments of this battle. All this Circumstancial Scenarios may never pan out for an Intent to Kill Itachi. The simple fact is, if itachi wants to kill you, you'll be put into a genjutsu and killed. If you're not immune to his genjutsu, or can't break it, you'll surely make that death part a fact.

 

[Edo Odin]

No like you can see i already gave you counters for it in the thread and you can also read my long version that i posted earlier if you want. I simply forgot it while writing :eww: Concerning Naruto it's simple. Only Jiraya and Naruto saw Amaterasu in part1 before sealing it. During the time skip, Jiraya was training him against Itachi's techniques(genjutsu counter for example), so i think it's safe to assume all the info he got, he got it from Jiraya especially when we know Jiraya studied the technique

Well yeah, but you still haven't replied to my counter to that. [Post #22]

Yes, he did train him, and Genjutsu was one of the things he trained him in. However, what I'm trying to understand is why you believe he was able to learn about the execution and speed of the technique by simply examining the fire. Naruto was aware of the fact that it was a powerful technique, something that was established when it burned through the toad. He also knew that it was a Mangekyo technique, which he may have learned from Jiraiya, or perhaps even someone else. However, the execution of the technique, it's preparations and it's speed was never mentioned y Jiraiya nor Naruto.

There's also another thing I'd like to mention here, and that is that I feel you're underestimating Itachi's Genjutsu. Jiraiya would most likely be aware of the fact that he'd need to make sure not to make eye contact, [Which he might be able to fight in spite of] but he has, as far as we know, no info on Itachi's Finger Genjutsu, which caught Jiraiya's apprentice despite him not looking into the eyes of Itachi. [

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] One of the most dangerous things about this Jutsu is that it imitates reality perfectly, Naruto wasn't even aware of the fact that he was caught until Itachi himself revealed it to him. After learning of the Genjutsu, Naruto tried to utilize Jiraiya's teachings to break out of it, but alas, it was ineffective. [

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] So I must say that I think it's safe to say that Jiraiya won't be able to break out of this Genjutsu of his own accord, similar to Naruto, he was never a Genjutsu type in the first place, he even admitted that himself. Him managing to break that woman out of a Genjutsu means nothing, by that logic Chiyo and Sakura would also be immune to it, seeing as they broke him out effortlessly. [

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In the end, I doubt the Amaterasu is even needed, Jiraiya's Genjutsu abilities just haven't been shown to be great enough to handle Itachi. Yes, he may manage to fight while refraining from making eye contact, but even so, he has no info on the Finger Genjutsu, which would be his downfall in the end.

 

[Dantee]

Itachi soloes with Kanabari no jutsu.

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[Nous]

I am, disappointed. It's a shame I used to respect you, Mr. Bogard - and despite you being a Minato-fan which is a mortal enemy of an Itachi-fan, you dare put the Uchiha on such a low level? It truly saddens me, it really does.

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which would be the only case scenario that the Toad-Sennin would be able to defeat Itachi. Yes, Jiraiya shall avoid Itachi's visual prowess by simply not looking at his eyes but how effectively can Jiraiya fight while not looking into Itachi's eyes? Not very. Asuma stated that

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- Asuma is the son of the Sandaime Hokage, was in the Twelve Guardian and why else would Masashi have him say it had it been false?

Also, how about Ephemeral? Naruto trained under Jiraiya

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until much later on [

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. Once Jiraiya is in the genjutsu, he can't summon his toad buddies so Itachi could defeat him in that situation.

Keep in mind, the genjutsu that Itachi cast upon Naruto was when Itachi wasn't even in his full-form and Itachi was also sick during this time. You have absolutely no evidence that Jiraiya is superior to Naruto in genjutsu-breaking.. Yes Jiraiya is his teacher, but does that mean Naruto is inferior to Jiraiya right now? How about Jiraiya and Minato? Jiraiya and Nagato? It simply doesn't work like that.

Also, Amaterasu?

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so he won't be prepared for such a technique. Itachi can also cast Amaterasu on a very high-level [

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]. Itachi used Amaterasu after genjutsu failed - if somehow Jiraiya can bypass Itachi's genjutsu which he can't, Itachi will defeat him with Amaterasu.

Don't say Jiraiya will pull out his seal and seal it away or whatever - you can't do it fast enough to counter Amaterasu.

Also, Itachi was referring to Kurama not Jiraiya [

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[KingHashirama]

Tsunade/ Jiraiya > Itachi.

 

[foxyladyland]

Jiraiya could beat Itachi, but Itachi still beats Jiraiya . :itachi:
if they start the battle with no jutsu already activated , Itachi murders Jiraiya.
:itachi:

Tsukuyomi only takes 1 second
Amateratsu still burns and is still faster than Jiraiya and giant Toads
Susano'o still a more powerful defense than what Jiraiya has.. toad's shields are good I guess.
he doesn't even have to summon Full Susano'o , he can just summon the arms to fight .

nice points though ^/_\^

 

[Transcendence]

I don't see how Itachi wins. Regardless, I don't believe any of Jiraiya's attacks can penetrate Itachi's Final Susano'o, nor break the Yata Mirror. From there it is a battle of attrition from which Itachi is more skilled in more fields. He's faster, has better Taijutsu, Genjutsu, and while he lacks in Ninjutsu compared to Jiraiya, the Mangekyou specialty; Amaterasu, is still very deadly and something Jiraiya never really combated with a blood lusted Itachi.

 

[Ababeel]

you did not have to make a thread for that, it's already canon. Itachi himself knows that he's the weaker one between them.

 

[Transcendence]

Tsunade/ Jiraiya > Itachi.

Tsunade literally has no counter for Tsukuyomi at all. And this isn't a case of fan boyism or anything... She's slow and has no knowledge of Itachi's proficiency with it.

Jiraiya is debatable, but Itachi is clear cut given the responses on this thread.

 

[Trollasaur]

The fire will have spread all over the hair in mere seconds, at which point Jiraiya will have to deal with the fire by removing his hair somehow, which would in turn make him vulnerable.

You're assuming he'll get in Sage Mode, which I must say is a far-fetched assumption. In any case, evading the needles or counter attacking with a Fire Ball would not be hard at all, at which point Itachi could attack with the Amaterasu once again. A couple of needles are not going to protect him from the flames.

Yeah, no. A man on fire won't be able to casually pull out a scroll, make seals and remove the fire. Not to mention that Itachi will be standing just feats away, and I assure you, he's not going to let Jiraiya just quell the flames like that.

You also, for some reason, seem to assume that Jiraiya knows everything about the execution of the Amaterasu. He's seen the flames before, but when it comes to it's speed and execution, he's not knowledgeable at all as far as we know.

Seems legit.......

 

[Trollasaur]

lol people taking Naruto too seriously U_U

 

[Xlad]

One of the main things Itachi has is that he is able to outsmart almost every opponent he faced without letting them even know what's going on. He can actually used genjutsu in quite a long distance from Intel' statements in the War Arc. Sorry, but Itachi really wouldn't attack Jiraiya head on and instead devised strategies that leaves Jiraiya open. Really don't see him winning this one.

 

[NewKageism]

Jiraiya has never directly observed amaterasu being used, he has minimal info on how it is cast, if it is instantaneous, and where the jutsu originates from when cast. Jiraiya will most likely expect a genjutsu if he can sense the chakra buildup in the eye without sage mode.

Jman can sense build ups. He knows about Itachi and his clan because they are from the same village. Jman is older than Itachi and probable knows Itachi killed his own clan. I mean to think jman would not know about the village would be crazy because he was suppose to be a Hokage (him or one of the third students)
Anyways 17:37 he would know Itachi fights with eyes even if he ran to see what happened.
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1827 he taken notes and now he knows. Jman is not dumb by the least

 

[Ababeel]

Tsunade literally has no counter for Tsukuyomi at all. And this isn't a case of fan boyism or anything... She's slow and has no knowledge of Itachi's proficiency with it.

Jiraiya is debatable, but Itachi is clear cut given the responses on this thread.

She healed Kakashi & Sasuke from its effect with no difficult whatsoever with BASIC medical ninjutsu.

 

[Edo Odin]

Seems legit.......

>_>..

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[Transcendence]

She healed Kakashi & Sasuke from its effect with no difficult whatsoever with BASIC medical ninjutsu.

Her healing ANOTHER PERSON, has no effect on a battle seeing as the theoretical scenario is between her and Itachi. She can do it for others, but when Itachi uses it on her? She won't know. And by then she will be bisected quite easily before she can trigger Byakugou.

 

[Owarij]

hahahahahaha

Oh bogard

 

[Tera Path]

I'm a HUGE Jiraiya fan, but you overdid this a little.
(I'm also an Itachi fan)
Itachi also excels in Katon techiniques, but we haven't seen much of his arsenal at all.
Itachi's Sharingan will make him superior in most categories, taijutsu will be useless against him,
If he was able to keep up with KCM naruto and Bee in a taijutsu fight i dont see how Jiraiya would win in that categorie.
Mostly Huge scaled techniques would be able to hit him, which Jiraiya is capable of.
Now.............. genjutsu, itachi obviously excels, but what if he used genjutsu on the taods first?
Nothing is holding him back from getting the toads first and then Jiraiya.
Now the summonings are a bit tricky, itachi's only seen summons are his crows which are often used for hiding.
That will make Jiraiya another step over Itachi.
Amaterasu will be difficult to deal with though..........
Even though Jiraiya can seal away the Amaterasu, it wont be easy.

Id say Jiraiya takes this High-diff due to chakra reserves.