Preta path is still useful against BSM Naruto

[arv993]

It needs alot of prep time and Nagato can sense it happening and stop the toads before they can use it just like deva path already did. Also that is not Narutos genjutsu its mas and pas.....sorry try again

first of all they can fuse with naruto it was kuruma stopping them and it should be clear that they won't so they would be attached to naruto. and two naruto is a better sensor especially now since he can sense danger extremely fast with SM, sense negative emotions in BM and is really fast due to BM

 

[naruttebayo]

its not really a plot hole it just has to be absorbed directly from the body to turn to stone.
And Nagato isnt losing to frog kata get real

naah it's probably the amount of senjutsu chakra which make the difference.

naruto gathers more senjutsu than ziraiya in his whole body. the amount of senjutsu chakra they use in their jutsu was even lower.

bsm naruto contain lot more senjutsu chakra.

and care to elaborate why nagato not loosing to frog kata?. :|

 

[Retsu]

first of all they can fuse with naruto it was kuruma stopping them and it should be clear that they won't so they would be attached to naruto. and two naruto is a better sensor especially now since he can sense danger extremely fast with SM, sense negative emotions in BM and is really fast due to BM

this is not a vs thread, it's just proof that none of narutos random sm enhanced attacks would turn a preta path user into a frog

 

[Jukain]

funny thing is I'm literally not trying, and none of these guys have refuted anything from my main post. every argument they bring to the table I have already answered.

I hate when people do that honestly, you explain everything then they say the exact thing you already refuted. its like it goes in one ear and out the other and you make a face like

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[Aya San]

when this post makes any sense ill respond

Nagato can't push full power BM, if he tries to absorb it SM Nauto kills. It would look like this:

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[arv993]

yeah but frog kata will not kill Nagato, Nagato has asura and shinra tensei which easily deals with that

what are u on dude this is naruto's power in sm without BM

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nagato is a frail man you are seriously saying him getting a major hit especially with a faster naruto due to Bm won'tget him near death. shinra tensei has limits remember and might i add naruto can overcome time limits using BM speed. and two kuruma can also be used as defense as he can deflect five mountain busting tbbs

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[Retsu]

I hate when people do that honestly, you explain everything then they say the exact thing you already refuted. its like it goes in one ear and out the other and you make a face like

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honestly that's the only reason I'm still in this thread, I wish more ppl went thru all post before trying to contribute to a thread, but sadly this is not the case.

 

[Avinash012]

You lack reading comprehension if that's all you got from my post

U didn't proved a thing in u r post ....See this..

it's not plot, only the unconverted senjutsu can turn a user into a frog

That bold alone is enough to prove u wrong

High amount of Senjutsu chakra and no proper control over senjutsu converts u into frog.........

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when this post makes any sense ill respond


your points is exactly?

More amount of Senjutsu chakra = Frog as long as u have no control over Senjutsu

 

[arv993]

this is not a vs thread, it's just proof that none of narutos random sm enhanced attacks would turn a preta path user into a frog

i was responding to OP's statement

 

[naruttebayo]

this is not a vs thread, it's just proof that none of narutos random sm enhanced attacks would turn a preta path user into a frog

how can u be so sure

what if the frog transformation has more to do with amount of senjutsu chakra.

when u look at their fight -- the amount of sage chakra explains things more acurately. cuz what naruto did their was overflowed him with senjutsu to turn him into frog. it's not just the body touch, cuz when preta drained naruto 1st he didn't turn into frog right away. naruto's eye changed twice which means he overflowed preta with senjutsu chakra.

see the amount of senjutsu chakra i'm talking about is more logical, than ur body contact thingy.

BSM contains lot more sm chakra. preta is doomed.

 

[Jukain]

first of all they can fuse with naruto it was kuruma stopping them and it should be clear that they won't so they would be attached to naruto. and two naruto is a better sensor especially now since he can sense danger extremely fast with SM, sense negative emotions in BM and is really fast due to BM

where or not naruto is a better sensor or not is irrevlante and ma and pa fusing wont stop a shinra tensei from stopping there concentration for the genjutsu. Anyways im talking about preta path. Not naurto vs Nagato

naah it's probably the amount of senjutsu chakra which make the difference.

naruto gathers more senjutsu than ziraiya in his whole body. the amount of senjutsu chakra they use in their jutsu was even lower.

bsm naruto contain lot more senjutsu chakra.

and care to elaborate why nagato not loosing to frog kata?. :|

No cause Jman used high level chakara jutsu and it did nothing and pein also absorbed jutsu from SM naruto and rasean shiruken is huge! but it did nothing. It takes half of the sage mode away from using one RS, that being said it would have to use half the sage chakra Naurto has, but yet even after this Pein had no effects from the jutsu.

However when absorbing raw senjutsu chakra directly from narutos preta path turned into a frog within seconds. This proves it has to be absorbed from the body.

Also Nagato has shinra tensei and asura path to deal with frog kata. He wont be done in by frog kata alone.

 

[O n y x]

Hm... I call rematch.

 

[Retsu]

U didn't proved a thing in u r post ....See this..



That bold alone is enough to prove u wrong

High amount of Senjutsu chakra and no proper control over senjutsu converts u into frog.........

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More amount of Senjutsu chakra = Frog as long as u have no control over Senjutsu

it's not plot, only the unconverted senjutsu can turn a user into a frog, when pain grabbed sm naruto he absorbed all the remaining senjutsu from his body and didn't turn, it was only when naruto sat still and began absorbing the raw senjutsu that preta path began turning into a frog.

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Notice hear that even though all his senjutsu is gone, preta is not a frog yet

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Right here is where naruto begins absorbing raw nature energy, before it has a chance to mix with his chakra.

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Notice here that preta path is a frog and naruto isn't even in sage mode, it's because only the raw unconverted energy turns you, otherwise naruto could have turned Minato into a frog when he added senjutsu to his rasengan

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I hope someone actually takes time to read this

see this exact post on why you're wrong

 

[arv993]

where or not naruto is a better sensor or not is irrevlante and ma and pa fusing wont stop a shinra tensei from stopping there concentration for the genjutsu. Anyways im talking about preta path. Not naurto vs Nagato


No cause Jman used high level chakara jutsu and it did nothing and pein also absorbed jutsu from SM naruto and rasean shiruken is huge! but it did nothing. It takes half of the sage mode away from using one RS, that being said it would have to use half the sage chakra Naurto has, but yet even after this Pein had no effects from the jutsu.

However when absorbing raw senjutsu chakra directly from narutos preta path turned into a frog within seconds. This proves it has to be absorbed from the body.

Also Nagato has shinra tensei and asura path to deal with frog kata. He wont be done in by frog kata alone.

wrong again i already showed u scans of naruto's defense against shinra tensei and that is kuruma which is also part of naruto nothig to do with ma and pa. and i am just responding to your thread saying that sm taijutsu and genjutsu attacks work effectively against preta path and counters them. nagato vs naruto is irrelevant yes but i was just responding to your post on that one

 

[Aya San]

Anyway definitely plot hole, Kishi didn't think SM makes the technique of the user "sage chakra" as well. Up until now he thinks of it I guess, before it was just SM gives you more chakra

 

[Jukain]

honestly that's the only reason I'm still in this thread, I wish more ppl went thru all post before trying to contribute to a thread, but sadly this is not the case.

yeah its no working no one listens to reason.

U didn't proved a thing in u r post ....See this..



That bold alone is enough to prove u wrong

High amount of Senjutsu chakra and no proper control over senjutsu converts u into frog.........

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More amount of Senjutsu chakra = Frog as long as u have no control over Senjutsu

Listen bro when naruto is in sage mode his limit is 2 RS cause each takes about half the senjtsu chakra Naruto has. Preta was able to absorb all of Jmans jutsu and Narutos RS(which has a shit load of senjutsu chakara) and did not turn to stone. However once he made contact with naruto and began absorbing the chakara he turned into stone within seconds.

 

[Avinash012]

see this exact post on why you're wrong

Can't u see that I have provided a scan /Image which proves u r post wrong ...?


Care to explain y Jman, a senjutsu user became Frog.....

yeah its no working no one listens to reason.


Listen bro when naruto is in sage mode his limit is 2 RS cause each takes about half the senjtsu chakra Naruto has. Preta was able to absorb all of Jmans jutsu and Narutos RS(which has a shit load of senjutsu chakara) and did not turn to stone. However once he made contact with naruto and began absorbing the chakara he turned into stone within seconds.

Bro , U didn't get a single thing from that scan ......

Pain absorbed all of Naruto's senjutsu chakra ...and u can clearly see Naruto running out of Senjutsu chakra ...after that Naruto came up with a plan and absorbed senjutsu chakra without limiting the flow of chakra bocz there is no need to limit that chakra since his ultimate goal to took down pain with senjutsu chakra .....
but when Naruto gathers senjutsu chakra he need to limit the inflow of chakra since it turns him into frog ...Jman can't do that properly that's y he turned into a half frog ....

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Plz try to debate without bashng other .....

 

[naruttebayo]

No cause Jman used high level chakara jutsu and it did nothing and pein also absorbed jutsu from SM naruto and rasean shiruken is huge! but it did nothing. It takes half of the sage mode away from using one RS, that being said it would have to use half the sage chakra Naurto has, but yet even after this Pein had no effects from the jutsu.

However when absorbing raw senjutsu chakra directly from narutos preta path turned into a frog within seconds. This proves it has to be absorbed from the body.

Also Nagato has shinra tensei and asura path to deal with frog kata. He wont be done in by frog kata alone.

1. naruto was said to gather more sage chakra.
2. the amount of chakra u contain in ur body >>>>> the amount of chakra u use on ninjutsu
3. preta drained naruto once it's more likely he overflowed the senjutsu chakra on preta to turn him into frog.
4. BSM contains a lot more sm chakra than normal naruto.

the proof u give raw senjutsu chakra directly from narutos preta path turned into a frog within seconds is not solid proof.

my amount of chakra explanation is more correct

cuz frog transformation starts when senjutsu chakra takes you over.

it's clearly stated as

If the user draws in too much natural energy, they run the risk of transforming into a toad, then into stone. If the petrification is completed, it cannot be reversed.

in wiki .... i'll give u manga reference too (searching for it) found it

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amount of sage chakra is the key to transformation

if the senjutsu chakra can overwhelm ur own yin and yang ... u'll turn into frog

the reason why naruto didn't turn into frog(like ziraiya) is because he is a chakra beast (not like kisame or raikage though lol but yeah..), and also more precise chakra control is a key.

 

[YellowFang]

I agree that Preta absorbs all his ninjutsu attacks...
But it doesn't conclude that Naruto doesn't stand a chance against Rinnegan users, he still has a lot to defeat them...