Let's be realistic here.. How would rinnegan help sasuke against Naruto? #im turnt up

[Awkward Linguist]

So your saying preta path will comfortably absorb multiple bijuu damas and naruto will just stand their :|. Preta path took it's sweet time absorbing FRS.

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same goes for when edo nagato used preta

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yet you think sasuke will be capable of absorbing multiple bijuu dama's with preta path lol. TBB obliterates chibaku tensei. preta path isnt that fast to absorb all incoming continuous bijuu damas. slap yourself.

And here's where we introduce Shadow clones. slap yourself repeatedly.
You're correct. O_<

 

[Gerkak]

No.

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. If he could've beat madara he would have. Shinshuu is his strongest tech but it

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, let alone EDO - especially when it

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. Hashi has nothing to take out EDO madara right now, he'd more than likely kill SA with Shinshuu before ever incapacitating Mads. Believe it or not, but EDO hashirama is camping his second strongest tech right now. It's highly unlikely he can ever get past MAdara considering he was near death the last time they fought...

Are you saying hashirama is scared of madara?
I agree he couldn't kill madara with the buddha. But that was PS+kyuubi. Are you saying kyuubi didn't improve PS? It obviously did which is why much of the buddha was destroyed. Though PS could have damaged the the buddha, it would have not been to that level.

On the contrary madara is the one that has nothing to defeat hashirama. Since his strongest technique has been equaled by wood god.

If madara dosen't want to kill the SA that means he is holding back as well. Just like madara.

he was extremely exhausted and weak against madara last time not near death.

 

[naruttebayo]

do you think naruto will fight with killer intent

dat will help. XD

 

[Prince Charles]

@ Prince Charles: It will obviously breach as the absorption takes place within the barrier [

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] it is the same thing taking place in your scan. 'Senjutsu' isn't the pure Shizen Enerugi responsible for petrification but rather a blend of the individuals Yoton and Inton with the said energy, thus, strengthening their ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. This is why Gakido was able to able to absorb Jiraiya's Goemon and SM Naruto's Rasen-Shuriken without turning toad. I am aware of the advantages of Sennin Modo...My Issue is: Sage mode doesn't make Naruto any 'faster'----was simply establishing the fact that Sasuke should be able to anticipate his movements.
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Nope, with careful observation you would have realized that Sasuke saw Ay before he actually landed the attack. Naruto has utilized Shunshin in the air against both Kisame and Ay so the latter part of your post is really speculation. ​

My post isnt really speculation considering we clearly see Madara more than enough time to pull up his fan but i guess it's left up to you to view the scan how you want to. What? We must be reading different mangas but it clearly appears to me that sasuke had trouble with Ay's v2 hence why he put up amaterasu. Karins own mouth supports this.

Sage mode doesn't make Naruto any 'faster'----was simply establishing the fact that Sasuke should be able to anticipate his movements.

Lol at bold. And im establishing why he cannot. Regarding your senjutsu argument we both have mixed thoughts on it so i see no reason to continue on that matter. As I said naruto can simply pour more senjutsu chakra into his attacks which means sasuke will be absorbing more senjutsu chakra along with the attack itself. I know it is blend but the senjutsu is still there

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Are you saying hashirama is scared of madara?
I agree he couldn't kill madara with the buddha. But that was PS+kyuubi. Are you saying kyuubi didn't improve PS? It obviously did which is why much of the buddha was destroyed. Though PS could have damaged the the buddha, it would have not been to that level.

On the contrary madara is the one that has nothing to defeat hashirama. Since his strongest technique has been equaled by wood god.

If madara dosen't want to kill the SA that means he is holding back as well. Just like madara.

he was extremely exhausted and weak against madara last time not near death.

Care to prove Madara used PS in his fight with Hashirama before he died?

 

[Gerkak]

Care to prove Madara used PS in his fight with Hashirama before he died?

I can't. He must have otherwise hashirama would have still had the buddha statue when he defeated madara. But he didn't. Which suggests that madara must have used PS to fight what was left of the buddha.

 

[Waltz]

Basically, You're saying Naruto was holding back in terms of speed against Madara? Elaborate with logical reasoning xd

As regards Ay...

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Karin is an external factor to the actual battle, a by-stander. Her statements are only suppositions...If I may, what does she know of the inner workings of the Sharingan?

Similarly, Konan stating that Nagato's death was only caused by using Rinne Tensei on low chakra pools...when in actuality the user dies regardless.

Senjutsu...is a compound used to fuel jutsu, not pure Narutral energy.
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[Prince Charles]

Basically, You're saying Naruto was holding back in terms of speed against Madara? Elaborate with logical reasoning xd

As regards Ay...

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Karin is an external factor to the actual battle, a by-stander. Her statements are only suppositions...If I may, what does she know of the inner workings of the Sharingan?

Senjutsu...is a compound used to fuel jutsu, not pure Narutral energy.
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Never claimed he was holding back his speed but rather due to the method via flight it gave madara the opportunity to hold up his fan. Even so you can't compare the sharigan prog skills to every uchiha as each mastery is different with each sharigan possessor. Lol? I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

Regarding sasuke and Ay I personally think your confusing the movements of his eyes U_U.

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This is the scan of sasuke before he put up amaterasu. We clearly see Ay vanish out of his sight but look at the way sasuke turned his head.

It's facing the same direction in this scan

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Now it's regarding his eye in the scan above one can argue that he indeed saw Ay's movements but then again I can argue that His sharigan eye that is visible to us in that scan is still facing frontward which is why he put up amaterasu concluding he same a battle analysis in regards as to where Ay will appear. The boxed panel you showed of sasuke eye looked more to the side then it does as to when Ay first appeared behind him which can conclude that sasuke turned his eye to the back of him indicating he was indeed right in regards to where Ay appeared which signaled to him he made the right choice in bringing up amaterasu U_U. Even if he did managed to keep up with his v2 momentarily doesnt mean he wasnt struggling in the fight none the less. Adding Bm's speed which was capable of deflecting the direction of 6 TBB's and sage mode equals sasuke getting outclassed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Are you saying hashirama is scared of madara?
I agree he couldn't kill madara with the buddha. But that was PS+kyuubi. Are you saying kyuubi didn't improve PS? It obviously did which is why much of the buddha was destroyed. Though PS could have damaged the the buddha, it would have not been to that level.

On the contrary madara is the one that has nothing to defeat hashirama. Since his strongest technique has been equaled by wood god.

If madara dosen't want to kill the SA that means he is holding back as well. Just like madara.

he was extremely exhausted and weak against madara last time not near death.

Wait wtf? How'd you jump to bold? :heh: I was just stating that hashirama wants to help NAruto's team instead of Fight madara but he can't do a thing about it right now.
-Yes kyuubi helped, but what Madara gave up in kyuubi he gained In rinnegan and mokuton, plus potentially more.

-This is pure speculation TBH. Like i've said in a number of threads before, madara's actually hiding his abilities from hashirama. He's only using what hashirama knows right now -- Perfect Susano'o -- He's yet to disclose his new found powers with hashirama. Hashirama simply has no idea that he's a part of Madara right now, therefore has no idea about Rinnegan, Rinnegan techniques, or Mokuton. In fact, Tobirama compared hashirama to naruto in respect to stupidity/forgetfulness, therefore it wouldn't be a stress to assume that hashirama simply thinks madara Rinnegan is actually his EMS. As far as hashirama knows he 'killed' Madara at VOTE, way before his death. The last time he saw madara's rinnegan was months or years prior, leading to the idea that he's simply forgotten what Madara's EMS looks like and simply assumes the Rinnegan is madara's EMS. This is more likely when we take into consideration the fact that madara's using his EMS moves right now and nothing else. Also, Madara is an Edo, which adds even more onto the idea that hashirama assumes he killed Madara years ago. All I'm saying is that madara could simply possess something that hashirama simply can't compete with. Absence of Evidence isn't evidence of absense, MAdara is far superior to his VOTE days.

-Lol. Madara doesn't give two shits about SA. Don't get it twisted man, he could care less whether they live or die [

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is - Some people have theorized it's hashirama's SM, Izanami, absorbing Hashirama, etc. Until we see it, we don't know.

-He not only had a

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, but he would have lost if not for the

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. Madara was infact in better condition at that point that hashirama... Who's to even say that even wanted to kill hashirama considering he loved sparring with him so much... Hashirama simply had to take the initiative and put an end to their constant battles.

 

[Waltz]

Then you are in agreement that the Eien no Mangekyou is capable of anticipating Naruto's speed as...shunshin is shunshin xd

Pertaining to your scan and 'head angles', you do realize that Sasuke is facing Ay and that they are not standing side by side? As for your link, no need for long explanations there is only Sasuke peering at a Raikage approaching him from behind to which you agree. I've already touched on BM in earlier posts... I'll denote 'Sasuke struggling in the fight' as discontinuance as it has nothing to do with the actual argument.

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[zinescience]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good point

OT: That makes a very good point. Sasuke needs to unlock something pass the Rinnegan...

like the eye of the juubi.

 

[Prince Charles]

Then you are in agreement that the Eien no Mangekyou is capable of anticipating Naruto's speed as...shunshin is shunshin xd

Pertaining to your scan and 'head angles', you do realize that Sasuke is facing Ay and that they are not standing side by side? As for your link, no need for long explanations ther is only Sasuke peering at a Raikage approaching him from behind to which you agree. I've already touched on BM in earlier posts... I'll denote 'Sasuke struggling in the fight' as discontinuance as it has nothing to do with the actual argument.

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Shunshin is shunshin. But their is faster shunshin . Meh You can have your view of the scans regarding ay and sasuke none the less im still the turnt up king.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I like the mushi shi sig that was a great show.

In the end the show is called Naruto, it's cool to have your favorite characters and what not but if it came down to a final fight with Sasuke and Naruto, Naruto would clearly win. Not only because he's stronger but because the star always gets top billing.

 

[Kaede]

Waltz solo'd this thread. :heh:​

 

[Prince Charles]

Waltz solo'd this thread. :heh:​

cant tell if serious...? :dunno:

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[Kaede]

cant tell if serious...? :dunno:

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Just make that Hidan or Sasori VS thread, Little Woodie. *_*​

 

[Multiply]

Waltz arguing shunshin = shunshin. Seems legit

 

[Transcendence]

It wouldn't. The only weakness that Naruto had was Preta (and he could still work around that), but that has been solved because of BSM. Sasuke will need dual defense and attacking techniques. And as an Uchiha he is bound to get a "hax" technique. He'll definitely get Perfect Susano'o which will put him near Hashirama and above EMS Madara (because of Enton manipulation) and he'll probably be getting a new EMS technique (which I hypothesize to be Time Manipulation on a realistic scale). Naruto will get one final power-up (Possibly Rinnegan or anything Rikudou related). It will end up like this:

Rikudou Naruto Full potential (BSM, Rinnegan, Yin-Yang Release etc.) > Uchiha Sasuke Full Potential (Perfect Susano'o, Time Manipulation, New Enton Abilities, Chidori Variants etc.) > Hashirama Full potential (Sage Mode, Shinsenjuu, Wood Good etc.) > Madara Full Potential-Alive (Perfect Susano'o, Master Katon, Master Kenjutsu etc.).

 

[Blaze Release]

Personally i am fed up of the rinnegan. I do howeve believe Sasuke will either get it or he would get the older brother's eyes.

To answer you question, would rinnegan help Sasuke?.
It depends. Its how much nature energy he absorbs. As waltz pointed out Gakidō has absorbed senjutsu based techniques.
But what he forget is that when Gakidō absorbed those attacks they were elementary based attacks which was boosted by senjutsu.

When Gakidō absorbed naruto's chakra which composed of senjutsu did he undergo transformations. If Sasuke was to asborb BSM naruto's chakra he will undergo the same transformation that Gakidō did when he absorbed naruto's chakra which contained senjutsu.

But nope, hold on a second.
Sasuke can still gain the rinnegan and absorb naruto's chakra without him transforming.
Orochimaru and kabuto both wanted sasuke for a reason.
Obito wanted sasuke for a reason and he said he is capable of surpassing nagato. Sasuke is brimming with potential and that has been echoed for some time now.

The reason however i said sasuke can still get the rinnegan and absorb naruto's chakra without fail is that it appears Sasuke will also become a sennin, yes diverting from the body vs eyes parallel but whatever. Reason i say this is because of my first point about orochimaru/Kabuto.

It appears Sasuke's body can withstand senjutsu, but more importantly he has shown great signs and capabilities with the cm2, where he even gained conplete mastery of it as he has shown to be able to manipulates of his body.

The other reason i say sasuke will get senjutsu is because that is one of sasuke's current weaknesses that i feel kishi will rectify. The whole introduction of perfect jin's being resistant to genjutsu wasn't for bee, but rather for naruto as that was his weakness, that weakness has been covered.

One of sasuke's weakness is senjutsu as shinobi's with no experience in them will have a hard time fighting one, especially a shinobi of current naruto. By becoming a sennin, sasuke with the rinnegan can now absorb naruto's chakra without fail as he will not only have experienced it, but he is a fellow sennin therefore he can balance it out and divert the dangers of it.

The second weakness of Sasuke is speed. Naruto's base speed is only surpassed by current Obito. Sasuke had a hard time with EI's v2, which made him the 3rd fastest shinobi on foot. If Sasuke is having a hard time, with Ei he will not fair good agains't naruto. Senjutsu which gain's the opponent the ability to sense combined with the abilities of the sharingan will go some way to counter naruto's speed. However i believe Sasuke way to counter this speed is through Tsukuyomi, insane perhaps.

Currently tsukuyomi mastery belongs to itachi
Amaterasu mastery belongs to sasuke
Susanoo mastery belongs to madara

Sasuke has shown to be fairly adapt with jukkakuin based techniques, but he is also a very good genjutsu user. We have seen two genjutsu in izanami and izanagii where it requires no eye contact but also they are unique dojutsu based genjutsu in their own right.

I hardly play naruto games, but in one of these naruto games, Itachi when he activates tsukuyomi i think he can bring forth and make his illusion a reality (a statement by sasuke). By that i mean Itachi slows down everything within range of him when he uses tsukuyomi. I believe sasuke will get some form of time manipulation through a reality bringing genjutsu like the effects of the tsukuyomi realm but in real life. That should counter naruto's speed, but also allow sasuke to surpass Itachi in this field.

Finally i believe Sasuke will, gain something madara's susanoo. But what will make sasuke's susanoo greater than madara's is that i believe he will gain, not only Itachi's 2 secret weapons, but also awaken the final one either by himself or itachi also had the final weapon, the Yasakani no Magatama to form the trio. The Imperial Regalia, therefore surpassing madara in this field.

 

[Prince Charles]

Nice post blaze.