this BSM isn't as strong as people claim.

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this is coming from a naruto fan so please restrain yourselves from flaming and read the thread,thanks in advance.
In the latest chapter naruto has used BM and SM simultanously in the same way he used it against nagato which means he used his normal chakra to enter SM and at the same time used BM seperately,so in the end he had his normal strength in SM,plus its other perks like chakra sensing,and frog kata plus being in BM perks,i mean naruto in full BM has the same strength as minato's BM(both were thrown equally away at the same time to the same distance).so this new so called mode didn't add anything to naruto's power.
yet that still means naruto still can upgrade that if he manages to mix kurama's chakra with natural energy which will upgrade his abilities in BM like speed,chakra and physical strength,senseing,durability etc...(look at the difference between base naruto and SM naruto)
the current "fake" BSM is uncomparable of what would a real BSM have power-wise and body enhancements.well that if kishi allows it to happen.
 

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Thats why sasuke is on par with time skip goku.
 

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It's his first time entering BSM, it may be a weaker form, but easily surpasses his previous versions. Being able to shatter Juubito's Onmyoudon shows just how strong he's gotten.
 
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im not a big naruto fan, but even i can see that naruto's new techniques are like the "mike tyson" of NV....he can see everything and essential take down everything
 

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we dont see result of sage and bijuu mode.
 

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im not a big naruto fan, but even i can see that naruto's new techniques are like the "mike tyson" of NV....he can see everything and essential take down everything

I agree with this totally, I mean it's obvious the upgrade is meant to make him way stronger.
 

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It's his first time entering BSM, it may be a weaker form, but easily surpasses his previous versions. Being able to shatter Juubito's Onmyoudon shows just how strong he's gotten.

naruto was in full beast mode,i think it had enough physical strength to shatter it with a giant rasengan,plus read part 2 carefully,naruto didn't mix kurama's chakra with natural energy(which will amplify his abilities in BM) he used BM and SM together(means a normal SM abilities+BM abilities).
mixing kurama's chakra with natural energy will make the previous "+" into "X" the difference is quite huge.
 

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I see what you mean,but wont he need a lot of time to gather a huge amount of Nature chakra to mix it with Kuramas?
I guess Ma and Pa might come in handy in the next chapters.
 

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I see what you mean,but wont he need a lot of time to gather a huge amount of Nature chakra to mix it with Kuramas?
I guess Ma and Pa might come in handy in the next chapters.
exactly!now there's sombody who understands me!
and yes it will take a lots and lots of time to enter such a mode since it requires to absorb a huge amount of natural energy equal to the current half of kurama and probably requires kurama's second yin half(balance of yin and yang and natural energy needed to achieve SM).so in the end it's an almost unpractical mode for battle,yet the strength of such a mode will be off the charts.
 
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I agree somewhat... Yes, Naruto hasn't shown any feats that would make him stronger than his regular BM form, but we haven't seen it's full capabilities.

I agree that Naruto only mixed natural energy with his own chakra, but it still should've enhanced his power somehow.

Just think of the advantages BSM will give Naruto. He will have all SM abilities (sensing danger, frog kata) + BM abilities.

I think it's a good form...
 

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I agree somewhat... Yes, Naruto hasn't shown any feats that would make him stronger than his regular BM form, but we haven't seen it's full capabilities.

I agree that Naruto only mixed natural energy with his own chakra, but it still should've enhanced his power somehow.

Just think of the advantages BSM will give Naruto. He will have all SM abilities (sensing danger, frog kata) + BM abilities.

I think it's a good form...

Sm just enhances all of naruto's abilities Nin/Gen/Tai and his physical attributes such as strength and speed. All these enhancements stacks on top of Bm's benefits, So not only is Naruto Stronger and faster than regular Bm form, His Ninjutsu/Taijutsu and Genjutsu is also increased.

Plus having natural chakra mixed in with his Bm, Defends him against stuff like preta path, which is one of Bm naruto's major weaknesses.

Simply Adding Sm gives him quite a nice boost.
 
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I see what you mean,but wont he need a lot of time to gather a huge amount of Nature chakra to mix it with Kuramas?
I guess Ma and Pa might come in handy in the next chapters.

Did you read the latest chapter? He said while in BM he can gather Nature chakra much more quickly.
 

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SM adds something to BM that is unprecedented.

Example in this chapter, he added senjutsu to the bijuu dama.
The dama is already on a large scale and one of the strongest techniques in the series, adding senjutsu powers up something that is already strong.

So all his techniques are upgraded, including his clones. Sm clones are fairly durable, but so are km clones. He gains greater durability with clones bsm.

Speed. Bm naruto has the second fastest foot speed after obito. However now i dare say he is comparable to obito's foot speed considering bm naruto's speed is ridiculous. Getting a boost with sm, further adds to his speed.

Naruto's however true power is his unprecedented reaction time he gets.
He is now a sensor like no other. Sm grants sensing and kcm/bm grants negative emotion. He has gained both now.

However as we all know sm sensing is greater than kcm/bm negative emotion and that is why naruto switched modes to fight sandaime raikage.

But kcm/bm speed is greater than sm naruto.

Basically before this, sm naruto had greater awareness than kcm/bm naruto, but lesser foot speed than kcm/bm naruto.

The increase in speed and awareness puts naruto's reaction time right next to current obito's.

Also he has chakra arms. Those arms can extend quite a bit, but also can be formed from any part of his body.
Frog katas using chakra arms becomes unsightly.
 
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Interesting theory. It's plausible, but it didn't come to mind. However, Naruto's BM power definitely has increased. The only way for BM not to be enhanced is, like you said, to use his own chakra for SM. However, you're forgetting this....

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Their chakra is merged when Naruto enters BM. This means that the natural energy gathered enhanced both of their chakras since they're merged. For your theory to be correct, Naruto would have to enter SM before BM, but......

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Naruto entered BM first, meaning the natural energy couldn't have gone exclusively to Naruto since their chakra's one chakra. BM is enhanced. At the very least, BM's ninjutsu's enhanced.

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The presence of Natural energy would enhance the ninjutsu. I still think BM is enhanced by SM.
 

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Interesting theory. It's plausible, but it didn't come to mind. However, Naruto's BM power definitely has increased. The only way for BM not to be enhanced is, like you said, to use his own chakra for SM. However, you're forgetting this....

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Their chakra is merged when Naruto enters BM. This means that the natural energy gathered enhanced both of their chakras since they're merged. For your theory to be correct, Naruto would have to enter SM before BM, but......

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Naruto entered BM first, meaning the natural energy couldn't have gone exclusively to Naruto since their chakra's one chakra. BM is enhanced. At the very least, BM's ninjutsu's enhanced.

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The presence of Natural energy would enhance the ninjutsu. I still think BM is enhanced by SM.
intresting thoughts but look at this scan MS here:
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here kurama says:use sage power while using my power as well,key word is while,he's using both modes,each one seperately,look at this
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in order to enter BM naruto linked his chakra to kurama's,he still can use his own chakra for jutsus,like this clone.
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it was a normal shadow clone not a BM or KM one,he clearly used his own chakra for it.
also the fact that naruto entered this mode fast was disturbing,how can he absorb a huge amount of natural energy to balance all that chakra with so fast?unless it was only his own chakra.
 

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It's his first time entering BSM, it may be a weaker form, but easily surpasses his previous versions. Being able to shatter Juubito's Onmyoudon shows just how strong he's gotten.

He hasn't shattered Onmyoudon? The giant Rasengan backed by Minato and SM was blocked as Obito prepared himself, hence Naruto saying "That black stuff is as tough as nails!" followed by, "He was able to guard against it this time", and then by "We'll just have to destroy the black crap!", meaning they didn't break through. Then of course, he prepared the TBB but it got interrupted.
 
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