Naruto and sasuke's equality

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Hi guys. Today, I'm going to discuss something that is very polemic here on the base. It's about that whole thing about naruto and sasuke being equals.
I want to say that I've seen many people using this to "prove" that sasuke is always ≥ naruto. First, if they were always equal, there would be no > in this. Second, and most important, is that they are not always equal if you analyse both at the same time,and that is what I'm going to explain.

Let's see an exemple. Part 2(shippuden), 2nd arc, when sasuke first appears in part 2. Sasuke was clearly more powerful than naruto(base form) at that momment. He managed to make a small fight with yamato, naruto and say, and he did it pretty easily. Naruto hadn't got any great power up on his own back then(his greatest power was 4 tails v2, a power that he was trying not to use). There was nothing that could make them equalk back then.

Another exemple: Right after the pain arc, before sasuke engaged the battle with the gokage. Obito and zetsu had a meeting with sasuke, in which zetsu states that naruto was probably stronger than sasuke.

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So, at that momment, naruto could be above sasuke.

What I mean is that they are not always equal. There are momments in which one is above the other. Kishi's statament meant that they make progress, they "evolve" together. They are always making progress, one right after the other, so that when they fight, they will be equal or almost equal. However, this doesn't mean that they are equal at any momment.

Please, no fanboyism or illogical posts such as "lol, kishi said it, they're equal" or "sasuke/naruto solos, manga fact". Try to analyse the situation in a smart way. Currently, naruto is probably above sasuke if we take the feats in account, but it's likely that we either haven't seen everything of sasuke's EMS or that he will get a new powerup.
This is it, I hope you liked it, sorry for the long post.
 

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Kishi has a pitiful grasp on mutual development, it seems.

Kishi's "equality" seems to stem from neglecting one character for a long period of time for the other. But you are correct in the fact that they are not always portrayed as equals.
 

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"lol, kishi said it, they're equal" - The 1. Excuse Saské boys started to use ever since Naruto showed a glimpse of improvement that could possibly put him over Saské.
 

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naruto been equals or stronger than sasuke after pain invasion.
 

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The supposed equilibrium between them was deemed a farce the moment Naruto was paralleled to Rikudou.
 

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Kishi has a pitiful grasp on mutual development, it seems.

Kishi's "equality" seems to stem from neglecting one character for a long period of time for the other. But you are correct in the fact that they are not always portrayed as equals.

This was exactly what I was going to write. Kishimoto claims to advance Naruto and Sasuke in parallels. If the spoilers are to be believed, Naruto is now two power-ups ahead of Sasuke. He's fighting an opponent that's immune to ninjutsu though Sasuke is ninjutsu type, and no power-up has been foreshadowed for Sasuke. This is ridiculous.
 

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This was exactly what I was going to write. Kishimoto claims to advance Naruto and Sasuke in parallels. If the spoilers are to be believed, Naruto is now two power-ups ahead of Sasuke. He's fighting an opponent that's immune to ninjutsu though Sasuke is ninjutsu type, and no power-up has been foreshadowed for Sasuke. This is ridiculous.


Err...? NAruto got SM then sasuke got MS
Then Sasuke got EMS and now naruto is on his second powerup. KCM, BM and Complete BM are all technically the same power-up. NAruto's just working on completing that powerup
 

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Kishi has a pitiful grasp on mutual development, it seems.

Kishi's "equality" seems to stem from neglecting one character for a long period of time for the other. But you are correct in the fact that they are not always portrayed as equals.

Agree absolutely.
 

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"lol, kishi said it, they're equal" - The 1. Excuse Saské boys started to use ever since Naruto showed a glimpse of improvement that could possibly put him over Saské.

I hate that excuse, it's like kishi is never able to change his mind. In the same interview kishi said his favourite character was sasuke, yet in a more recent interview he said it was chouji. But nooooo, according to the sausage fanbase kishi can't ever change his mind.
 

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Err...? NAruto got SM then sasuke got MS
Then Sasuke got EMS and now naruto is on his second powerup. KCM, BM and Complete BM are all technically the same power-up. NAruto's just working on completing that powerup

confused. Here's my thoughts
Like you said MS and SM are together.
Sasuke's EMS puts him at KCM level. BM is above EMS, so would this new power-up of Naruto's be.
Kishimoto used to power-up them in parallels but not anymore.
I never considered KCM and BM to be the same
 
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Err...? NAruto got SM then sasuke got MS
Then Sasuke got EMS and now naruto is on his second powerup. KCM, BM and Complete BM are all technically the same power-up. NAruto's just working on completing that powerup

I guess what he meant is that BM already puts naruto above sasuke. So BSM would put them even farther from each other.
 

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I hate that excuse, it's like kishi is never able to change his mind. In the same interview kishi said his favourite character was sasuke, yet in a more recent interview he said it was chouji. But nooooo, according to the sausage fanbase kishi can't ever change his mind.

Actually, Kishi only said Sasuke was his favorite to draw, not his favorite character, but you're absolutely right. Then again, while Kishi can change his mind, when you say something "They will always be equals", you shouldn't change your mind on that because as a writer, you should stick to plot points you set up before. Personally, I don't see why it matters. Sasuke is my favorite character and I hardly care for Naruto, and I'm perfectly fine with Naruto being stronger.
 

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I hate that excuse, it's like kishi is never able to change his mind. In the same interview kishi said his favourite character was sasuke, yet in a more recent interview he said it was chouji. But nooooo, according to the sausage fanbase kishi can't ever change his mind.

Typical Sausage fanboys.

OT: Agreed, they are not equals.
 

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Dude.i support u.
I also tried to convince that naruto and sasuke are and will be equally powerful.bt threads like this dont suit to the fanboysm.
I also posted a thread named "truths about naruto series".i got more opposion instead of support.
So just chill....

By the way looking at ur posts i suggest u to read my threads.its in my signature bro.=D
 
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