What Quran says about universe? The Muslims Holy Book

[Olorin]

ever heard of ancient greece?

is god allpowerful?

 

[GOD2U]

I thought arceus created dialga, palkia, and giratina who created time, space, and antimatter.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

I'm a Buddhist but i don't disrespect any religion for me everyone is human just like i am .

 

[Prime Rib]

quran promotes violence and jihads<

 

[YowYan]

quran promotes violence and jihads<

Your ignorance promotes violence, you mean. It's the dumbass fanatics that promote violence. You can't put the blame on a book.

 

[Olorin]

quran promotes violence and jihads<

maybe you should read it, you don't need to be religious to appreciate such a work as the Quran or the Bible, I did and I am not religious

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

If you really look into it all of the holy books are really saying the same thing. I believe in evolution and the big bang theory but also I have the knowledge to know that is an emanation of god. What makes a debate between these two theories is that church leaders give finite qualities to the infinite and misinterpret doctrines, and scientist(even though this is changing) refuse to look past matter.

But really it's all coming from the same source.

 

[Olorin]

I have the knowledge to know that is an emanation of god.

that is not knowledge, that is belief and belief is not based on science nor is science based on belief, science is based on facts which god isn't

What makes a debate between these two theories is that church leaders give finite qualities to the infinite and misinterpret doctrines, and scientist(even though this is changing) refuse to look past matter.

But really it's all coming from the same source.

sorry dude but just no, you can't compare church leaders to scientists ... just ... no, I respect both, it's true I respect scientists more but I do respect both and they are by definition completely different, one preaches belief that is NOT a fact and the other works with strict facts, calculations, models, theories, observations, ...

it's not from the same source, science isn't based in religion in fact religion really does not like science because science shows that you don't need religion to explain the world around us, religion is however very close to philosophy and what is today physics was back in ancient greece called philosophy

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

what created your GOD then genius ?

 

[Krauq]

Please don't start flame war on this topic.its just the words of God in his book Quran.
EXPANSION
Yet, astonishingly well before telescopes were even invented and well before Hubble published his Law, Prophet Muhammad used to recite a verse of the Quran to his companions that ultimately stated that the universe is expanding.

“And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)

At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word “space” was not known, and people used the word “heaven” to refer to what lies above the Earth. In the above verse, the word “heaven” is referring to space and the known universe. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble’s Law states.

That the Quran mentioned such a fact centuries before the invention of the first telescope, at a time when there was primitive knowledge in science, is considered remarkable. This is more so considering that, like many people in his time, Prophet Muhammad happened to be illiterate and simply could not have been aware of such facts by himself. Could it be that he had truly received divine revelation from the Creator and Originator of the universe?

BIG BANG THEORY



It is mentioned in the Quran:

“He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (Quran 6:101)

“Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (Quran 36:81-82)

The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do inorder to create is to say “Be,” and it is. Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?

The Quran also mentions:

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)

Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.

With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.

1. Actually according to science we are not its "expander", so that is incorrect. The expansion of the universe began 13.8 billion years ago.

2. Verses from a book written by this guy in the Middle East proves that the universe had a beginning? You're a joke.

3. The Big Bang does not explain the origin of the universe, it explains the early evolution of the universe. The only reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe is the zero-energy hypothesis.

4. “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30) Earth and heaven were a joined entity? That doesn't make sense.
Earth = matter and heavens = space
Space is not matter and matter is not space. Space isn't even made up of particles, it's basically the geometry of the universe.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

that is not knowledge, that is belief and belief is not based on science nor is science based on belief, science is based on facts which god isn't



sorry dude but just no, you can't compare church leaders to scientists ... just ... no, I respect both, it's true I respect scientists more but I do respect both and they are by definition completely different, one preaches belief that is NOT a fact and the other works with strict facts, calculations, models, theories, observations, ...

it's not from the same source, science isn't based in religion in fact religion really does not like science because science shows that you don't need religion to explain the world around us, religion is however very close to philosophy and what is today physics was back in ancient greece called philosophy

You obviously didn't read what I put correctly. I'm saying that both is necessary and apart of the same thing. When I say the same source I'm saying it's all an emanation of god the absolute, it's just religion took spiritual knowledge and perverted it for personal gains for profit and control. Science as most people know it only gives us knowledge of the material world around us which is helpful, but there's also a higher science that many philosophers and great scientists know.

I'm not going to start a pointless debate. I'm just responding to the topic from what I know, and this is all I'll say more on it.

 

[ziggyZ]

Actually Aryabhatta was born in 476 AD and died in 550 AD whereas Prophet Muhammad was born in 570 AD.... I'm not trying to start a whose first and who's second argument here.... I respect all religions and believe that every religion is a different and interesting way of looking at humanity.... =D =D

And Jesus's revelation unto this world was 476 years before the birth of Aryabhatta.

 

[Henchman24]

I thought arceus created dialga, palkia, and giratina who created time, space, and antimatter.

They did, but I have already caught them all. They are now in my control.

 

[Hypemaster]

The Qu'ran is full of scientific anwers and astronomical info. Sadly, the muslims fail to interpret and combine most of that knowledge with modern day science and spirituality in general and just focus on the aspect of trying to proof their delusional interpretation of god. The Qu'ran is not unique. Any significant event in it also takes place in other religious scripts and ancient religions like Sun worshippers, pagans, etc.

There goes the generalization again, if anything Muslims have been constantly using Quranic teachings hand in hand with science which is why if you look back in history the amount of contributions Muslim philosophers,astronomers, etc. have done is overwhelming: from mathematics to medicine. If you're referring to the active radical Muslim extremists, they're but less than 1% of the Muslim population and even their actions are questioned in Islam. I don't think it is fair to judge muslims as a whole on account of a extremely small portion of them.

That's like if I said all Christians are bigoted and racist based off of the actions of KKK per se, when the KKK justifies their racism and sometimes forms of terrorism most of the time due to their inaccurate interpretation of biblical scriptures.

If that wasn't who you were referring to, please expand on what you mean (Muslim missionaries?) because it is a pretty vague statement

And that bolded statement is subjective and not necessarily true. As Muslims we focus on our daily prayers, remembrance of God, understanding and reciting the Qur'an, avoiding sinning to the best of our ability, giving charity, fasting and so much more. As for proving our interpretation of God, it is no different than from what other religions do when trying to convert others to their religion. If you want someone to join or if they're curious about the religion you're going to have to convince them. I don't see what's so wrong about that.

 

[ZK]

Your ignorance promotes violence, you mean. It's the dumbass fanatics that promote violence. You can't put the blame on a book.

So and so. I could blame 'the Clansman' for that shitty quote people think Darwin said.

OT: poetic... but nothing more than pretty words. You're looking for a prophetic element that isn't there.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises
The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
Round and round it goes
Ever returning on its course
-King Solomon


Simply put, the earth is round.

 

[YowYan]

There goes the generalization again, if anything Muslims have been constantly using Quranic teachings hand in hand with science which is why if you look back in history the amount of contributions Muslim philosophers,astronomers, etc. have done is overwhelming: from mathematics to medicine. If you're referring to the active radical Muslim extremists, they're but less than 1% of the Muslim population and even their actions are questioned in Islam. I don't think it is fair to judge muslims as a whole on account of a extremely small portion of them.

That's like if I said all Christians are bigoted and racist based off of the actions of KKK per se, when the KKK justifies their racism and sometimes forms of terrorism most of the time due to their inaccurate interpretation of biblical scriptures.

If that wasn't who you were referring to, please expand on what you mean (Muslim missionaries?) because it is a pretty vague statement

And that bolded statement is subjective and not necessarily true. As Muslims we focus on our daily prayers, remembrance of God, understanding and reciting the Qur'an, avoiding sinning to the best of our ability, giving charity, fasting and so much more. As for proving our interpretation of God, it is no different than from what other religions do when trying to convert others to their religion. If you want someone to join or if they're curious about the religion you're going to have to convince them. I don't see what's so wrong about that.

I'm talking about the general populace here, and what I was reffering to was the fact that muslims DO combine science with knowledge from religious scripts, but do all that for the sake of finding a connection that may present proof of their delusional interpretation of god, which keeps them from growing any further, mentally and spiritually. And that is fact.

As all other religions, the Islam (or rather the followers) promote the thought of god being a external phenomena, superior to us needing praise 5x a day. Spirituality promotes the thought of ''God/divine presence in the universe/the source'' being a internal phenomena pointing at consciousness, energy, sound. aka ourselves and any other lifeforms being divine.

 

[Hypemaster]

I'm talking about the general populace here, and what I was reffering to was the fact that muslims DO combine science with knowledge from religious scripts, but do all that for the sake of finding a connection that may present proof of their delusional interpretation of god, which keeps them from growing any further, mentally and spiritually. And that is fact.

As all other religions, the Islam (or rather the followers) promote the thought of god being a external phenomena, superior to us needing praise 5x a day. Spirituality promotes the thought of ''God/divine presence in the universe/the source'' being a internal phenomena pointing at consciousness, energy, sound. aka ourselves and any other lifeforms being divine.

Then what you're saying is nothing but a bold assertion and not a fact but a belief you have. Like I said before it is all subjective, if you want to believe in spirituality go ahead. But that still doesn't justify anything, why would muslims and other religious groups promote spirituality? Either way you are still promoting a certain belief.

 

[ZK]

I'm talking about the general populace here, and what I was reffering to was the fact that muslims DO combine science with knowledge from religious scripts, but do all that for the sake of finding a connection that may present proof of their delusional interpretation of god, which keeps them from growing any further, mentally and spiritually. And that is fact.

As all other religions, the Islam (or rather the followers) promote the thought of god being a external phenomena, superior to us needing praise 5x a day. Spirituality promotes the thought of ''God/divine presence in the universe/the source'' being a internal phenomena pointing at consciousness, energy, sound. aka ourselves and any other lifeforms being divine.

I find it hilarious how you call 'mainstream organized theism' delusional while shamelessly promoting some form of pantheism and making it out to be the ultimate truth.
Of course, you're unable to put any empirical evidence (read; scientific evidence gathered in accordance with the scientific method) on the table... just like the rest of the theists.
I find you generally hilarious with your would-be holier-than-thou you're-all-so-unenlightened attitude.

 

[YowYan]

I find it hilarious how you call 'mainstream organized theism' delusional while shamelessly promoting some form of pantheism and making it out to be the ultimate truth.
Of course, you're unable to put any empirical evidence (read; scientific evidence gathered in accordance with the scientific method) on the table... just like the rest of the theists.
I find you generally hilarious with your would-be holier-than-thou you're-all-so-unenlightened attitude.

Odd.. I don't post with the thought I'm 'holier thanhou' or whatever.
It's just a nuisance to me for having to milk out my posts with gathered evidence as I'd need to look everything up I've studied over the past few years. I'm just not elaborating too much, that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe you're just to eager to deam everything I say as psuedo science due to lack of own research. Only the 'comparing god with sound' part should have rang a bell if you knew anything. I don't present everything clearly, that's true though but geez.. cute flaming reply you had there