jinchurikis can break out of genjutsu

[Howdidthesenjudie]

Jinchurikis can break out genjutsu. It was stated in the manga that Jin's can break out, but what about yagura?

It was stated in the manga that he was a perfect jin, yet he was put in a genjutsu by Obito.

I believe that Yagura was not a perfect jin, he just had control over his bijuu.

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This is the viz scan, it states that Yagura, Bee, Madara, and Hashirama are the only ones who've gained true control over there jin.

Yagura was probably just like Hashirama and Madara, they could establish complete control over the bijuus, but they weren't perfect jins(friendly with the bijuu) or jinchurikis at all.

Yagura wasn't friends with the 3 tails, he only had complete control over his power, similar to KCM Naruto I would say. That's why he could be put in genjutsu. The 3 tails wouldn't break him out.

Conclusion: Yagura wasn't a perfect Jin, and I believe Jinchuriki's are still immune to all genjutsu untill we get more proof.

thoughts?

 

[The Sach]

No, jinchurikis can break out of weak genjutsus, then why it didn't happen in Yagura's case....I think it wasn't because it was powerful genjutsu...

 

[ThePieness]

I don't think he was trapped in a Genjutsu, but rather bound to Obito's will by the rinnegan and the metal bars inside of his chest, it prevented him from moving of his own free will or even have control of his body, and possibly his consciousness, but of course this is all just speculation.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

No, jinchurikis can break out of genjutsu, then why it didn't happen in Yagura's case....I think it wasn't because it was powerful genjutsu...

well how powerfull could it have been, I mean he Obito kept it up for years straight, the most power full genjutsu in the manga last for moments and takes a massive amount of chakra. I don't think that's it.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

i thought it was obvious they were immune i was going to troll but i read

 

[Sherlock.]

No, jinchurikis can break out of genjutsu, then why it didn't happen in Yagura's case....I think it wasn't because it was powerful genjutsu...

Then the bolded part needs to be slightly changed to - jinchurikis can break out of less powerful genjutsu....

I don't think he was trapped in a Genjutsu, but rather bound to Obito's will by the rinnegan and the metal bars inside of his chest, it prevented him from moving of his own free will or even have control of his body, and possibly his consciousness, but of course this is all just speculation.

Obito got Rinnegan just before the war.... -____-

 

[- J AV -]

Jinchurikis can break out genjutsu. It was stated in the manga that Jin's can break out, but what about yagura?

It was stated in the manga that he was a perfect jin, yet he was put in a genjutsu by Obito.

Yagura was not a perfect jin, he just had control over his bijuu.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

This is the viz scan, it states that Yagura, Bee, Madara, and Hashirama are the only ones who've gained true control over there jin.

Yagura was probably just like Hashirama and Madara, they could establish complete control over the bijuus, but they weren't perfect jins(friendly with the bijuu) or jinchurikis at all.

Yagura wasn't friends with the 3 tails, he only had complete control over his power, similar to KCM Naruto I would say. That's why he could be put in genjutsu. The 3 tails wouldn't break him out.

Conclusion: Yagura wasn't a perfect Jin, and I believe Jinchuriki's are still immune to all genjutsu untill we get more proof.

thoughts?

you know this thing really confused me....

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

No, jinchurikis can break out of genjutsu, then why it didn't happen in Yagura's case....I think it wasn't because it was powerful genjutsu...

Doesn't matter, genjutsu is genjutsu now that Itachi is gone there really isn't any stronger genjutsu. They are all about the same level (meaning sasuke, madara, and obito).

 

[Avinash012]

Not powerful Genjutsu it is actually bcoz of Hashirama's chakra and also Obito able tame Kyubi with 3 tom bcoz of Hashirama's chakra.....!
Anything is possible with Hashirama's chakra in NV.....

Obito got Rinnegan just before the war.... -____-

I think he talking about Obito controling Mizukage in War........

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Jins aren't immune to genjutsu.
He was caught in Obito's genjutsu which I would put at the same level as Sasuke's.
Madara doesn't appear to be any better than those two either.

 

[CloakedDeception]

I don't think he was trapped in a Genjutsu, but rather bound to Obito's will by the rinnegan and the metal bars inside of his chest, it prevented him from moving of his own free will or even have control of his body, and possibly his consciousness, but of course this is all just speculation.

I'm pretty sure the OP is talking about pre-death Yagura.
Also, the reason Jinchuriki fare well against genjutsu is because their tailed beast can break them out of it IF the bijuu and jinchuriki are on good terms (like Killer B and Gyuki). So technically, it's not an immunity but more a counter ability. When the jinchuriki and bijuu are NOT on good terms (which is basically every other pair), the bijuu has no motivation to help the jinchuriki out. For example, Naruto was susceptible to all sorts of genjutsu (except maybe until recently) despite being a jinchuriki his entire life.

So, in short, I agree with the OP: While Yagura had complete control over his tailed beast's power, he and the bijuu were not on good enough terms that the 3tails would break him out of the genjutsu Obito used on him. On the other hand, Obito's genjutsu might have been strong enough to control both Yagura AND 3tails...

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Not powerful Genjutsu it is actually bcoz of Hashirama's chakra and also Obito able tame Kyubi with 3 tom bcoz of Hashirama's chakra.....!

Madara did too and he had no Hashi cells, Uchiha are made to tame the beasts as well. Its only natural because they are like the senju. The uchiha don't need dna or anything other than 3 tomoe and well trained genjutsu to tame a tailed beast.

 

[Derek1st]

The reason why a jinchuiriki can break tsukyomi, is because tsunkyomi controls time within the the users mind, but a jinchuriki and his biju can talk outside of time. usually, you can't break someone out of tsukyomi because by the time you do, the damage is done, but in a perfect jins case, they can break it literally the microsecond it takes place. Killer bee was paralyzed by sasukes genjutsu momentarily because they were taken off guard. But if you are aware of the jutsu, you should be fine. I have not made a perfect link with my bijuu, but even i could break a basic 3 tomoe genjutsu

 

[Urda]

Having control over a Bijuu is the same thing as Perfect Jinchuuriki in the concept of Bijuu and Host. Releasing regular Genjutsu than Tsukuyomi are different. A Jinchuuriki follows the same method of Release when it comes to releasing regular Genjutsu and Tsukuyomi is in which to counter-act, the user must wield the three tomoe and have Uchiha blood. It is unknown which method of Genjutsu Obito performed on Yagura.

 

[Neonian]

i think it was too strong

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

you know this thing really confused me....

sorry but I really don't think it could be much clearer, could you ask a specific question maybe?

Jins aren't immune to genjutsu.
He was caught in Obito's genjutsu which I would put at the same level as Sasuke's.
Madara doesn't appear to be any better than those two either.

I'm guessing you didn't read, I believe that Yagura wasn't a perfect jin, or on friendly terms with Gyuki. Thats why Gyuki never broke him out, he still hated yagura.

 

[Avinash012]

Madara did too and he had no Hashi cells, Uchiha are made to tame the beasts as well. Its only natural because they are like the senju. The uchiha don't need dna or anything other than 3 tomoe and well trained genjutsu to tame a tailed beast.

Nah Others Needs to have MS to control Kyubi as stated by Itachi and supported by Sasuke..........

 

[Kαmi]

Yeah that statement by Danzo really confuses me. I'm thinking that his intel was off and that Yagura wasn't a perfect Jinchuuriki as well. Yagura and his Bijuu didn't seem all that friendly either. It's possible it was assumed that Yagura was a perfect Jinchuuriki while he was being controlled by Obito. If Obito has control over Yagura, he could force him to transform at will, leading people to think Yagura was in control, but he had Yagura in control while the Sanbi who wasn't on friendly terms with Yagura, never intervened. That's what I think.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

Having control over a Bijuu is the same thing as Perfect Jinchuuriki in the concept of Bijuu and Host. Releasing regular Genjutsu than Tsukuyomi are different. A Jinchuuriki follows the same method of Release when it comes to releasing regular Genjutsu and Tsukuyomi is in which to counter-act, the user must wield the three tomoe and have Uchiha blood. It is unknown which method of Genjutsu Obito performed on Yagura.

No it's not, a perfect jin is defined as being friends with the biju, or he that the beast will completely cooperate with it's host, just because he had complete control doesn't mean they were friends. I know I'm picking at straws, but that's what it takes.

 

[snipeshot11385]

sorry but I really don't think it could be much clearer, could you ask a specific question maybe?





I'm guessing you didn't read, I believe that Yagura wasn't a perfect jin, or on friendly terms with Gyuki. Thats why Gyuki never broke him out, he still hated yagura.

Gyuki is the 8 tails o.o, you mean Isobu right?