kakashi vs neji

[Gakido]

Kakashi's Taijutsu score in the databook is tied with Neji.

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, who has a higher score in the databook than Neji.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I don't want to know what you want to say so it doesn't matter.Neji is far better at taijutsu than Kakashi take Rotation into account then Kakashi won't stand a chance.

Kakashi has nothing to do with that statement. Neji is not on Gai's level in taijutsu(nor is Kakashi). That was just such a ridiculous statement.

Neji isn't "far better" than Kakashi at taijutsu. If he's better at all, it's by a slight margin, and when you add raikiri and or raiton enhanced weapons, that small advantage Neji might have is nullified.

Neji can rotate all he wants to. Him sitting there wasting chakra isn't going to bother Kakashi. Kakashi's stamina at this point is beyond that of Neji's, he can simply outlast him if need be.

 

[paratise]

Kakashi's Taijutsu score in the databook is tied with Neji.

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, who has a higher score in the databook than Neji.

At that point of time the last taijutsu performance Naruto saw from Lee was in part 1, when he was much younger.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Kakashi has nothing to do with that statement. Neji is not on Gai's level in taijutsu(nor is Kakashi). That was just such a ridiculous statement.

Neji isn't "far better" than Kakashi at taijutsu. If he's better at all, it's by a slight margin, and when you add raikiri and or raiton enhanced weapons, that small advantage Neji might have is nullified.

Neji can rotate all he wants to. Him sitting there wasting chakra isn't going to bother Kakashi. Kakashi's stamina at this point is beyond that of Neji's, he can simply outlast him if need be.

Considering neji trained his whole life in taijutsu, id say he has a significant edge over kakashi anyways, especially with his taijutsu style.

He also has powerful taijutsu techniques that must be accounyed for.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Considering neji trained his whole life in taijutsu, id say he has a significant edge over kakashi anyways, especially with his taijutsu style.

He also has powerful taijutsu techniques that must be accounyed for.

The abilities the byakugan grants him is troublesome in taijutsu, but skill/experience and sharingan precog can help make up the difference. Plus adding in raikiri's speed enhancements makes it pretty troublesome for even some of the best taijutsu users to keep up with Kakashi. Problem in the past of course being Kakashi didn't have the stamina to use raiton to enhance him in fights, but

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Neji having to stay on the defensive because of Kakashi's wide variety of jutsu(and depending on the location, his suiton arsenal would be even better) is going to make it difficult to defeat Kakashi.

It's not some stomp like some want to make it out to be, but Kakashi's CQC skill/sharingan allows him to be able to at least keep up with Neji, and his ninjutsu can put Neji in a huge bind stamina wise.

If it's pre-war arc Kakashi, it becomes winnable for Neji.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi--- FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH 4 EDO JINS IN V2 STATE, TO KEEP UP WITH FAST ENEMIES LIKE ZABUZA AND 2 PAINS AT THE SAME TIME

Nejii--- He was too slow to use rotation on the juubi's toothpicks so he had to die to a fodder stick

Kakashi's speed >> Nejii's (if you state the contrary, you will be in my sig)

Kakashi's taijutsu skills < Nejii's , sure this is true, but kakashi's superior speed makes up for nejii's advantaje in taijutsu

Kakashi's intelligence > Nejii's ... Kakashi would keep with long range atacks while nejii can use rotation a few times but he gets tired a while after and then he starts to spin slower so Kakashi kills him with long range atacks

Kakashi's genjutsu > Neji

Kakashi >>> Nejii (low-med diff without kamui)

 

[fastrthnwind]

The abilities the byakugan grants him is troublesome in taijutsu, but skill/experience and sharingan precog can help make up the difference. Plus adding in raikiri's speed enhancements makes it pretty troublesome for even some of the best taijutsu users to keep up with Kakashi. Problem in the past of course being Kakashi didn't have the stamina to use raiton to enhance him in fights, but

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Neji having to stay on the defensive because of Kakashi's wide variety of jutsu(and depending on the location, his suiton arsenal would be even better) is going to make it difficult to defeat Kakashi.

It's not some stomp like some want to make it out to be, but Kakashi's CQC skill/sharingan allows him to be able to at least keep up with Neji, and his ninjutsu can put Neji in a huge bind stamina wise.

If it's pre-war arc Kakashi, it becomes winnable for Neji.

I dint know where you got that raikiri increases ones speed from. Raikiri requires high speed to be used effectively. Also, kakashi still has relatively low stamina compared to other people in the manga. Even if it has increased, im sure that with Nejis improvement from his own training and such that his stamina would further increase as well.

The main concern for neji is being able to land some decent hits with kakashis speed skill with the sharingan, and taijutsu prowess as he himself is skilled in taijutsu as well. I never really siad that Neji will win it, i just stated that he can win it especially with his arsenal being able to effectively counter kakashis vast arsenal of jutsu. In the end it will likely come down to stamin since both are geniuses in combat and know most of the basic concepts of their abilities and such. I just happen to think that neji would win more times than not mostly because of his awareness of the battlefield since kakashi wont be able to resort to using clever tactics that would catch most other off guard. Also with his insight into the chakra network, he has a rather unique way of predicting what kind of jutsus kakashi willmuse and when he will use them and can then take more effective countermeasures to aviid or disable them in the future.

Also since fighting against a most hyuugas in the long run is disadvantageous becuase with every hit it decreases their overall ability to control chakra and move, putting themselves at greater risk of losing if they dont end the fight quickly.

 

[Draegod]

Kakashi--- FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH 4 EDO JINS IN V2 STATE, TO KEEP UP WITH FAST ENEMIES LIKE ZABUZA AND 2 PAINS AT THE SAME TIME

Nejii--- He was too slow to use rotation on the juubi's toothpicks so he had to die to a fodder stick

Kakashi's speed >> Nejii's (if you state the contrary, you will be in my sig)

Kakashi's taijutsu skills < Nejii's , sure this is true, but kakashi's superior speed makes up for nejii's advantaje in taijutsu

Kakashi's intelligence > Nejii's ... Kakashi would keep with long range atacks while nejii can use rotation a few times but he gets tired a while after and then he starts to spin slower so Kakashi kills him with long range atacks

Kakashi's genjutsu > Neji

Kakashi >>> Nejii (low-med diff without kamui)

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First off it was a focused pinpoint faster use of "Tooth picks" that was heading towards hinata and neji! And as you can see Neji is no where around! But..

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Speed blitz and saved them in time! And FYI he could spin in the air in time to save them, but was fast enough to be no where near them and sacrifice himself!

Ill repeat again since many cannot follow the manga! It was a extremely faster pinpointed attack aimed at naruto, yet Neji was fast enough to save them! If anything it speaks on nejis speed!

Him fighting 2 pans was not a peed feat or "fast enough" feat! He was owned by himself anyway. So thats a fail to bring up (even with the sharingan).

Him getting owned by Zabuza in Taijutsu isnt a feat to bring up either. They didnt use "speed". Zabuza wasnt striking him fast.

The Jinjuriki's getting hit means nothing. They were mindless pawns and they were Edo's. Just like all edos, any basic damage is futile (manga fact). He then later got Knocked Dafuq out after his failed attempt! And again, nothing in that skirmish was a speed feat.

Genjutsu is completely useless.

Overall everything you stated was not backed up by the manga.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: kakashi vs nejin t

It is required to pass. Its not even debateable. The only exceptions were Naruto and Lee.

Yet half if not all the rookie 9 hasn't shown these abilities either. Most of them only know their clan techs(shino, shikamaru, ino, choji, hinata, neji, etc) So chances are they didnt pass based on the merit of things like clone jutsu(choji, shikamaru, naruto, and kiba were dead lasts) but their clan techs. Anyways it doesn't matter. You can only go based off of things that were shown, and for neji. Thats not alot.

Did i say they were as fast as morning peacock? You are putting words into my mouth now, and that is not something you should be doing. It makes you look bad in the end. I said his handspeed is second to guy using morning peacock.

And again the difference between the two is as far as the sky is from the land. Its also untrue in the sense that anyone who knows the tech can move their hands that fast. It still wouldn't matter in the face of kakashi's sharingan considering that he can see each and every jab.

I love how you cleverly left the other part of what i said out.I'm guessing that means you agree with me.

He was only tricked because he turned it off thinking the battle is over. He wont do it against an opponent like Kakashi. I repeat, you cannot trick someone who can see everything.

You must not know the definition of everything. If he cannot tell the difference between the real kakashi and the clones. How will he know which is which? Him not knowing creates a margin of error for him to get tricked.

Kakashi doesnt have stamina nor the endurance that guy or even lee has. If he opens the first gate, he will exhaust himself very quickly. Only experienced gate users like guy and lee can withstand the tiring effects of the gates.

He already used the first gate and showed no signs of being tired after opening it. Locate din the brain all is does is release the restraints the mind sets on the body.

Chakra can protect himself from it. It only works if the body is touching it, not chakra.

Full body blow is based on contact. And if the air palm is point blank chances are contact is being made.

You think restarting a spin is hard? He just speeds hiself up again.

Restarting rotation worked so well on naruto.

The size and power of the rotation can be adjusted at will.

I have never seen neji adjust rotation mid rotation.

Raiden has cut through thicker chakra,

Glad you finally agree with me

but that chakra was not being forced back at itself by another mass amount of chakra that is being rotated at high speeds to force it to the side.

It wont matter since you already admit to it going partially through. The amount of chakra/ resistance raiden is going up against is the same two inches through as it is two feet through. If it can't cut through then it should bounce off/break without even piercing/cutting to begin with.

Rotation is a deflection/reflection jutsu. You cant cut or pierce a jutsu that is meant for deflection.

Because you say so? Sounds like hype and opinion to me.

It is merely extending the range that it is used to cover a certain distance by using a chain between two people instead of one so that instead of concentrating it into one area,

A stab isn't synonymous to a chain of lightening. One is piercing, one is cutting.

where it is most likely not gonna cut someone head off, it is spread out so that it has the ability to cut with the same piercing ability of raikiri.

Bad analogy.moot point.

It would be affected by it since it would only sink in a bit just from the velocity of the attack alone before breaking off since the rotating chakra is fircing it to one side altogether. This isnt a wall jutsu that will just stand there and take it. Rotations spinning puts it above conventional defenses because of its rotation that not only defends, but reflects it as well.

The velocity or driving force behind raiden isn't the cable itself but the users forcibly pulling it through. So it has no reason to lose velocity since the users pulling the chain through won't be held up or stopped by neji.

The chakra between the hands is free and therefore able to break if it meets any sort of force that tries to divide it which is exactly what rotations will do.

It can't break though.. There is no reason why it should.

Dont talk about it like you know what it is. From what you have been saying about it, you know nothing at all about that technique or about the hyuuga techniques in general. Do your research before you claim anything. And yea you can say "show me the feats" all day, yet when it comes down to it, you need to know exactly what it is and why it was hyped to be so strong in the first place.

Opinion and hype much? First step of rasengan: rotate chakra.(not even concentrated)
Secret behind rotation :rotating chakra. Sorry bro but...im on the money.

It was given hype that its was stronger than gaaras sand and just because it was mentioned by tenten doesnt make it any less credible. Also it was stated never to have been broken, and it has yet to be completely defeated at its most powerful.

More hype? U haven't even posted a scan. Or a method as to how neji wins this.

Can you prove that he is the only one who uses shunshin for his chidori?

Minato said he has the speed and strength for chidori not the body flicker. That was over 17 years ago.

From what i have seen and read from the databook and even the manga, every single instance of a person using bursts of high speed movement with the exception of guy and lee are considered to be using shunshin jutsu.

but is wasn't a random burst of high speed...it was base speed. Speeds kakashi maintained when fighting the rock nin.

Now has kakashi used it before without his sharingan and actually succeded in taking down an opponent? Every instance besides that one post shows him with his sharingan activated. Can you rightly justify those other instances?

He was willing and able. Thats all i was trying to prove.


Now this guy

I could care less about your "debate", but Cutting V2 chakra isnt the same as harming V2 jin's directly! The chakra has no solid form underneath (fact), and is not the jinjurikis arms or hands. So him cutting it isnt a feat to brag about when it was just chakra.

Cutting the chakra arms is just as dificult as cutting any other part of its body. No part of a v2 jin is solid underneath. If it was then it wouldn't be able to morph like this

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Unless you think naruto has two heads.

If he would have did damage directly to the jinjurikis base/main body then it would have been a feat to brag about, but not even the Lightning Blade got through the tough skin/body of a V2 form!

It just goes to show that raiden is sharper than raikiri. Instead of a hand covered in lightening its pure lightening.

The fact that you think one point of the jin is weaker than the other part is foolish. Nothing in the backs up those claims.

Learn the difference...

Hop off your horse

And the mechanics behind Rotation is much higher then you expect!

Idk how "mechanics can be higher and lower but i already explained it to the neji fan.

First off; because of the constant spinning notion of the Jutsu,

Rotating chakra(first step/incomplete rasengan) like i said.

no attack simple stays in a straight path once contact is made.

They are supposed to bounce off.. But the neji fan (who is clearly more knowledgeable than you) Already admitted that raiden would slip a couple of inches in

Any and all attacks gets deflected or repelled! It is designed to send any opponents

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at them (including the Juubi). No attack kakashi has is getting past rotation in the slightest!

None of the attacks it defended against has anywhere near the same cutting power of the raiden. The best feats it has is kunai and wood spikes, and when it came in contact with km0 naruto(not even a concentrated force at that)
the user got blasted back his own tech.