Why i believe 4th kazekage>Kisame

[Hafiz Dembos]

that sand had chakra in it,which is probably why it was fast enough to get madara before he could react. Madara cudnt absorb gaara's tech whn he caught him through mei's water dragon jutsu,nor could he absorb the sand when he was being sealed,rather he opted to bust out.

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Read what this guy said.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

that sand had chakra in it,which is probably why it was fast enough to get madara before he could react. Madara cudnt absorb gaara's tech whn he caught him through mei's water dragon jutsu,nor could he absorb the sand when he was being sealed,rather he opted to bust out.

At Forbidden Technique.

Read what this guy said.

When Gaara pulled Madara out of the Susano'o, he didn't have the rinnegan activated [

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] It was when he activated the rinnegan and used Preta Path, that the sand become useless and unable to be manipulated by Gaara.

Madara couldn't absorb the sand because the lightning infused with the water was numbing his body and stopping him from doing so [

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] Which is why he opted in activating his trump card, the PS.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

When Gaara pulled Madara out of the Susano'o, he didn't have the rinnegan activated [

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] It was when he activated the rinnegan and used Preta Path, that the sand become useless and unable to be manipulated by Gaara.

Madara couldn't absorb the sand because the lightning infused with the water was numbing his body and stopping him from doing so [

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] Which is why he opted in activating his trump card, the PS.

No, Madara was absorbing the electrified water and could not absorb the sand, to get reed of the sand he will have to use another jutsu which means he would have to stop absorbing the water and it will electrify and numb his body. That even goes further to explain what madara meant by only physical techs can work on him, gaaras sand is physical and real not chakra made and so is the gold.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

No, Madara was absorbing the electrified water and could not absorb the sand, to get reed of the sand he will have to use another jutsu which means he would have to stop absorbing the water and it will electrify and numb his body. That even goes further to explain what madara meant by only physical techs can work on him, gaaras sand is physical and real not chakra made and so is the gold.

You're right. That explains these two scan perfectly :| [

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I'm not saying Gaaras sand is getting absorbed; but rather the chakra manipulating it is.

Edit: Oh, and @ fourth kazekage, Hello genii96

 

[fourth kazekage]

When Gaara pulled Madara out of the Susano'o, he didn't have the rinnegan activated [

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] It was when he activated the rinnegan and used Preta Path, that the sand become useless and unable to be manipulated by Gaara.

Madara couldn't absorb the sand because the lightning infused with the water was numbing his body and stopping him from doing so [

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] Which is why he opted in activating his trump card, the PS.

the same sand that held him when he had the ems is the same sand that held him when he had the rinnegan,like i said for there to have been preta absorbtion,then chakra was there. Normal sand has no chakra in it which makes it different from his gourd sand.
Of all the kages who do you think posseses actual physical attacks?,A uses raiton armour,mei uses boil,larva and water release,onoki is jinton,tsunade is taijutsu,but she didnt attack in that your scan.
Numbing his body would not stop preta,because u dont need to move to use it,nagato absorbed naruto's rasengan without moving a muscle,also if you were right,then he would not have been able to use susanoo either,since both preta and susanoo are used without any movement of the body,and after he was completely encased in sand,he wasnt being electrified anymore,yet still didnt absorb the sand.
Normal sand has no chakra,it's similar to gated taijutsu,it uses up the owner's chakra,yet possess no chakra inside it,just like hirudora.
Even if you are right about gaara,4th kazekage is much different,he dosent control gold dust,he acts as amagnet and repels or attracts it,he converts his chakra to magnetic forces and attracts the material he wants.there is nothing to absorb.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

the same sand that held him when he had the ems is the same sand that held him when he had the rinnegan,like i said for there to have been preta absorbtion,then chakra was there. Normal sand has no chakra in it which makes it different from his gourd sand.
Of all the kages who do you think posseses actual physical attacks?,A uses raiton armour,mei uses boil,larva and water release,onoki is jinton,tsunade is taijutsu,but she didnt attack in that your scan.
Numbing his body would not stop preta,because u dont need to move to use it,nagato absorbed naruto's rasengan without moving a muscle,also if you were right,then he would not have been able to use susanoo either,since both preta and susanoo are used without any movement of the body,and after he was completely encased in sand,he wasnt being electrified anymore,yet still didnt absorb the sand.
Normal sand has no chakra,it's similar to gated taijutsu,it uses up the owner's chakra,yet possess no chakra inside it,just like hirudora.
Even if you are right about gaara,4th kazekage is much different,he dosent control gold dust,he acts as amagnet and repels or attracts it,he converts his chakra to magnetic forces and attracts the material he wants.there is nothing to absorb.

Give it up, genii. I know it's you. You're wrong. Gaara infuses his chakra with all his sand, else how would he be able to manipulate it?

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Unless you're implying this was used with his guard sand alone; any sand that is being manipulated by Gaara has chakra in it.

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@ Bold - You can go ahead and disagree with the manga, but it says otherwise."

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" So obviously it did, seeing that Madara had to opt to using the PS. Nagato already activated Preta Path on Bee seconds before he got a hold of Naruto. Furthermore, his hands were already up.

And I wasn't even talking about the 4th Kazekage. I understand how Jiton works. Gaara, on the other hand, uses chakra to manipulate, strengthen, and quicken his sand. Regardless if it's his guard sand or not.

Anyways, I said i'll counter your thread concerning 4th Kazekage beating Kisame when I found the time. So here it is;

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The fight regarding the 4th Kazekage and Kisame would end fairly quickly. Much like his battle with Gaara.

Countering kisame's jutsu
-Gold is 20x heavier than water,which immediately gives the kazekage a huge advantage over kisame. Also the kazekage needs no prep time to fire a gold tsunami,and such can counter a water wave kisame spits from his mouth instantly

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,and when gold and water clash,gold wins.thus the gold wave will push back kisame's water wave,and kisame will be hit with both attacks.

You're most likely right in saying that if the gold dust and water were to clash, the gold dust will win. However Kisame can easily avoid the massive wave that is being sent back at him by using the

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] This technique coupled by a few Mizu Bunshins to join him in the underground assault, will surely spell out death for the 4th Kazege; who will not see them coming, adding on to the fact that he has shown to lack the reaction speed to deal with such an assault from underneath his feet [

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] As he fell for the same tactic twice.

Multiple Samehada slashes from Kisame and Mizu Bunshin's ends the fight here. As Samehada was noted to be able to tear off limbs [

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[genii96]

@ forbidden tech,sorry for the wait,didnt even see this post.


The difference between gaara's gourd and normal sand is that he infuses chakra into the gourd sand,it drains his chakra using normal sand faster than it dose gourd sand because of this same reason. It takes chakra to control the sand,but the normal sand isnt infused with chakra,against kimimaro he didnt infuse his sand tsunami with chakra,he just pulled it out from the ground. Take kirin of example,it uses normal lightening,which means it cant be absorbed,yet it still drains sasuke's chakra to do it. Also infusing chakra into something,requires physical contact dosent it?. Now for your rebutal,

if kisame fires a water wave and it is beaten down by a gold wave,the size of a sand tsunami,and thus changes the landscape,tha would mean that the surface of the ground as well as beneath it wouuld be layered with gold dust and thus the elevation of the ground would be increases,as they would fight atop a gold covered surface,if kisame chooses to dive underneath,he cant get up to him,since he cant dig throgh gold which is denser than steel by 2.5x like he does ordinary earth. Also kisame spits it out,he dosent do it like the kazekage,and such he wont even be able to go underneath when the kazekage counters it.
The kazekage got hit with that under move the first time,and broke out the next panel,the second time was because he ws protecting the others,i seem to remember a similar ecounter with deidara and gaara,which is how gaara got hit,he was being attacked from above and below,all kages except muu got caught in it.
A gold dome ensures a 360 degree defence,gold is a lot stronger than flesh,so the sword isnt cutting it,and the kazekage can just take flight too,which ensures that no under attacks would work.

 

[SilverKyubi]

Interesting points I'd love to see an actual battle between these two.

 

[genii96]

Interesting points I'd love to see an actual battle between these two.

yea tanx. 10 char

 

[deidara senpai]

I disagree

First off the gold has chakra that's the only way it would be able to move is because of ninjutsu, so chakra can be absorbed

As for water some, do you know how quick that thing expands ? That plus their is no feat of the fourth being able to fly when we do this we do feats. Just because he taught gaara some ninjutsu doesn't mean he has all of this since we haven't seen it we. Any go with it besides ill admit what the fourth has shown he is kage level and can beat a lot but not kisame

Us the fourths speed in the water dome will be outmatched as a fish like kisame would bash the hell out of him and suck him up dry

Just a few points their are some more but i admit you proved that the fourth wont lose as horribly

As for the teaching thing for all we know, it
Might have been the weaker techs gaara had like how to control sand like he controls the gold dust not specific techs like that

 

[genii96]

I disagree

First off the gold has chakra that's the only way it would be able to move is because of ninjutsu, so chakra can be absorbed

As for water some, do you know how quick that thing expands ? That plus their is no feat of the fourth being able to fly when we do this we do feats. Just because he taught gaara some ninjutsu doesn't mean he has all of this since we haven't seen it we. Any go with it besides ill admit what the fourth has shown he is kage level and can beat a lot but not kisame

Us the fourths speed in the water dome will be outmatched as a fish like kisame would bash the hell out of him and suck him up dry

Just a few points their are some more but i admit you proved that the fourth wont lose as horribly

As for the teaching thing for all we know, it
Might have been the weaker techs gaara had like how to control sand like he controls the gold dust not specific techs like that

wrong,the gold is being controlled via magnetism,the kazekage turns his chakra to a magnetic force,which he uses to attract the gold,thus the gold itself dosent possess chakra.

water dome would be beaten by a gold wave anyway should the kazekage remain on ground,flying is nothing,he just uses his gold platform to fly. He obviously taught gaara the jutsu.

As for water dome speed,the kazekage can fly over it or just use large gold attacks to counter,what use is speed if you cant move anywhere.

He used a gold dust wave which was equal to a sand tsunami and he and gaara pretty much were equal in both speed and strength. He also took his techs from former shukaku jins too so hi gold techs are similar

 

[deidara senpai]

wrong,the gold is being controlled via magnetism,the kazekage turns his chakra to a magnetic force,which he uses to attract the gold,thus the gold itself dosent possess chakra.

water dome would be beaten by a gold wave anyway should the kazekage remain on ground,flying is nothing,he just uses his gold platform to fly. He obviously taught gaara the jutsu.

As for water dome speed,the kazekage can fly over it or just use large gold attacks to counter,what use is speed if you cant move anywhere.

He used a gold dust wave which was equal to a sand tsunami and he and gaara pretty much were equal in both speed and strength. He also took his techs from former shukaku jins too so hi gold techs are similar

A gold wave stops the water dome? What lol the speed of it is very fast and I know the fourths dust speed is fast as well but the gold dusts size would doesn't compare I water dome it would just be trapped inside

Gold dust doesn't appear out of nowhere either it's made from him so obviously their is chakra in the dust otherwise how would it appear

 

[slaton02]

I disagree

Kisame can absorb the Kazekages chakra that is manipulating the goldust

Golddust will not effect water like an earth release

Waterdome and it's over

1000 shark

Kisame has to many tricks

 

[genii96]

A gold wave stops the water dome? What lol the speed of it is very fast and I know the fourths dust speed is fast as well but the gold dusts size would doesn't compare I water dome it would just be trapped inside

Gold dust doesn't appear out of nowhere either it's made from him so obviously their is chakra in the dust otherwise how would it appear

gold is 20x the weight of water,thus,it will stop it,and he dosent have to cover the entire dome anyway,just the part kisame is in. the gold comes from below th ground,not from the kazekage,so there isnt chakra in it.

I disagree

Kisame can absorb the Kazekages chakra that is manipulating the goldust

Golddust will not effect water like an earth release

Waterdome and it's over

1000 shark

Kisame has to many tricks

doton is stronger than suiton because of it's sturdy nature,gold is even more sturdier than earth,and thus will have an even stronger effect. shaks wont do much good if the opponent is flyng outside water will they?,or if the water is infested with gold dust?