Rikudō Sennin origins

[KingHashirama]

Nah, Uzumaki are Senju. Notice how their relationship was said to be with the Senju CLAN..... and then Nagato was selected because he as Uzumaki is from the Senju lineage.

However, most you will read it wrong. But Uzumaki clan of HASHIRAMA'S TIME....and the Senju clan of Hashirama's time, were distant relatives... However, since you guys obviously cannot comprehend that, its quite pointless to argue with you guys. =D


Uzumaki and Senju alliance baby, F*ck yall haters. .

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This is the correct Genealogical Chart of the Four Clans:

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From the Uzumaki ancestor was born the Rikudou Sennin and his Uzumaki kin. Rikudou's Uzumaki kindred are the direct ancestors of the Shinobi-era Uzumaki Clan. The Rikudou Sennin himself started his own branch, as the Juubi's Jinchuuriki and through the use of the Creation of All Things Jutsu, the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors came into existence. The Elder Son's progeny intermarried with the Hyuugas, the Elder Son's offspring became the Uchiha Clan. The Younger Son's descendants became the Senjus, centuries later a descendant of the Senju Ancestor: Hashirama, married his distant cousin Mito, creating a hybrid mixture of Uzumaki and Senjus in the persons of Tsunade and Nawaki.

 

[Bronze]

The Uchiha and Senju came from the Juubi, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence with Banbutsu Sozo:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what are the other creations by Rikudou Sennin with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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The Elder and Younger Sons aka the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors.

Before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki the Rikudou Sage was an Uzumaki.

The Younger Sons descendants were specified to be Senjus only:

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No they didn't.

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obito clearly says they inherited their father not the juubi.

Elder Son = Powerful Chakra + Spiritual Energy + Special Dojutsu
Younger Son = Strong Body + Physical Energy + Stamina

That something they inherited from their father because Uchiha + senju = SO6P. You cannot inherit half something if you were created from it. if the two sons were indeed creations then they should have had the juubi powers not their father powers.

Also you missed the part where obito says ''The Bijuu Are But One Example'' so creation of all things was only used to create the bijuu not the sons.

As for madara's statement: he clearly says Divided not created . so that scan doesn't prove they were created from juubi but rather SO6P.

your main evidence he was uzumaki because he used uzumaki sealing jutsu which isn't plausible as hiruzen used one of uzumaki strongest sealing jutsu. does that mean he is uzuamki? No it doesn't. it only shows that sealing jutsu were passed down.

Also, concerning Zetsu's statement:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

You're mixing blood line with marriage. They are not the same thing.

Blood Line:
Noun
An animal's set of ancestors or pedigree.
A set of ancestors or line of descent of a person.

@Underlined: this definition i brought proves me right as if uzuamki are descendants of Younger Son.

this can be proved because senju + uzumaki have similar things:
1-they both have strong life force.
2-they both have strong body.

Marriage however is only Man and woman marry then they produce half chromosomes of man and the other half of woman.

blood line /=/ marriage.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

No they didn't.

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obito clearly says they inherited their father not the juubi.

Elder Son = Powerful Chakra + Spiritual Energy + Special Dojutsu
Younger Son = Strong Body + Physical Energy + Stamina

That something they inherited from their father because Uchiha + senju = SO6P. You cannot inherit half something if you were created from it. if the two sons were indeed creations then they should have had the juubi powers not their father powers.

Also you missed the part where obito says ''The Bijuu Are But One Example'' so creation of all things was only used to create the bijuu not the sons.

As for madara's statement: he clearly says Divided not created . so that scan doesn't prove they were created from juubi but rather SO6P.

your main evidence he was uzumaki because he used uzumaki sealing jutsu which isn't plausible as hiruzen used one of uzumaki strongest sealing jutsu. does that mean he is uzuamki? No it doesn't. it only shows that sealing jutsu were passed down.



You're mixing blood line with marriage. They are not the same thing.

Blood Line:
Noun
An animal's set of ancestors or pedigree.
A set of ancestors or line of descent of a person.

@Underlined: this definition i brought proves me right as if uzuamki are descendants of Younger Son.

this can be proved because senju + uzumaki have similar things:
1-they both have strong life force.
2-they both have strong body.

Marriage however is only Man and woman marry then they produce half chromosomes of man and the other half of woman.

blood line /=/ marriage.

Like I pointed out the Uzumaki is the true original bloodline of Rikūdo Sennin, the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors are artificial creations from the Jūbi's essence with Banbutsu Sōzō that is why the division of the powers of Uchiha and Senju are so evenly divided, because the conception of both their ancestors was not biological but mystical.

The Sage is an Uzumaki, it is an absolute logical certainty.

 

[Bronze]

Like I pointed out the Uzumaki is the true original bloodline of Rikūdo Sennin, the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors are artificial creations from the Jūbi's essence with Banbutsu Sōzō that is why the division of the powers of Uchiha and Senju are so evenly divided, because the conception of both their ancestors was not biological but mystical.

The Sage is an Uzumaki, it is an absolute logical certainty.

all you're doing is nothing but pure speculation that is hardly plausible and it goes against what the manga said.

1-you cannot prove that they came from juubi. but i can because they inherited their father powers. Nothing was said about the juubi, so what you say is fanficiton and bullsh1t speculation. If they came from juubi then they inherit the juubi powers not their father.

2-uzumaki came after the senju because they were descendants as stated by zetsu. your claim is about marriage. my claim is about blood line. senju came after the Younger son, who came after SO6P death. Therefore your Uzuamki theory sh1t crap can go to trash can.

Conclusion:
-SO6P = Uchiha + Senju
-Uzuamki came after senju supported by zetsu
-therefore SO6P cannot be uzumaki

SO6P being uzuamki is your sh1tty theory going against manga statements. you cannot make a theory against something that has been confirmed and try to make something else.

:bye:

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

all you're doing is nothing but pure speculation that is hardly plausible and it goes against what the manga said.

1-you cannot prove that they came from juubi. but i can because they inherited their father powers. Nothing was said about the juubi, so what you say is fanficiton and bullsh1t speculation. If they came from juubi then they inherit the juubi powers not their father.

2-uzumaki came after the senju because they were descendants as stated by zetsu. your claim is about marriage. my claim is about blood line. senju came after the Younger son, who came after SO6P death. Therefore your Uzuamki theory sh1t crap can go to trash can.

Conclusion:
-SO6P = Uchiha + Senju
-Uzuamki came after senju supported by zetsu
-therefore SO6P cannot be uzumaki

SO6P being uzuamki is your sh1tty theory going against manga statements. you cannot make a theory against something that has been confirmed and try to make something else.

:bye:

You must look beneath the underneath, the Body and Eye of the Sage is the Body and Eye of the Jūbi for Rikūdo was the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, you can argue all the semantics you want but it's perfectly clear that the Uchiha and Senju origins along with their powers comes from the Jūbi, the Uzumaki is the true original human bloodline of Rikūdo Sennin prior to becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki.

 

[Avinash012]

You must look beneath the underneath, the Body and Eye of the Sage is the Body and Eye of the Jūbi for Rikūdo was the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, you can argue all the semantics you want but it's perfectly clear that the Uchiha and Senju origins along with their powers comes from the Jūbi, the Uzumaki is the true original human bloodline of Rikūdo Sennin prior to becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki.

Then Telme y did Uzumaki's have the same bloodline abilities as Senju..?

What make u think that Senju are different from Uzumaki....?

Uzumaki's have strong life force and physical strength and it is same as Senju so Uzumaki are decendents of Senju ..deal with it...!

Sealing jutsu..?

Y didn't every Uzumaki is a sealing specialist..?

Even some one with no clan background can master them and can develop new jutsu based on them ....!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Then Telme y did Uzumaki's have the same bloodline abilities as Senju..?

What make u think Senju are different from Uzumaki....?

Uzumaki's have strong life force and physical strength and it is same as Senju so Uzumaki are decendents of Senju ..deal with it...!

You are making an attributional error, the Strong Body of the Senjus come from the Jūbi's Yang, the same way the Uchiha's Eyes and spiritual energy comes from the Jūbi's Yin, the Uzumaki Life force and Longevity are innate attributes of the Uzumakis and Rikūdo Sennin that enabled Rikūdo to become the Jūbi's Jinchūriki.

The Sage is Uzumaki, it is a logical certitude and as painfully obvious as Tobi=Obito.

 

[Avinash012]

You are making an attributional error, the Strong Body of the Senjus come from the Jūbi's Yang, the same way the Uchiha's Eyes and spiritual energy comes from the Jūbi's Yin, the Uzumaki Life force and Longevity are innate attributes of the Uzumakis and Rikūdo Sennin that enabled Rikūdo to become the Jūbi's Jinchūriki.

How exactly u can say that it is coming from Sage...?

Senju's does have strong life force of Sage as ststed by Manga and Uzumaki got that strong life force from Senju...!

what Enabled Obito to become Juubi's Jin...?

Answer is Strong lifeforce and physical energy of Hashirama which enebled Sage to become Juubi jin...!

 

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How exactly u can say that it is coming from Sage...?

Senju's does have strong life force of Sage as ststed by Manga and Uzumaki got that strong life force from Senju...!

Severely doubt it. We have lots of evidence that the sons and their descendants share their powers more with the Juubi than Rikudou himself.

Mokuton? Hashirama Senju - We've seen the Juubi use techniques reminiscent of such and what Obito is using right now is very similar (Host of...THE JUUBI).

Sharingan? Madara Uchiha - The Tomoe's on the Juubi's eye speak for themselves.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

How exactly u can say that it is coming from Sage...?

Senju's does have strong life force of Sage as ststed by Manga and Uzumaki got that strong life force from Senju...!

Show me a panel where it's stated the Uzumaki Life Force and longevity comes from the Younger Son? None. Because it doesn't.

 

[Faceless VoiD]

all you're doing is nothing but pure speculation that is hardly plausible and it goes against what the manga said.

1-you cannot prove that they came from juubi. but i can because they inherited their father powers. Nothing was said about the juubi, so what you say is fanficiton and bullsh1t speculation. If they came from juubi then they inherit the juubi powers not their father.

2-uzumaki came after the senju because they were descendants as stated by zetsu. your claim is about marriage. my claim is about blood line. senju came after the Younger son, who came after SO6P death. Therefore your Uzuamki theory sh1t crap can go to trash can.

Conclusion:
-SO6P = Uchiha + Senju
-Uzuamki came after senju supported by zetsu
-therefore SO6P cannot be uzumaki

SO6P being uzuamki is your sh1tty theory going against manga statements. you cannot make a theory against something that has been confirmed and try to make something else.

:bye:

^^Very true...theories are very good, but not to be taken as fact...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

^^Very true...theories are very good, but not to be taken as fact...

Evolution is a theory and a fact

Gravity is a theory and a fact

The Sage being an Uzumaki is a theory and a fact.

In the face of substantiated concrete evidences, a hypothesis is accepted as a fact.

 

[2nd hokage]

Wow sir derp has a family tree that makes sense so I'd say sage is uzuamki because uchiha+senju =so6p is wrong like saying me +my bialogical brother=our dad no we both = our dad. Now everyone please stop with the whole half is this and half is that BS his sons and there descendants can all become sages just certain traits are dormant through most of the family tree when genetically the right genes are active you will get the so6p orbito is a copy of the sage but a piss poor one incomplete jubi one eye rinn / other sharingan.

 

[Transcendence]

The "Sage is an Uchiha+Senju" argument doesn't have any merit. His offspring (still not clear if they were biological or mystical) spawned the clans later on through THEIR BLOOD. Not his. It's an illiterate error. Nobody can be two literal separate bloodlines in one and spawn two separate ones like his sons; there would be an immense chance that one of the sons (Biologically) would have both the eyes and body. Too much doubt in that argument.

 

[5nationer]

The Uchiha and Senju came from the Juubi, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence with Banbutsu Sozo:

Viz:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what are the other creations by Rikudou Sennin with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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The Elder and Younger Sons aka the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors.

Before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki the Rikudou Sage was an Uzumaki.

The Younger Sons descendants were specified to be Senjus only:

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Also, concerning Zetsu's statement:


There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

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Sage was an uzumaki
Go see narupedia and Wikipedia
And see what it states

For the record
Uchiha + Senju = Uzumaki
Therefore
Sage = Uzumaki => Uchiha + Senju