kakashi vs neji

[Prince Charles]

kakashi stomps.

Pretty clear when neji was struggling with fighting zetsu fodder.

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi stomps.

Pretty clear when Neji was struggling with fighting Zetsu fodder.

that is a mean thing to say.

 

[adeshina365]

that is a mean thing to say.

The truth hurts

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Neji specializes in taijutsu unlike the people Kakashi beat in CQC.I want you to name the people Kakashi beat in taijutsu cause i guarantee Neji is better.Come don't keep me waiting.


Goddammit are you even online.

up srry did see this.
Hidan.
Zabuza.
guy.
Obito
early part 1naruto
early part 2 naruto
that guy from the seven mist swordsman(the fat one/ old samehada user)
edo zabuza.

went head to head with:
itachi,
two of pains paths,
v2 jins.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kakashi stomps.

Pretty clear when Neji was struggling with fighting Zetsu fodder.

I second this.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The truth hurts

it truly does. My sides ache from the pain i'm laughing so hard.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I second this.

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

U didn't have to quote him in your sig.

 

[EZQ]

Neji can beat Kakashi

Lol.

funny you ¬.¬

 

[Smd]

lol neji was fighting zetsu clones

neji was killed by a stick

kakashi>neji

 

[EZQ]

lol al TimJamison

Kakashi kept up with 4 EDO JINJURICKIS wich are way faster than nejii... If neji goes CQC with 4 edo jins in V2 he gets murdered...

 

[Gakido]

Pretty sure Wave Arc Kakashi is the only way to make this a decent match. Even then I would give it to Kakashi, Especially if he has a water source.

 

[fastrthnwind]

such arguments are to be expected sine neji and kakashi never actually fought each other ( and never will considering neji's predicament) As for the "everyone else" bit the only people i mentioned are s-class nins that kakashi's usual tactics/gambits have worked on.

No such arguments are unsound and cannot be proven with such fallacious reasoning.

There is an absence of evidence backing up your claim. Rock lee graduated without being able to preform basic ninjutsu, and even though he has a 4 in ninjutsu he has shown nothing outside of hyuuga techniques.

Neji was mentioned to be the top of his class when he graduated which goes to show that he was exceptional in all areas of basic jutsu, including ninjutsu. Lee was an exception made by his own teacher Gai because he wanted to help Lee prove his ninja way.

I'm guessing you meant kakashi..... but just like valley of end sasuke he can see the his hand movements and predict what naruto was going to do. Kakashi can also see the chakra leave his hand, and move toward him in a linear fashion.
Seeing and predicting all of that allows me to believe he can dodge it.

Unlike Naruto who only has good running speed at that time, Neji has the fastest striking speed scond only to Gai using morning peacock, which means his hands move faster than most people can react to. Its why he can strike several times in a second as shown when he uses 8 trigrams 64 palms. Its not a simple, 'dodge the one hit and counterattack' its more like 'keep dodging the super fast repeated hits' This cannot be compared to people who only use their insane footspeed and one punch to get things done like the raikage. And since gentle fist cannot be blocked, they will have to keep dodging and deflecting their blows. Vacuum palm is very quick and seeing the chakra built in his hands is moot because Neji has chakra in his hands at all times in the first place, so seeing an increase could also mean having a stronger and more deadly blow instead of the vacuum palm.

A feint is the reason neji lost to naruto in part 1. Kakashi being a master at this should and can trick neji.

This is where I KNOW you didn't do your research because if you go back to that page you would notice that Neji turned his byakugan OFF, due to his arrogant attitude at the time. He wont make that mistake against someone like Kakashi. You cant trick a person who can literally see EVERYTHING that you are doing.

Coupled with the sharingan and his ability to open the first gate kakashi can create a gap in their speed, to top it off according to databook early part 2 kakashi is a full point higher in strength.

While this may be true, kakashi is not used to using the gates so if he resorts to using it, then he will wear himself out very quickly as Lee, a person much more accustomed and built to use the gates, himself was visibly tired after using it, so coupling that with the already heavy drainage from the use of the sharingan will eventually be his downfall if he cant get in any meaningful hits.

Beast runner is kakashi's lightening dog so i dont see how neji can stop it.

I must have misunderstood, however this can easily be countered using vacuum palm or his defensive jutsus.

I'd love to know what these countermeasures are.

As for raiden. There is no reason why it wouldn't make it through. The chakra neji is expelling from his body isn't stronger then the lightening natured chakra running through raiden. The only form of raikiri that's weaker then the original is the breast runner since it doesn't have any cutting/piercing qualities. It would be foolish to say a raikiri run through a kunai is weaker than standard raikiri.. Why use the kunai then? Same goes for raiden.

Your entire argument revolves around neji's rotation....Pun intended.

It can be any sort of countermeasure because he knows that Kakashi would not be expecting it: point blank vacuum palm, one body blow, restarting rotation, anything really

There is much more chakra being expelled in rotation compared to the little bit kakashi is using with raiden so overall neji has the stronger move. The only difference is that raiden has an elemental advantage over regular chakra. as I said earlier, its just raikiri extended into a horizontal line with the exact same cutting ability spread over a certain area. Rotation deflects all chakra from all directions, which includes chakra from jutsus like raikiri. It may sink in a few inches, but the sheer amount of force from the expulsion of chakra and the amount of chakra used to resist the lightning chakra coupled with the high speed spinning used to deflect it will break the line before it gets too far inside.

Rotation is one of the strongest absolute defenses in the manga despite how much everyone tries to hype up susanoo or gaaras sand (which ever is their favorite one) and its defensive capabilities actually surpass both of them just because it is a spinning defense that eliminates the weaknesses that the others have of typical wall type defenses which is piercing and concussive forces (que people complaining about how much better susanoo and gaaras sand is)

So yes, much of his battles are based around his most powerful moves which includes rotation

i don't think neji can go toe to toe with hidan without losing a drop of blood in straight taijutsu.
And kakashi been training with guy for the past....17 years? trained with body so that it can be fast enough to use chidori (Speeds equivalent to part 1 weightless lee) since age....12-13? 18 years later he upgraded it does it comfortably to the point where he no longer needs his sharingan to aim it, or handsigns to pull it out.

Because of Neji's perfectionist attitude and abilities, he is one of the few people who could do just that. Kakashi hasn't necessarily been training with him for that long, after all they were on separate teams for a long time, though they did have their brief skirmishes. Kakashi is not physically that fast because, unlike Lee, he has a working chakra network and can use shunshin jutsu to increase his speed temporarily to use jutsu's like chidori. Where do you see kakashi using raikiri without sharingan? cause t was made VERY clear that without it, he was very vulnerable to counterattacks, so it is VERY risky for him to use it without the sharingan.

 

[EZQ]

No such arguments are unsound and cannot be proven with such fallacious reasoning.



Neji was mentioned to be the top of his class when he graduated which goes to show that he was exceptional in all areas of basic jutsu, including ninjutsu. Lee was an exception made by his own teacher Gai because he wanted to help Lee prove his ninja way.



Unlike Naruto who only has good running speed at that time, Neji has the fastest striking speed scond only to Gai using morning peacock, which means his hands move faster than most people can react to. Its why he can strike several times in a second as shown when he uses 8 trigrams 64 palms. Its not a simple, 'dodge the one hit and counterattack' its more like 'keep dodging the super fast repeated hits' This cannot be compared to people who only use their insane footspeed and one punch to get things done like the raikage. And since gentle fist cannot be blocked, they will have to keep dodging and deflecting their blows. Vacuum palm is very quick and seeing the chakra built in his hands is moot because Neji has chakra in his hands at all times in the first place, so seeing an increase could also mean having a stronger and more deadly blow instead of the vacuum palm.



This is where I KNOW you didn't do your research because if you go back to that page you would notice that Neji turned his byakugan OFF, due to his arrogant attitude at the time. He wont make that mistake against someone like Kakashi. You cant trick a person who can literally see EVERYTHING that you are doing.



While this may be true, kakashi is not used to using the gates so if he resorts to using it, then he will wear himself out very quickly as Lee, a person much more accustomed and built to use the gates, himself was visibly tired after using it, so coupling that with the already heavy drainage from the use of the sharingan will eventually be his downfall if he cant get in any meaningful hits.



I must have misunderstood, however this can easily be countered using vacuum palm or his defensive jutsus.



It can be any sort of countermeasure because he knows that Kakashi would not be expecting it: point blank vacuum palm, one body blow, restarting rotation, anything really

There is much more chakra being expelled in rotation compared to the little bit kakashi is using with raiden so overall neji has the stronger move. The only difference is that raiden has an elemental advantage over regular chakra. as I said earlier, its just raikiri extended into a horizontal line with the exact same cutting ability spread over a certain area. Rotation deflects all chakra from all directions, which includes chakra from jutsus like raikiri. It may sink in a few inches, but the sheer amount of force from the expulsion of chakra and the amount of chakra used to resist the lightning chakra coupled with the high speed spinning used to deflect it will break the line before it gets too far inside.

Rotation is one of the strongest absolute defenses in the manga despite how much everyone tries to hype up susanoo or gaaras sand (which ever is their favorite one) and its defensive capabilities actually surpass both of them just because it is a spinning defense that eliminates the weaknesses that the others have of typical wall type defenses which is piercing and concussive forces (que people complaining about how much better susanoo and gaaras sand is)

So yes, much of his battles are based around his most powerful moves which includes rotation



Because of Neji's perfectionist attitude and abilities, he is one of the few people who could do just that. Kakashi hasn't necessarily been training with him for that long, after all they were on separate teams for a long time, though they did have their brief skirmishes. Kakashi is not physically that fast because, unlike Lee, he has a working chakra network and can use shunshin jutsu to increase his speed temporarily to use jutsu's like chidori. Where do you see kakashi using raikiri without sharingan? cause t was made VERY clear that without it, he was very vulnerable to counterattacks, so it is VERY risky for him to use it without the sharingan.

You gave good arguments, Solid arguments... But they're based on a fodder version of kakashi, the Kakashi you used there doesn't have Kakashi's current skills...

Kakashi kept up with 4 edo jins in v2 with no help (look at my thread, it has that name)... Kakashi speedblitzed and stomps... Neji good reaction speed? he was surprised by a zetsu on the war arc and couldn't use rotation fast enough to save Naruto so he got killed by a toothpick...

Kakashi vs Neji = Your sig (R.I.P NEJI)

 

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[BenjerminGaye]

Sorry for the wait. Damn website deleted my entire post and i had to redo it. I won't go into as much detail as i originally wanted to.

Neji was mentioned to be the top of his class when he graduated which goes to show that he was exceptional in all areas of basic jutsu, including ninjutsu. Lee was an exception made by his own teacher Gai because he wanted to help Lee prove his ninja way.

Yet he has no feats of the sort to back this up. Not even clone jutsu.

Unlike Naruto who only has good running speed at that time, Neji has the fastest striking speed scond only to Gai using morning peacock, which means his hands move faster than most people can react to. Its why he can strike several times in a second as shown when he uses 8 trigrams 64 palms. Its not a simple, 'dodge the one hit and counterattack' its more like 'keep dodging the super fast repeated hits' This cannot be compared to people who only use their insane footspeed and one punch to get things done like the raikage. And since gentle fist cannot be blocked, they will have to keep dodging and deflecting their blows. Vacuum palm is very quick and seeing the chakra built in his hands is moot because Neji has chakra in his hands at all times in the first place, so seeing an increase could also mean having a stronger and more deadly blow instead of the vacuum palm.

Stop overhyping neji's jabs. They are nowhere near as fast as morning peacock.
As shown in your sig vacuum palm has obvious telltale signs. (the thrusting forward of his hand, chakra build up into his hand for the attack and the chakra expulsion from his hand to hit the target. The sharingan will see all of this and kakashi will react accordingly.

This is where I KNOW you didn't do your research because if you go back to that page you would notice that Neji turned his byakugan OFF, due to his arrogant attitude at the time. He wont make that mistake against someone like Kakashi. You cant trick a person who can literally see EVERYTHING that you are doing.

I am well aware that neji turned his byakaugan off . It still stands that neji was tricked by something kakashi specializes in. Clone feints.Considering that neji himself said he cant tell the difference i don't see how he wont get tricked.

While this may be true, kakashi is not used to using the gates so if he resorts to using it, then he will wear himself out very quickly as Lee, a person much more accustomed and built to use the gates, himself was visibly tired after using it, so coupling that with the already heavy drainage from the use of the sharingan will eventually be his downfall if he cant get in any meaningful hits.

Kakashi can only open 1 gate. Him opening that gate doesn't tire him out.

It can be any sort of countermeasure because he knows that Kakashi would not be expecting it: point blank vacuum palm, one body blow,

Such attacks on a lightening clone will result in neji's downfall.

restarting rotation

He has to restart spinning for that.

There is much more chakra being expelled in rotation, compared to the little bit kakashi is using with raiden so overall neji has the stronger move. The only difference is that raiden has an elemental advantage over regular chakra.

The density of the chakra and the rate in which it is being expelled remains constant. Raiden has already cut through much denser chakra with ease.

as I said earlier, its just raikiri extended into a horizontal line with the exact same cutting ability spread over a certain area.

Incorrect. The mechanics behind raiden and raikiri are different. Raiden has a much greater cutting proficiency while raikri has a higher piercing ability.

Example:
Raikiri couldn't penetrate v2 jins

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But Raiden cut clean through with ease:

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Rotation deflects all chakra from all directions, which includes chakra from jutsus like raikiri.. It may sink in a few inches,

Raikiri, not raiden

but the sheer amount of force from the expulsion of chakra and the amount of chakra used to resist the lightning chakra coupled with the high speed spinning used to deflect it will break the line before it gets too far inside.

That makes no sense. If it could sink in a few inches without being affected( since the rotation speed and chakra expulsion rate remains constant) Why would it stop at a few inches ? The amount of force it is going up against wont change...soo why would raiden stop? 4 inches,4 feet. Its all the same. Whats pulling the chain through is the hands at the end of the chain which wont even be making contact with rotation to begin with.

Rotation is one of the strongest absolute defenses in the manga despite how much everyone tries to hype up susanoo or gaaras sand (which ever is their favorite one) and its defensive capabilities actually surpass both of them just because it is a spinning defense that eliminates the weaknesses that the others have of typical wall type defenses which is piercing and concussive forces (que people complaining about how much better susanoo and gaaras sand is)

Stop with the hype. Show me the feats.
Rotation has the defensive abilities of a incomplete rasengan. All it is is on a larger scale.

Because of Neji's perfectionist attitude and abilities, he is one of the few people who could do just that. Kakashi hasn't necessarily been training with him for that long, after all they were on separate teams for a long time, though they did have their brief skirmishes. Kakashi is not physically that fast because, unlike Lee, he has a working chakra network and can use shunshin jutsu to increase his speed temporarily to use jutsu's like chidori. Where do you see kakashi using raikiri without sharingan? cause t was made VERY clear that without it, he was very vulnerable to counterattacks, so it is VERY risky for him to use it without the sharingan.

Kakashi has been competing with guy since at least the kyuubi attack.
Sasuke is the only one who used body flicker for his chidori

Minato said he already had the speed and power necessary for it since age 12-13.17 years later all he did was improve

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No handseals no sharingan. Ready to use it

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[fastrthnwind]

Re: kakashi vs nejin t

Sorry for the wait. Damn website deleted my entire post and i had to redo it. I won't go into as much detail as i originally wanted to.



Yet he has no feats of the sort to back this up. Not even clone jutsu.

It is required to pass. Its not even debateable. The only exceptions were Naruto and Lee.

Stop overhyping neji's jabs. They are nowhere near as fast as morning peacock.
As shown in your sig vacuum palm has obvious telltale signs. (the thrusting forward of his hand, chakra build up into his hand for the attack and the chakra expulsion from his hand to hit the target. The sharingan will see all of this and kakashi will react accordingly.

Did i say they were as fast as morning peacock? You are putting words into my mouth now, and that is not something you should be doing. It makes you look bad in the end. I said his handspeed is second to guy using morning peacock.

I am well aware that neji turned his byakaugan off . It still stands that neji was tricked by something kakashi specializes in. Clone feints.Considering that neji himself said he cant tell the difference i don't see how he wont get tricked.

He was only tricked because he turned it off thinking the battle is over. He wont do it against an opponent like Kakashi. I repeat, you cannot trick someone who can see everything.

Kakashi can only open 1 gate. Him opening that gate doesn't tire him out.

Kakashi doesnt have stamina nor the endurance that guy or even lee has. If he opens the first gate, he will exhaust himself very quickly. Only experienced gate users like guy and lee can withstand the tiring effects of the gates.

Such attacks on a lightening clone will result in neji's downfall. He has to restart spinning for that.

Chakra can protect himself from it. It only works if the body is touching it, not chakra. You think restarting a spin is hard? He just speeds hiself up again.

The density of the chakra and the rate in which it is being expelled remains constant. Raiden has already cut through much denser chakra with ease.

The size and power of the rotation can be adjusted at will. Moot point there. Raiden has cut through thicker chakra, but that chakra was not being forced back at itself by another mass amount of chakra that is being rotated at high speeds to force it to the side. Rotation is a deflection/reflection jutsu. You cant cut or pierce a jutsu that is meant for deflection.

Incorrect. The mechanics behind raiden and raikiri are different. Raiden has a much greater cutting proficiency while raikri has a higher piercing ability.

Example:
Raikiri couldn't penetrate v2 jins

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But Raiden cut clean through with ease:

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It is merely extending the range that it is used to cover a certain distance by using a chain between two people instead of one so that instead of concentrating it into one area, where it is most likely not gonna cut someone head off, it is spread out so that it has the ability to cut with the same piercing ability of raikiri.

Raikiri, not raiden
That makes no sense. If it could sink in a few inches without being affected( since the rotation speed and chakra expulsion rate remains constant) Why would it stop at a few inches ? The amount of force it is going up against wont change...soo why would raiden stop? 4 inches,4 feet. Its all the same. Whats pulling the chain through is the hands at the end of the chain which wont even be making contact with rotation to begin with.

It would be affected by it since it would only sink in a bit just from the velocity of the attack alone before breaking off since the rotating chakra is fircing it to one side altogether. This isnt a wall jutsu that will just stand there and take it. Rotations spinning puts it above conventional defenses because of its rotation that not only defends, but reflects it as well. The chakra between the hands is free and therefore able to break if it meets any sort of force that tries to divide it which is exactly what rotations will do.

Stop with the hype. Show me the feats.
Rotation has the defensive abilities of a incomplete rasengan. All it is is on a larger scale.

Dont talk about it like you know what it is. From what you have been saying about it, you know nothing at all about that technique or about the hyuuga techniques in general. Do your research before you claim anything. And yea you can say "show me the feats" all day, yet when it comes down to it, you need to know exactly what it is and why it was hyped to be so strong in the first place. It was given hype that its was stronger than gaaras sand and just because it was mentioned by tenten doesnt make it any less credible. Also it was stated never to have been broken, and it has yet to be completely defeated at its most powerful.

Kakashi has been competing with guy since at least the kyuubi attack.
Sasuke is the only one who used body flicker for his chidori

Minato said he already had the speed and power necessary for it since age 12-13.17 years later all he did was improve

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No handseals no sharingan. Ready to use it

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Can you prove that he is the only one who uses shunshin for his chidori? From what i have seen and read from the databook and even the manga, every single instance of a person using bursts of high speed movement with the exception of guy and lee are considered to be using shunshin jutsu.

Now has kakashi used it before without his sharingan and actually succeded in taking down an opponent? Every instance besides that one post shows him with his sharingan activated. Can you rightly justify those other instances?

 

[Optimistic]

Hidan.
Zabuza.
guy.
Obito
early part 1naruto
early part 2 naruto
that guy from the seven mist swordsman(the fat one/ old samehada user)
edo zabuza.

went head to head with:
itachi,
two of pains paths,
v2 jins.

Everything in bold are the ones that aren't better than Neji in Taijutsu.Like i said Kakashi hasn't faced against an opponent like Neji.

 

[Draegod]

Sorry for the wait. Damn website deleted my entire post and i had to redo it. I won't go into as much detail as i originally wanted to.



Yet he has no feats of the sort to back this up. Not even clone jutsu.


Stop overhyping neji's jabs. They are nowhere near as fast as morning peacock.
As shown in your sig vacuum palm has obvious telltale signs. (the thrusting forward of his hand, chakra build up into his hand for the attack and the chakra expulsion from his hand to hit the target. The sharingan will see all of this and kakashi will react accordingly.



I am well aware that neji turned his byakaugan off . It still stands that neji was tricked by something kakashi specializes in. Clone feints.Considering that neji himself said he cant tell the difference i don't see how he wont get tricked.


Kakashi can only open 1 gate. Him opening that gate doesn't tire him out.

Such attacks on a lightening clone will result in neji's downfall. He has to restart spinning for that.

The density of the chakra and the rate in which it is being expelled remains constant. Raiden has already cut through much denser chakra with ease.

Incorrect. The mechanics behind raiden and raikiri are different. Raiden has a much greater cutting proficiency while raikri has a higher piercing ability.

Example:
Raikiri couldn't penetrate v2 jins

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But Raiden cut clean through with ease:

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Raikiri, not raiden
That makes no sense. If it could sink in a few inches without being affected( since the rotation speed and chakra expulsion rate remains constant) Why would it stop at a few inches ? The amount of force it is going up against wont change...soo why would raiden stop? 4 inches,4 feet. Its all the same. Whats pulling the chain through is the hands at the end of the chain which wont even be making contact with rotation to begin with.

Stop with the hype. Show me the feats.
Rotation has the defensive abilities of a incomplete rasengan. All it is is on a larger scale.


Kakashi has been competing with guy since at least the kyuubi attack.
Sasuke is the only one who used body flicker for his chidori

Minato said he already had the speed and power necessary for it since age 12-13.17 years later all he did was improve

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No handseals no sharingan. Ready to use it

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I could care less about your "debate", but Cutting V2 chakra isnt the same as harming V2 jin's directly! The chakra has no solid form underneath (fact), and is not the jinjurikis arms or hands. So him cutting it isnt a feat to brag about when it was just chakra.

If he would have did damage directly to the jinjurikis base/main body then it would have been a feat to brag about, but not even the Lightning Blade got through the tough skin/body of a V2 form!

Learn the difference...

And the mechanics behind Rotation is much higher then you expect!

First off; because of the constant spinning notion of the Jutsu, no attack simple stays in a straight path once contact is made. Any and all attacks gets deflected or repelled! It is designed to send any opponents

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at them (including the Juubi). No attack kakashi has is getting past rotation in the slightest!

 

[EliteKakashi]

Everything in bold are the ones that aren't better than Neji in Taijutsu.Like i said Kakashi hasn't faced against an opponent like Neji.

Gai isn't better than Neji in taijutsu?

..I don't even know what to say to that.

 

[Optimistic]

Gai isn't better than Neji in taijutsu?

..I don't even know what to say to that.

I don't want to know what you want to say so it doesn't matter.Neji is far better at taijutsu than Kakashi take Rotation into account then Kakashi won't stand a chance.