compairing naruto (all forms) and sasuke (all forms)

[AGoodBoy]

That was normal massive ransengan. And no, size isn't the only thing that indicates ransengan's power. It's made with sage chakra, which is stronger than normal chakra. The chakra itself is stronger. Another thing is the anime showed Madara punching away Naruto's ransengan, not tanking it. It didn't get to explode.

As for final susanoo, with your logic, Minato should be given KCM as alive, and Madara should be given wood style and rinnegan while alive.

Enton ribcage is different from using enton with a full susanoo. Clearly SM>Amaterasu since Zetsu said that SM Naruto> MS Sasuke with amaterasu.

What does anime have to do with manga canon?

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, bringing in anime is a desperate attempt.

I disagree with KG's normal eyesight point, but danzo sasuke could defeat naruto.

Naruto isn't dodging amaterasu. I might be wrong on this one, but Was zetsu even shown at the killerbee fight? He might not have even seen that one. Furthermore, MS genjutsu puts naruto down for minutes on end as he has no viable counter for genjutsu other than spotting it and trying to break it. That's not happening quickly as shown by itachi on numerous ocassions. Naruto doesn't have his perfect jin genjutsu advantage in this scenario and he'd be pushed to waste his 5 minutes of SM in a genjutsu. It's over from there.

Nope Gaara's sand able to counter Ama and Madara easily dodged Gaara's sand , on the other hand a clone of Naruto is able to dodge Rikage's attack at point blank range and Rikage is one of the fastest ...Naruto being one of the best sensor is a big advantage for him......

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Sasuke dodged ay who is arguably faster. sharingan is a bigger advantage for sasuke.

 

[slimreaper]

ms sasuke not better than sage mode naruto.

yes he is, stop fapping

 

[KidGamer65]

1.That is the big dif b/w Jman and Naruto ..Jman needs to enter SM to summon them due to lack of enough chakra and it take alot of time for Jman to enter SM....

This is a baseless assumption. That whole process was for the summoning not him gathering Nature Energy. He specifically stated he's calling on the Elder Tods.

Lack of chakra? If he had a lack of chakra to enter SM, then he wouldn't have been able to use it in the first place.

It doesn't take him time to enter SM, it only takes him time to summon Ma and Pa.

Unlike Jman Naruto enters SM in fraction of sec's as proved in case of Obito and Rikage so there is no probulem with that ...

Woah what? What implies this again? What kind of evidence do you have for this again?

I agree that FCD can't distroy Susanoo but it is hard for Sasuke to maintain Susanoo due to the weight of Toad...!

He would simply light the toad on fire with Enton, forcing it to get off of him.

It is already proved in case of Danze that it is hard to maintain Susanoo while being attacked by Strong long range attack's and that Frog sone and Frog Call are Big advantage's for Naruto.....!

Too bad he'll never get to use them.

@ Naruto X man: Even if its wrong to have his eyesight restored, he can still utilize Enton with his other levels of Susanoo.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

-Naruto's Massive Rasengan Barrage started as normal Rasengans. He added Nature Energy and what happened?

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Not to mention Jiraiya's technique is also used in Sage Mode thus being made from Senjutsu chakra, so if there is power difference, it isn't that large and wouldn't be a factor regardless. Naruto having a Perfect SM doesn't make his Senjutsu chakra more powerful than Jiraiya's own (Even if it does, it won't be significant enough to significantly damage a v4 Susanoo). It gives him Frog Kata, sensing abilities, and etc.

Why are you even using anime here? Manga doesn't show him punching it away and anime and manga like to show different things.

-Anime showed Obito warping away Fu without contact despite contact being needed.

-Anime showed Obito using Kamui with a 3-Tomoe Sharingan.

-Anime showed the Rasengan Madara punched away being sent flying along with the clone, no such thing occurred in the manga.

The best it did was to stun Kurama, FRS stunned and damaged it.



Did Minato show KCM while alive? No. Did Madara show Mokuton while alive? No. (He showed Rinnegan btw) Did Sasuke show Final Susanoo? Yes he did. Not seeing how you are making sense here. The one and only reason he wasn't able to use it is cause he went blind. There is no other reason.



Um, no, its not. The only difference is the version of Susanoo its being used with. Enton Kagutsuchi is a completely separate technique from Susanoo and there is no reason why Sasuke can't use it for whatever form of Susanoo he wants to use it for.

Though it doesn't matter since his Final Susanoo holds an Amaterasu orb.

Except I never said that SM Naruto would die to Amaterasu, only if he decides to try and summon Ma and Pa and only if he runs out of SM.

Senjutsu enhances ninjutsu. Naruto has a massive ransengan using his own chakra. This means Sage art: massive ransengan is much stronger.

 

[slimreaper]

bm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ems by feats

lol you can't prove BM naruto can break sasuke's susanoo so no he isn't

 

[Sennin of Logic]

lol you can't prove BM naruto can break sasuke's susanoo so no he isn't

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It takes a final susanoo 20X Sasuke's own to block a TBB. He only tanked it when it became PS. Sasuke's susanoo can't tank TBB.

 

[Avinash012]

What does anime have to do with manga canon?

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, bringing in anime is a desperate attempt.

I disagree with KG's normal eyesight point, but danzo sasuke could defeat naruto.

Naruto isn't dodging amaterasu. I might be wrong on this one, but Was zetsu even shown at the killerbee fight? He might not have even seen that one. Furthermore, MS genjutsu puts naruto down for minutes on end as he has no viable counter for genjutsu other than spotting it and trying to break it. That's not happening quickly as shown by itachi on numerous ocassions. Naruto doesn't have his perfect jin genjutsu advantage in this scenario and he'd be pushed to waste his 5 minutes of SM in a genjutsu. It's over from there.


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Sasuke dodged ay who is arguably faster. sharingan is a bigger advantage for sasuke.

R u saying that Enton can force and stop Sand from attacking Sasuke..?

Sasuke already activated Susanoo there is no need for him to use Enton for defence and Sasuke clearly mentioned that u r Dfnce is working fine smthng like that ,Read my scan it is an MS version which is better than MP...

 

[slimreaper]

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It takes a final susanoo 20X Sasuke's own to block a TBB. He only tanked it when it became PS. Sasuke's susanoo can't tank TBB.

that susanoo is the same level as sasuke's. and size does not equal strength. saying it is 20 times greater is false it is only larger. It is of the same level and hence the same durability

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you have no proof only speculation so again I will say they are equal until naruto proves he can break v4 susanoo. Not to mention he blocked it with only his swords, the thinnest and most fragile part of susanoo

 

[KidGamer65]

Senjutsu enhances ninjutsu. Naruto has a massive ransengan using his own chakra. This means Sage art: massive ransengan is much stronger.

Senjutsu enhanced his normal Rasengan to the size of a Massive Rasengan. Like I said, manga clearly shows that Rasengan's power is based on size. The Senjutsu chakra only increases its size making it stronger. Its not like Rasengan is some kind of giant rock that could deal more damage based on its density. TBB, the jutsu Rasengan came from works the same away. Size=Power.

Naruto made two Big Rasengan's in Sage Mode, the Senjutsu chakra caused them to increase in size creating Sage Art: Big Ball Rasengan. The same as the orginial but its only bigger.

You'd be correct if Naruto started off with a Massive Rasengan and made it into a bigger Rasengan via Sage Chakra, but he didn't. So you're wrong.

Bigger is better with Rasengan.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Senjutsu enhanced his normal Rasengan to the size of a Massive Rasengan. Like I said, manga clearly shows that Rasengan's power is based on size. The Senjutsu chakra only increases its size making it stronger. Its not like Rasengan is some kind of giant rock that could deal more damage based on its density. TBB, the jutsu Rasengan came from works the same away. Size=Power.

Naruto made two Big Rasengan's in Sage Mode, the Senjutsu chakra caused them to increase in size creating Sage Art: Big Ball Rasengan. The same as the orginial but its only bigger.

You'd be correct if Naruto started off with a Massive Rasengan and made it into a bigger Rasengan via Sage Chakra, but he didn't. So you're wrong.

Bigger is better with Rasengan.

Mind telling me how he's using natural energy? Size of ransengan/=/ amount of chakra put into it. Because it's mixed with natural energy, SM ransengan is stronger than the normal ones of its size.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mind telling me how he's using natural energy? Size of ransengan/=/ amount of chakra put into it. Because it's mixed with natural energy, SM ransengan is stronger than the normal ones of its size.

That makes no sense at all considering Rasengan IS pure Chakra, nothing else. Rasengan's size=The amount of chakra put into it. Natural Energy only makes it bigger which has been shown in multiple scans now.

Feats disagree with the bold. SM Rasengan hasn't been shown to be more powerful than a normal Rasengan of its size. All the Nature Energy does is make it bigger. Bigger is better with Rasengan. That's why every single time without exception, where Rasengan gets a power up. It gets bigger.

 

[Avinash012]

This is a baseless assumption. That whole process was for the summoning not him gathering Nature Energy. He specifically stated he's calling on the Elder Tods.

Lack of chakra? If he had a lack of chakra to enter SM, then he wouldn't have been able to use it in the first place.

It doesn't take him time to enter SM, it only takes him time to summon Ma and Pa.

WTF..?
How could summoning will take time in the first place..?
What kind of preparation does it needs to Summon them..?
For what reason Jman needs to stand still and hold his hands like that...?

Jman had huge amount of chakra for sure but the amount of chakra that require for Summoning is proportional to the Strength of Summoning as already proved by Naruto's training for Summoning jutsu....!

Y didn't Ma take that much time as Jman to summon that many ...?
Pa mentioned that Ma can summon strong worriers..what is the dif B/w Ma and Jman..?

Woah what? What implies this again? What kind of evidence do you have for this again?

What manga have u been Reading ...?

Naruto Entering SM in fraction of Sec's to attack Obito

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During Rikage's case\

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[slimreaper]

Mind telling me how he's using natural energy? Size of ransengan/=/ amount of chakra put into it. Because it's mixed with natural energy, SM ransengan is stronger than the normal ones of its size.

in the case of rasengan that is exactly how it gains more size, through the addition of chakra. SM rasengan has less of a different chakra. you cannot prove SM Rasengan is greater than Chou odama Rasengan with feats. you are merely speculating as you did earlier

 

[KidGamer65]

WTF..?
How could summoning will take time in the first place..?
What kind of preparation does it needs to Summon them..?
For what reason Jman needs to stand still and hold his hands like that...?

Jman had huge amount of chakra for sure but the amount of chakra that require for Summoning is proportional to the Strength of Summoning as already proved by Naruto's training for Summoning jutsu....!

Y didn't Ma take that much time as Jman to summon that many ...?
Pa mentioned that Ma can summon strong worriers..what is the dif B/w Ma and Jman..?

So you are telling me it took a whole chapter for Jiraiya to gather enough chakra to summon Ma and Pa? If so now explain why Naruto can do it much quicker and summon them instantly? That is like saying it'll take longer to get water from a stream than a lake, just because the lake is bigger. (Naruto being the lake and Jiraiya being the stream)

Don't ask me why it took him a whole chapter to summon them, ask Kishimoto, he clearly put that into the manga.\

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Don't tell me he was gathering Nature Energy cause you have to be still for that. Jiraiya

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What manga have u been Reading ...?

Naruto Entering SM in fraction of Sec's to attack Obito

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I thought that you meant that Naruto can summon Ma and Pa in a fraction of a second.

My bad though.

 

[Avinash012]

So you are telling me it took a whole chapter for Jiraiya to gather enough chakra to summon Ma and Pa? If so now explain why Naruto can do it much quicker and summon them instantly? That is like saying it'll take longer to get water from a stream than a lake, just because the lake is bigger. (Naruto being the lake and Jiraiya being the stream)

Don't ask me why it took him a whole chapter to summon them, ask Kishimoto, he clearly put that into the manga.\

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Bro , what is u r point ...?

Ma summoned all of the in an instant ...What is the reason behind it..?

Bcoz they alway's uses Senjutsu and has alot of juice ....!

It is already stated in Manga that u need to stand still for gathering Natural energy..!

The word "Calling out them" is no different from Summoning them in that Sittuation ....!

It is also stated in Manga that Naruto surpassed Jman during during SM training ..!

Jman can't enter SM as quickly as Naruto...

Jman can't summon strong worriers like Ma & Pa with his own Juice that's y it took that much time for Jman to summon them..

that's y Pa specifically mentioned that Ma can summon strong worriers

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U can clearly see Jman mentioning that Iam entering SM

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[KidGamer65]

Bro , what is u r point ...?

Ma summoned all of the in an instant ...What is the reason behind it..?

Bcoz they alway's uses Senjutsu and has alot of juice ....!

It is already stated in Manga that u need to stand still for gathering Natural energy..!

The word "Calling out them" is no different from Summoning them in that Sittuation ....!

It is also stated in Manga that Naruto surpassed Jman during during SM training ..!

Jman can't enter SM as quickly as Naruto...

Jman can't summon strong worriers like Ma & Pa with his own Juice that's y it took that much time for Jman to summon them..

that's y Pa specifically mentioned that Ma can summon strong worriers

We are talking about Jiraiya and Naruto, not Ma.

Bold is contradictory, he can't summon them with his own juice but he did it in the manga? lmao.

I know that Calling them out=Summoning them, your point?

Jiraiya entering SM as quickly as Naruto doesn't matter here. He wasn't doing that to get into SM he was doing that to summon Ma and Pa.

Naruto having more chakra isn't going let him gather that chakra faster than someone with less chakra, solely because he has more of it, that makes no sense.

I know it was stated that you need to gather natural energy, that's why I said, don't tell me Jiraiya was gathering Natural Energy.

Um, then he says "I'm calling on the Two Great Sennin" your point? It doesn't change the fact he wasn't gathering Nature Energy, to tell me he was to basically saying everything Kishimoto established about Nature Energy is false.
Naruto isn't instantly summoning Ma and Pa.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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It takes a final susanoo 20X Sasuke's own to block a TBB. He only tanked it when it became PS. Sasuke's susanoo can't tank TBB.

I like how madara's susano'o not only dwarfed that tbb, but also tanked it with just the sword. That alone tells you sasuke's CS is about the size of a tbb and is going to tank at the very least one.

R u saying that Enton can force and stop Sand from attacking Sasuke..?

Sasuke already activated Susanoo there is no need for him to use Enton for defence and Sasuke clearly mentioned that u r Dfnce is working fine smthng like that ,Read my scan it is an MS version which is better than MP...

Are you saying it can't...? The

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clearly shows enton moving foward while the sand is cancaving, hence the sand's being pushed back, rofl...

Ribcage susano'o wasn't nearly enough of a defence against gaara's sand... Did you not see Ay breach it a few scans prior? Clearly sasuke would be on more defensive measures. Anyway, MS Interprets it how they think it should be, just like MP. Unless you have an official viz scan, your scan is just as 'useful' as mine. More importantly, sasuke was refering to the sand that blocked gaara's siblings at that point. If you notice, enton pushes back the sand

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, but we see two more entons were also fired in the direction of the siblings which gaara had to inevitable defend against. Therefore, not only did sasuke have to defend himself against the sand with enton, but gaara was also able to defend against his enton with sand, giving rise to sasuke's statement.

 

[Lightning Release]

lol, yes he is.

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MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.

The only attack that can even hope of damaging Sasuke's level 4 Susanoo is Naruto's FRS. Except, Naruto only has 3 FRS to fire and Enton easily counters FRS by consuming it and making a bigger flame

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The FRS is completely gone so than is BS about it being made stronger by the Enton and being a danger to Sasuke is false. It'll get consumed by the flame and turned on Naruto instead, which can later be used to take care of any clones. (Via Kagutsuchi)

V2 Susanoo was able to block off the majority of Kirin's damage, Sasuke's level 4 Susanoo easily tanks that. Even if someone wants to come here saying that FRS cut the Juubi's tails (Which is false, besides, flesh is more prone to cutting and slicing than it is to explosive damage) Its not like FRS will ever hit Susanoo anyway.

No Rasengan of any kind is getting past a level 4 Susanoo or even damaging it, not in a million years so no one mention that either. Not when Kyuubi took more visible damage from FRS, not when FRS is his strongest jutsu.

Toad Summons are completely useless as they get casually one shotted by Enton projectiles. (Which Sasuke can shoot from his level 4 Susanoo due to the Amaterasu orb being present)

No one mention Ma and Pa cause even if Naruto can summon them, we've already seen that it took Jiraiya a whole chapter to call on them, and he had to have his hands clapped together. That leaves him vulnerable to Amaterasu as he would have zero defenses capable of making a difference.

Naruto either ends up getting hit by Amaterasu or he gets hit by an arrow after Sage Mode runs out either due to the 5 minute limit or his FRS limit

MS Sasuke wins this, especially with full intel, waiting for someone to explain how he wins cause with Enton easily countering his strongest move, there is no chance of his victory.

You are probably one of the dumbest people on here* lmfao.



OT, SM Naruto gives EMS Sasuke a run for his money, KCM stomps, and BM is overkill.
GG

 

[KidGamer65]

You are probably one of the dumbest people on lmfao.



OT, SM Naruto gives EMS Sasuke a run for his money, KCM stomps, and BM is overkill.
GG

Says the guy with zero argument. EMS Sasuke stomps SM Naruto. Period.

Also, it seems you are still butthurt I negged you, get over it pal. Its kind of pathetic.

 

[slimreaper]

You are probably one of the dumbest people on here* lmfao.



OT, SM Naruto gives EMS Sasuke a run for his money, KCM stomps, and BM is overkill.
GG

no stop fapping. SM naruto gets raped, KCM naruto gets beat, And you can provide no proof that BM naruto breaks v4 susanoo