compairing naruto (all forms) and sasuke (all forms)

[BooYeah1432]

Good point. I'm not sure about this but isn't FRS known to be incredibly fast, and doesn't amaterasu take a while to release? I mean its fast once released but doesn't it take time to build up chakara in his eye?
I was wrong about v4 susano'o. and i forgot about amaterasu. Also good point on hearing it. Remember against pain, pain didn't notice naruto fly high up into the air. Yes, sharingan can see chakara but you must be looking at it first.
It would be a good fight.
Could go both ways.

 

[KidGamer65]

Good point. I'm not sure about this but isn't FRS known to be incredibly fast, and doesn't amaterasu take a while to release? I mean its fast once released but doesn't it take time to build up chakara in his eye?
I was wrong about v4 susano'o. and i forgot about amaterasu. Also good point on hearing it. Remember against pain, pain didn't notice naruto fly high up into the air. Yes, sharingan can see chakara but you must be looking at it first.
It would be a good fight.
Could go both ways.

Amaterasu takes a while to release, but Enton is used differently from Amaterasu, so no, he can just fire it. Especially with the V4 Susanoo, that possess an Amaterasu orb in its hand. Enton projectiles

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were shown to be as fast as FRS. But even if the ones I'm referring to are slower than the ones in the scan I posted, FRS isn't fast enough to hit him before he can fire the Enton,

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and SM Naruto can't use it point blank.

In the event it were to actually hit Susanoo, then V4 would tank it as a Susanoo two levels weaker allowed Itachi to survive Kirin (Though the Susanoo was destroyed afterward)

 

[Trollasaur]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Base Naruto (part 1) demolishes Sauske (part 1)

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[Optimistic]

BM = EMS

now shower me with insults.

 

[take it easy]

BM = EMS

now shower me with insults.

bm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ems by feats

 

[Sennin of Logic]

lol, yes he is.

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MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.

The only attack that can even hope of damaging Sasuke's level 4 Susanoo is Naruto's FRS. Except, Naruto only has 3 FRS to fire and Enton easily counters FRS by consuming it and making a bigger flame

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The FRS is completely gone so than is BS about it being made stronger by the Enton and being a danger to Sasuke is false. It'll get consumed by the flame and turned on Naruto instead, which can later be used to take care of any clones. (Via Kagutsuchi)

V2 Susanoo was able to block off the majority of Kirin's damage, Sasuke's level 4 Susanoo easily tanks that. Even if someone wants to come here saying that FRS cut the Juubi's tails (Which is false, besides, flesh is more prone to cutting and slicing than it is to explosive damage) Its not like FRS will ever hit Susanoo anyway.

No Rasengan of any kind is getting past a level 4 Susanoo or even damaging it, not in a million years so no one mention that either. Not when Kyuubi took more visible damage from FRS, not when FRS is his strongest jutsu.

Toad Summons are completely useless as they get casually one shotted by Enton projectiles. (Which Sasuke can shoot from his level 4 Susanoo due to the Amaterasu orb being present)

No one mention Ma and Pa cause even if Naruto can summon them, we've already seen that it took Jiraiya a whole chapter to call on them, and he had to have his hands clapped together. That leaves him vulnerable to Amaterasu as he would have zero defenses capable of making a difference.

Naruto either ends up getting hit by Amaterasu or he gets hit by an arrow after Sage Mode runs out either due to the 5 minute limit or his FRS limit

MS Sasuke wins this, especially with full intel, waiting for someone to explain how he wins cause with Enton easily countering his strongest move, there is no chance of his victory.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think most of your points are incorrect(minus summons).

Sasuke has been shown to use complete susanoo instantly. So that's likely what was used to stop Kirin. Now let's compare Kirin to Sage art: massive ransengan.

Kirin:

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It destroyed the hideout, which was essentially a small mountain(or it could be a full one, I don't know).


Massive ransengan: Naruto wikia says(with 3rd databook as a source) that Jiraya's sage art:massive ransengan was powerful enough, that if it exploded, it would easily carve away an entire mountain. This was Jiraya's with imperfect SM. Naruto's SM is significantly stronger than Jiraya's, so Naruto's Sage art:massive ransengan should be significantly stronger than Jiraya's. It's overkill to use it against a complete susanoo. If it doesn't destroy final susanoo(or V4 as you call it), it'll significantly damage it. Another thing to note is that Sasuke only maintained final susanoo with MS for an instant. We can't make this part of his arsenal.(you could, but you could only make it for an instant)


Also, Sasuke never combined enton with susanoo with MS, so he's not intercepting ransenshuriken with it. The only time he's done this was, again, final susanoo, which is useless since it only lasted for an instant.

This is for people in general now.


Sasuke's susanoo can't hit Naruto. Want proof? Here's what happened when Sasuke tried to grab Kabuto with susanoo.

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Naruto can most likely do the same if Sasuke tries to slash him.


Amaterasu won't work. Here's the reason. Sasuke managed to evade Amaterasu for a while with the curse mark.

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SM is significantly faster than curse mark. But it's definitely confirmed that Naruto can counter amaterasu with at least SM. Zetsu said SM Naruto was stronger than MS Sasuke when he gained amaterasu.

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This means that Amaterasu couldn't hit Naruto. Some might say that Zetsu made that assumption because of the 9 tails, but think about it. That makes him an even bigger target. It had to have been SM. That's why I think SM is on par, if not beating MS Sasuke.

 

[Minator93]

Lool

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Even Sasuke disagrees with this fapboy.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

BM = EMS

now shower me with insults.

But what if we don't want to shower you with insults? Anyways, from the abilities we've seen from Sasuke, BM Naruto's way stronger.

 

[edyelectric]

How can ms sasuke ever beat sm naruto he beat pain that has the rinnegan then ms sasuke could beat pain ?
Answer:no

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think most of your points are incorrect(minus summons).

Sasuke has been shown to use complete susanoo instantly. So that's likely what was used to stop Kirin. Now let's compare Kirin to Sage art: massive ransengan.

Except, we are talking about Itachi, not Sasuke. Not to mention the simple fact that V2 Susanoo was shown after Kirin gives a stronger implication to believe that V2 was used, not any other level. There is no basis for him using any other level at all.

Kirin:

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It destroyed the hideout, which was essentially a small mountain(or it could be a full one, I don't know).


Massive ransengan: Naruto wikia says(with 3rd databook as a source) that Jiraya's sage art:massive ransengan was powerful enough, that if it exploded, it would easily carve away an entire mountain. This was Jiraya's with imperfect SM. Naruto's SM is significantly stronger than Jiraya's, so Naruto's Sage art:massive ransengan should be significantly stronger than Jiraya's. It's overkill to use it against a complete susanoo. If it doesn't destroy final susanoo(or V4 as you call it), it'll significantly damage it. Another thing to note is that Sasuke only maintained final susanoo with MS for an instant. We can't make this part of his arsenal.(you could, but you could only make it for an instant)

Massive Rasengan is nowhere near the level of being able to carve away an entire Mountain. Naruto used Massive Rasengan against Madara's Ribcage Susanoo

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Rasengan's increase their power with size, nothing else. Jiraiya's use of the Massive Rasengan adds Nature Energy to Big Ball Rasengan to create Massive Rasengan (Also known as Ultra Big Ball Rasengan) Jiraiya's is the same size as the one Naruto used on Madara thus they are equal, so the end result? 1 gets tanked by Ribcage. Naruto's Barrage won't seriously harm a level 4 Susanoo at all.

Not only is it highly unlikely he can do this without using up a lot if not all of his Sage Chakra while not in his mind, which allowed him an continuous supply of nature energy since in the real world

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, which would then leave him open to be finished off by Sasuke.

Look at how

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was affected by

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and look at how it was affected by Naruto's

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.

FRS clearly did more damage as it caused the Kyuubi to scream out in pain and left it some scars on its front. He screamed in pain from Rasengan but was completely fine afterward.

There's also the fact that that is simply DB hype with nothing behind it, especially when feats say otherwise.

Bold is completely wrong for so many reasons, one of them is explained below. It doesn't even make sense for it be in his arsenal for an instant since he only used it for an instant in the manga.

Also, Sasuke never combined enton with susanoo with MS, so he's not intercepting ransenshuriken with it. The only time he's done this was, again, final susanoo, which is useless since it only lasted for an instant.

Wrong on both accounts here.

-Final Susanoo isn't useless. a VS Thread is clearly going to put him back at normal eyesight

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-He used

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twice. I just posted a

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of it. So yes he can intercept FRS with Enton.

Also, @ your Amaterasu point. Itachi spawned Amaterasu away from Sasuke and then used it to chase him. V2 Ay level speed is a necessity to evade it when the user tries to ignite you with it and not chase you with it.

 

[Avinash012]

Part 1
-Sasuke>Naruto from beginning to Gaara fight.
-Naruto>Sasuke from Gaara fight to VoTE.

-VoTE Base Sasuke>VoTE Base Naruto.
-VoTE KN0 Naruto>VoTE 2-Tomoe Sasuke.
-VoTE 3-Tomoe Sasuke>KN0 Naruto
-VoTE KN1 Naruto>VoTE 3-Tomoe Sasuke
-VoTE CS2 Sasuke>VoTE KN1 Naruto.

Part 2

Beginning of Shippuden Sasuke>Beginning of Shippuden Naruto.
Hebi Sasuke>FRS Naruto.
SM Naruto>Hebi Sasuke.
MS Sasuke>SM Naruto.
KCM Naruto>MS Sasuke.
EMS Sasuke>KCM Naruto
BM Naruto>EMS Sasuke.

Agreed with Everything ...I think SM > MS...!

MS Sasuke's time span of Susanoo < Time span if Naruto's SM and now Naruto has perfect SM with Ma & Pa

Naruto can dodge any attack of Sasuke due to Frog Kumit
Unexpected Food cast distroyer on Susanoo ..
Taijutsu GG
No hope of Genjutsu
Frog Song and
Frog Call

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No need to mention Ma & Pa highly skilled users of Wind and fire elements...!

 

[KidGamer65]

Agreed with Everything ...I think SM > MS...!

MS Sasuke's time span of Susanoo < Time span if Naruto's SM and now Naruto has perfect SM with Ma & Pa

Naruto can dodge any attack of Sasuke due to Frog Kumit
Unexpected Food cast distroyer on Susanoo ..
Taijutsu GG
No hope of Genjutsu
Frog Song and
Frog Call

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No need to mention Ma & Pa highly skilled users of Wind and fire elements...!

Naruto won't get to summon Ma and Pa. It took Jiraiya a whole chapter and he had to keep his hands clapped for the whole time. That means absolutely no jutsu during that time period. Result? Amaterasu one shots, and no he isn't evading it.

Naruto has 5 minutes of SM, Sasuke used Susanoo the whole summit.

Food Cart Destroyer isn't destroying Susanoo, not when it can block Kirin.

Taijutsu is pointless.

Genjutsu is useless.

Frog Song and Call are nonfactors as Naruto can't even get Ma and Pa onto the field for this match.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Except, we are talking about Itachi, not Sasuke. Not to mention the simple fact that V2 Susanoo was shown after Kirin gives a stronger implication to believe that V2 was used, not any other level. There is no basis for him using any other level at all.



Massive Rasengan is nowhere near the level of being able to carve away an entire Mountain. Naruto used Massive Rasengan against Madara's Ribcage Susanoo

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Rasengan's increase their power with size, nothing else. Jiraiya's use of the Massive Rasengan adds Nature Energy to Big Ball Rasengan to create Massive Rasengan (Also known as Ultra Big Ball Rasengan) Jiraiya's is the same size as the one Naruto used on Madara thus they are equal, so the end result? 1 gets tanked by Ribcage. Naruto's Barrage won't seriously harm a level 4 Susanoo at all.

Not only is it highly unlikely he can do this without using up a lot if not all of his Sage Chakra while not in his mind, which allowed him an continuous supply of nature energy since in the real world

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, which would then leave him open to be finished off by Sasuke.

Look at how

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was affected by

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and look at how it was affected by Naruto's

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.

FRS clearly did more damage as it caused the Kyuubi to scream out in pain and left it some scars on its front. He screamed in pain from Rasengan but was completely fine afterward.

There's also the fact that that is simply DB hype with nothing behind it, especially when feats say otherwise.

Bold is completely wrong for so many reasons, one of them is explained below. It doesn't even make sense for it be in his arsenal for an instant since he only used it for an instant in the manga.



Wrong on both accounts here.

-Final Susanoo isn't useless. a VS Thread is clearly going to put him back at normal eyesight

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.

-He used

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twice. I just posted a

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of it. So yes he can intercept FRS with Enton.

Also, @ your Amaterasu point. Itachi spawned Amaterasu away from Sasuke and then used it to chase him. V2 Ay level speed is a necessity to evade it when the user tries to ignite you with it and not chase you with it.

That was normal massive ransengan. And no, size isn't the only thing that indicates ransengan's power. It's made with sage chakra, which is stronger than normal chakra. The chakra itself is stronger. Another thing is the anime showed Madara punching away Naruto's ransengan, not tanking it. It didn't get to explode.

As for final susanoo, with your logic, Minato should be given KCM as alive, and Madara should be given wood style and rinnegan while alive.

Enton ribcage is different from using enton with a full susanoo. Clearly SM>Amaterasu since Zetsu said that SM Naruto> MS Sasuke with amaterasu.

 

[Avinash012]

V2 Ay level speed is a necessity to evade it when the user tries to ignite you with it and not chase you with it.

Nope Gaara's sand able to counter Ama and Madara easily dodged Gaara's sand , on the other hand a clone of Naruto is able to dodge Rikage's attack at point blank range and Rikage is one of the fastest ...Naruto being one of the best sensor is a big advantage for him......

 

[Ultimate Sage Naruto]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think most of your points are incorrect(minus summons).

Sasuke has been shown to use complete susanoo instantly. So that's likely what was used to stop Kirin. Now let's compare Kirin to Sage art: massive ransengan.

Kirin:

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It destroyed the hideout, which was essentially a small mountain(or it could be a full one, I don't know).


Massive ransengan: Naruto wikia says(with 3rd databook as a source) that Jiraya's sage art:massive ransengan was powerful enough, that if it exploded, it would easily carve away an entire mountain. This was Jiraya's with imperfect SM. Naruto's SM is significantly stronger than Jiraya's, so Naruto's Sage art:massive ransengan should be significantly stronger than Jiraya's. It's overkill to use it against a complete susanoo. If it doesn't destroy final susanoo(or V4 as you call it), it'll significantly damage it. Another thing to note is that Sasuke only maintained final susanoo with MS for an instant. We can't make this part of his arsenal.(you could, but you could only make it for an instant)


Also, Sasuke never combined enton with susanoo with MS, so he's not intercepting ransenshuriken with it. The only time he's done this was, again, final susanoo, which is useless since it only lasted for an instant.

This is for people in general now.


Sasuke's susanoo can't hit Naruto. Want proof? Here's what happened when Sasuke tried to grab Kabuto with susanoo.

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Naruto can most likely do the same if Sasuke tries to slash him.


Amaterasu won't work. Here's the reason. Sasuke managed to evade Amaterasu for a while with the curse mark.

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SM is significantly faster than curse mark. But it's definitely confirmed that Naruto can counter amaterasu with at least SM. Zetsu said SM Naruto was stronger than MS Sasuke when he gained amaterasu.

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This means that Amaterasu couldn't hit Naruto. Some might say that Zetsu made that assumption because of the 9 tails, but think about it. That makes him an even bigger target. It had to have been SM. That's why I think SM is on par, if not beating MS Sasuke.

Just sweet Agree 100% with you

And for OP : sasuke (ems cursemark) not happen

 

[Optimistic]

But what if we don't want to shower you with insults?

Then i won't give a phuck.

 

[GrayParadise]

Naruto always has, and always will be stronger.
The only reason Sasuke ever won was because Naruto was extremely nerfed.

 

[Optimistic]

Nope Gaara's sand able to counter Ama and Madara easily dodged Gaara's sand , on the other hand a clone of Naruto is able to dodge Rikage's attack at point blank range and Rikage is one of the fastest ...Naruto being one of the best sensor is a big advantage for him......

Makes me wonder how bad people are at reading manga.

 

[Avinash012]

Naruto won't get to summon Ma and Pa. It took Jiraiya a whole chapter and he had to keep his hands clapped for the whole time. That means absolutely no jutsu during that time period. Result? Amaterasu one shots, and no he isn't evading it.

Naruto has 5 minutes of SM, Sasuke used Susanoo the whole summit.

Food Cart Destroyer isn't destroying Susanoo, not when it can block Kirin.

Taijutsu is pointless.

Genjutsu is useless.

Frog Song and Call are nonfactors as Naruto can't even get Ma and Pa onto the field for this match.

1.That is the big dif b/w Jman and Naruto ..Jman needs to enter SM to summon them due to lack of enough chakra and it take alot of time for Jman to enter SM....

Unlike Jman Naruto enters SM in fraction of sec's as proved in case of Obito and Rikage so there is no probulem with that ...

I agree that FCD can't distroy Susanoo but it is hard for Sasuke to maintain Susanoo due to the weight of Toad...!

It is already proved in case of Danze that it is hard to maintain Susanoo while being attacked by Strong long range attack's and that Frog sone and Frog Call are Big advantage's for Naruto.....!

Makes me wonder how bad people are at reading manga.

U r post makes me wonder how bad Sasuke fanboys are at reading manga

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[KidGamer65]

That was normal massive ransengan. And no, size isn't the only thing that indicates ransengan's power. It's made with sage chakra, which is stronger than normal chakra. The chakra itself is stronger. Another thing is the anime showed Madara punching away Naruto's ransengan, not tanking it. It didn't get to explode

-Naruto's Massive Rasengan Barrage started as normal Rasengans. He added Nature Energy and what happened?

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Not to mention Jiraiya's technique is also used in Sage Mode thus being made from Senjutsu chakra, so if there is power difference, it isn't that large and wouldn't be a factor regardless. Naruto having a Perfect SM doesn't make his Senjutsu chakra more powerful than Jiraiya's own (Even if it does, it won't be significant enough to significantly damage a v4 Susanoo). It gives him Frog Kata, sensing abilities, and etc.

Why are you even using anime here? Manga doesn't show him punching it away and anime and manga like to show different things.

-Anime showed Obito warping away Fu without contact despite contact being needed.

-Anime showed Obito using Kamui with a 3-Tomoe Sharingan.

-Anime showed the Rasengan Madara punched away being sent flying along with the clone, no such thing occurred in the manga.

The best it did was to stun Kurama, FRS stunned and damaged it.

As for final susanoo, with your logic, Minato should be given KCM as alive, and Madara should be given wood style and rinnegan while alive.

Did Minato show KCM while alive? No. Did Madara show Mokuton while alive? No. (He showed Rinnegan btw) Did Sasuke show Final Susanoo? Yes he did. Not seeing how you are making sense here. The one and only reason he wasn't able to use it is cause he went blind. There is no other reason.

Enton ribcage is different from using enton with a full susanoo. Clearly SM>Amaterasu since Zetsu said that SM Naruto> MS Sasuke with amaterasu.

Um, no, its not. The only difference is the version of Susanoo its being used with. Enton Kagutsuchi is a completely separate technique from Susanoo and there is no reason why Sasuke can't use it for whatever form of Susanoo he wants to use it for.

Though it doesn't matter since his Final Susanoo holds an Amaterasu orb.

Except I never said that SM Naruto would die to Amaterasu, only if he decides to try and summon Ma and Pa and only if he runs out of SM.