[Theory] Rikudou Sennin's Pre-Juubi Jinchuuriki Powers

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

From the recent chapter, it has been confirmed that Obito, being the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, lost his Kamui Ability:

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It would seem that being the Juubi's Jinchuuriki has its drawbacks, you gain tremendous power in exchange for the loss of another great power. I think the same thing happened to Rikudou Sennin.

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The Uzumaki Clan has deep connections with the spirit world (eg. Shinigami) and like I said they are more "Priest-like" than "Shinobi-like" in all respects.

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The Uzumaki Mask Storage Temple was modeled after a Kagura Hall found in Shinto Shrines were priests perform Kagura: a type of religious dance.

Today, Shrines usually perform Kagura both for honoring the Kamis and for entertainment purposes:

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But the most ancient use of Kagura even before the establishment of modern-day Shintoism was Kamigakari or the possession of a medium by the spirit of the gods:

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I believe that Rikudou Sennin, being an Uzumaki and the originator of Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu, had the power to summon and assimilate in his own being the power of Kamis like the Shinigami(s) and other divinities making him god-like even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

But like priests from other religions (eg Catholic Exorcists) only a few priests are able to fully attune themselves with the spirits as their mediums (Yorimashi) Rikudou Sennin being the original contractor of these Kami spirits was probably the only one among his kindred who can fully assimilate the soul of these divinities enabling him to freely channel their vast powers.

The Shinigami(s) and other divinities come from the spirit world:

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The Juubi on the other hand is a Kunitsukami, or a deity native to the material plane:

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The fully transformed Juubi is most probably several times more powerful than what we see now (even inside a Jinchuuriki) Rikudou Sennin, being a human priest, would require the power of a god/gods in order to defeat a god: The Juubi.

So it is my hypothesis, that along with Senjutsu, Rikudou used Kamigakari to temporarily become god-like himself that's able to take on the Full-powered Juubi, once the Juubi has been weaken, he used Fuuinjutsu to seal it and become its Jinchuuriki.

But like Obito, Rikudou also lost the power of Kamigakari after becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, for having the Juubi inside him, he could no longer become the medium of the divinities he summoned when he fought Juubi.

 

[Asu Be]

yeahhh your back ! and good theory ,
how do you know the sage is an uzumaki ?

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Considering the Sage was capable of making the moon after he split from the Juubi along with the fact this was in his final days I highly doubt he needed any help.

 

[Fair Warning]

nice theory i guess.


still a theory tho

 

[Ridoku X]

Honestly sometimes I believe that Kishi doesn't even think as deep as some theories do. Nevertheless your theories are awesome as always so I'm not gonna argue with that because you're like my idol here *fanboying* :x3:

 

[kronoseth]

gosh i think you went too deep with this. and i dont understant why rikudo would need to become a medium for the 'divinities' after he had already dealt with the juubi?

 

[Narutohokage7]

Not seen you do a good thread for a while.

Great theory.

(I meant the top line as in not seen a thread from you in a while)

 

[Transcendence]

Considering the Sage was capable of making the moon after he split from the Juubi along with the fact this was in his final days I highly doubt he needed any help.

Exactly. If he had the ability to do so without the Juubi, needing the Rinnegan for the battle is highly illogical.

 

[Joon]

Would he not lose his life?

 

[Gerkak]

nice theory. Though I think the rikudo was god-like in power on his own. Obito probably can't use any eye techniques now because he can't control the juubi properly.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

just be patient until we see rikudos past.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Good Theory! =D Dumb question but do you think he probably summoned "Jashin" or whatever the god Hidan worships?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Considering the Sage was capable of making the moon after he split from the Juubi along with the fact this was in his final days I highly doubt he needed any help.

But that was with Chibaku Tensei, a Rinnegan Technique, and the Rinnegan came from the Juubi.

Rikudou was not born a god, he was a human priest.

Allow me to expound:


This is the Viz Translation of Tobi's statement regarding the Sage, the Juubi, the Bijuus and the Moon:

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1st: The Sage divided the Chakra of the Juubi into Nine Bijuus

2nd: The Chakraless Body of the Juubi was hurled into the Sky

3rd: The Sealing Stone became the Moon

4th: The Rinnegan's Chibaku Tensei created the Moon

5th: Darui questions how a human can accomplish such a feat

6th: Tobi replies that as Juubi's Jinchuuriki, Rikudou had advanced beyond the realm of humanity.

So base on the logic of the statements, it means that Rikudou kept a remainder power of the Juubi even without the Chakra of the Juubi (which became the Nine Bijuus), and that power was used to create the Moon even when he was no longer the Jinchuuriki, the Rinnegan created the Moon through Chibaku Tensei, ergo, the remainder power of the Juubi being referred to is the Rinnegan.

Conclusion: Rinnegan came from the Juubi.

 

[Silverblade]

This thread got me thinking what would of happened if Kakashi sent the Juubi to other dimension.. hm.

 

[Senju Bean]

As always, your Theory makes sense through excellent usage of evidence and Japanese mythology. However, I think it makes more sense for the Sage to deal with this on this own. I agree that he must have had the power to call other divinities to his aid, but I think the main cause of the Sage's victory is due to the Sage himself. If the imbalance in the world caused the Juubi's rage, then it's much more fitting for something from the real world to correct it, not some spirit(regardless of how godly) that's removed from the situation.

I personally think that nature itself is a semi-sentient spirit and that the Juubi is just a natural manifestation of it's hatred due to corruption of the world while the Sage was born as nature's means to restore balance to itself. As such, it would not be surprising that the Sage eventually mastered Sage Mode to a much higher degree than normally possible. In fact, I think Naruto will reach this level.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This thread got me thinking what would of happened if Kakashi sent the Juubi to other dimension.. hm.

It'll probably tear the dimensional fabric and escape

As always, your Theory makes sense through excellent usage of evidence and Japanese mythology. However, I think it makes more sense for the Sage to deal with this on this own. I agree that he must have had the power to call other divinities to his aid, but I think the main cause of the Sage's victory is due to the Sage himself. If the imbalance in the world caused the Juubi's rage, then it's much more fitting for something from the real world to correct it, not some spirit(regardless of how godly) that's removed from the situation.

I personally think that nature itself is a semi-sentient spirit and that the Juubi is just a natural manifestation of it's hatred due to corruption of the world while the Sage was born as nature's means to restore balance to itself. As such, it would not be surprising that the Sage eventually mastered Sage Mode to a much higher degree than normally possible. In fact, I think Naruto will reach this level.

The Sage was not born a god, he was a human priest. And like Naruto, they were humans who struggled against all trials.

 

[xcoyote]

Awesome theory as always.Good job

 

[Silverblade]

It'll probably tear the dimensional fabric and escape

Makes sense.

 

[Senju Bean]

The Sage was not born a god, he was a human priest. And like Naruto, they were humans who struggled against all trials.

I know that he's not a god. But you have to admit that his birth and the very fact that Naruto is the reincaration of the Sage means something. He may not have Nature's powers from the get-go. But he was destined to defeat the Juubi. Destined by what? That where nature comes in.

 

[Transcendence]

But that was with Chibaku Tensei, a Rinnegan Technique, and the Rinnegan came from the Juubi.

Rikudou was not born a god, he was a human priest.

Allow me to expound:


This is the Viz Translation of Tobi's statement regarding the Sage, the Juubi, the Bijuus and the Moon:

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1st: The Sage divided the Chakra of the Juubi into Nine Bijuus

2nd: The Chakraless Body of the Juubi was hurled into the Sky

3rd: The Sealing Stone became the Moon

4th: The Rinnegan's Chibaku Tensei created the Moon

5th: Darui questions how a human can accomplish such a feat

6th: Tobi replies that as Juubi's Jinchuuriki, Rikudou had advanced beyond the realm of humanity.

So base on the logic of the statements, it means that Rikudou kept a remainder power of the Juubi even without the Chakra of the Juubi (which became the Nine Bijuus), and that power was used to create the Moon even when he was no longer the Jinchuuriki, the Rinnegan created the Moon through Chibaku Tensei, ergo, the remainder power of the Juubi being referred to is the Rinnegan.

Conclusion: Rinnegan came from the Juubi.

That's the point. The sheer fact that he had the ability and or reserves to first split the Juubi AND THEN used Chibaku Tensei to create a cage of such mass is a testament to his powers Pre-Jinchuriki either way.