How would Jirayia kill Tsunade
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these tsuande threads about her against jiraiya is ridiclous.
Everyone seems to be thinking tsaude is faster than jiraiya because when hes in sage mode she wont be able to follow with him leaving her open to attacks.
And jiraiya's offensive and defensive techs arent something to laugh out when he was retaining a 4 tail fox mode.
Also for u guys forgot what jiriaya is capable just watch his fight with nagato and stop with these silly notions.
Also tsuade at the end of the day doesnt have any ranged jutsu at all, she just has taijutsu and if u think jiraiya wont be able to handle that you either a tsuade fangirl or simply misinformed.
Everyone seems to be thinking tsaude is faster than jiraiya because when hes in sage mode she wont be able to follow with him leaving her open to attacks.
And jiraiya's offensive and defensive techs arent something to laugh out when he was retaining a 4 tail fox mode.
Also for u guys forgot what jiriaya is capable just watch his fight with nagato and stop with these silly notions.
Also tsuade at the end of the day doesnt have any ranged jutsu at all, she just has taijutsu and if u think jiraiya wont be able to handle that you either a tsuade fangirl or simply misinformed.
Tsunade was known for her medical-nin capabilities, not fighting. The only thing she has going for her offensively is taijutsu (superhuman strength, cool).
But trying to say she can defeat Jiraiya is just pure stupidity. How is she going to beat Jiraiya? With a punch?
Seriously...re-read (or watch) Jiraiya's fights and then come here with a straight face and say Tsunade, a medical ninja, will beat the legendary Toad Sage.
But trying to say she can defeat Jiraiya is just pure stupidity. How is she going to beat Jiraiya? With a punch?
Seriously...re-read (or watch) Jiraiya's fights and then come here with a straight face and say Tsunade, a medical ninja, will beat the legendary Toad Sage.
Genjutsu and a well placed rasengan to the face and it's game over for Tsunade, rebirth or not.
Didn't Orochimaru once say something like each sannin cancels the other out? Meaning Oro can beat Jiraiya but loses to Tsunade while Tsunade would lose to Jiraiya. Something like that if I remember correct.
Didn't Orochimaru once say something like each sannin cancels the other out? Meaning Oro can beat Jiraiya but loses to Tsunade while Tsunade would lose to Jiraiya. Something like that if I remember correct.
Jirayia isn't a big deal not even against Pain. He only lasted so long because he wasn't on open grounds, he was fighting them 1 by 1 with sneak attacks. As soon as the 6 showed up and forced an all-out combat in open air, he lost immediately.
Jirayia wasn't capable of training a 4 tail Naruto, he almost died to him and he openly admited so. Orochimaru, in comparison, immediately knocked 4 tail Naruto out as soon as he got serious... and he was in an old weakened body, unable to use his arms as usual.
Tsunade however, could defeat Orochimaru in the same conditions as soon as she snapped out of her blood fear (remember Jirayia had just got his ass handed over by Orochimaru). She would have defeated Kabuto easily hadn't he exploited her massive weakness early on.
Again, I think realistically, the 3 Sannin rank as follows: Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jirayia, but plot-wise, it would rather be Jirayia > Tsunade, simply because according to Kishimoto's logic the females are always the weakest of their groups, excluding Temari's case.
I think it was already stated in the manga, that out of the three Legendary Sanin, Jiraiya is the strongest of them, while Tsunade is equal to Orochimaru.
Jiraiya couldn't bring back Orochimaru, when the latter first defected, only because he was holding back and Orochimaru admitted himself that Jiraiya was stronger than him.
Jiyraiya is the most versatile person out of the three. He has Sage mode, summons and collaboration jutsu with them, knows how most ninjutsu work and how to counter them. His taijutsu is better than Orochimaru's and almost equal to Tsunade's. Knows how to cancel most Genjutsu, large reserves of chakra, intelligence on a shinobi prodigy level, rivalling Orochimaru. Besides that, out of three, he is a seal master.
Tsunade has great strength and is physically most powerful out of the three and probably knows how to counter most ninjutsu. Along with her medical knowledge, she's a force to reckon with. But her chakra reserves aren't that great (compared to Jiraiya, who is stated to have enormous reserves on many occasions).
Orochimaru is the one, who is practically immortal. He can be defeated, but it's a pain in the ass to actually kill him. He's the smartest out of the three, knows the Genjutsu the best, but his chakra reserves and Taijutsu is the weakest.
If you're doubting that Jirayia is strongest out of Sanin... go read the databooks...
Tsunade - 35
Orochimaru - 35
Jirayia - 35.5
Jiraiya couldn't bring back Orochimaru, when the latter first defected, only because he was holding back and Orochimaru admitted himself that Jiraiya was stronger than him.
Jiyraiya is the most versatile person out of the three. He has Sage mode, summons and collaboration jutsu with them, knows how most ninjutsu work and how to counter them. His taijutsu is better than Orochimaru's and almost equal to Tsunade's. Knows how to cancel most Genjutsu, large reserves of chakra, intelligence on a shinobi prodigy level, rivalling Orochimaru. Besides that, out of three, he is a seal master.
Tsunade has great strength and is physically most powerful out of the three and probably knows how to counter most ninjutsu. Along with her medical knowledge, she's a force to reckon with. But her chakra reserves aren't that great (compared to Jiraiya, who is stated to have enormous reserves on many occasions).
Orochimaru is the one, who is practically immortal. He can be defeated, but it's a pain in the ass to actually kill him. He's the smartest out of the three, knows the Genjutsu the best, but his chakra reserves and Taijutsu is the weakest.
If you're doubting that Jirayia is strongest out of Sanin... go read the databooks...
Tsunade - 35
Orochimaru - 35
Jirayia - 35.5
No, Orochimaru is stronger than Jirayia, it's not debatable. Orochimaru solo'd Jirayia without his arms, and defeated 4 tail Kyuubi while Jirayia admited to have almost died to it.
Kishimoto can write all the bullshit he wants in the non-canon, fan service databooks. In the manga you and I read, it's fact that Orochimaru > Jirayia.
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Infinite? I don´t think Fukaku would pend on Jiraiya´s shoulder for more than 2 hours.... his is much of a limited SM.
I think Jiaraiya would have to seal her, plus I do feel though Tsunade´s a Senju, J dude has got more chakra than her, giving him the advantage
So, the databooks, who are written by the author of the manga, and serves as a proof for how techniques work, the categorization of jutsu etc. are bullshit in your opinion....
I'm sorry, but the stupidity of that is on a level that can't be comprehended.
Tell me... when did Orochimaru solo'd Jirayia without his arms?... oh, yeah, when Jirayia was heavily drugged and could barely mold any chakra... yes... that's a definitive proof of how 'awesome' Oro is.
I'm not saying that Jirayia is almighty, or so much stronger than the rest, but I'd say he's the strongest of the three... barely, but he is.
Oh, and btw: Jirayia almost died to 4tailed kyuubi.... almost (he didn't use Sage Mode, or didn't even fight 4tailed kyuubi, he was just trying to subdue it), while Orochimaru actually died in that fight (see the difference? Fight, f-i-g-h-t, oro fought 4tailed Kyuubi, while Jirayia didn't, if he did, I doubt he would be near death). He only survived because he can shed the dead body.
It's a survival jutsu, that doesn't make him stronger, just harder to kill... and that, is not the definition of stronger.
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Tsunades creation rebirth is overrated. People thinks it can regenerate anything, which she cannot. What she can do, however, is that she can re-create the cellular structure of organs. It doesn't seem like, she can regenerate entire limbs, as she needed to be put back to her torso by Katsuyu.
So if she cannot re-create limbs, you just gotta tear her apart. Jiraya probably knows all there is to know about her techniques. So he can easily find a strategy to take her down, say he uses that frog song from ma and pa to paralyze her. Then takes a sword and cuts her up. For instance, if he takes off her arms/hands, she cannot activate seal. Piece of cake. She will bleed to death. Game over.
So if she cannot re-create limbs, you just gotta tear her apart. Jiraya probably knows all there is to know about her techniques. So he can easily find a strategy to take her down, say he uses that frog song from ma and pa to paralyze her. Then takes a sword and cuts her up. For instance, if he takes off her arms/hands, she cannot activate seal. Piece of cake. She will bleed to death. Game over.
People should stop assume that because the three Sannin have the same "rank" (which isn't a rank as much as a designation) they are at the same level.
So if the question is : Could Jiraya, at his peak, defeat Tsunade, at her peak? I think the answer would be "yes". Still, this manga isn't like DBZ, there's a lot more to each fight than just "strength and intelligence". There's also luck, terrain, and a a diversity of other "settings".
Jiraya always seemed to be the strongest of the Sannin. The sheer diversity of his techniques and the adaptability he's shown throughout his fights way dominates Tsunade's. But then again, lately Tsunade has always been pitted against undefeatable opponents AND busy being the healer of the group, so it's a little unfair.
So yeah, I think Jiraya would defeat Tsunade, easily with Sage Mode, and maybe with a lot of difficulty without it.
That being said, he'd straight up never hit her. It's a shame he died before anything could happen between the two, but oh well, it's part of the drama.
So if the question is : Could Jiraya, at his peak, defeat Tsunade, at her peak? I think the answer would be "yes". Still, this manga isn't like DBZ, there's a lot more to each fight than just "strength and intelligence". There's also luck, terrain, and a a diversity of other "settings".
Jiraya always seemed to be the strongest of the Sannin. The sheer diversity of his techniques and the adaptability he's shown throughout his fights way dominates Tsunade's. But then again, lately Tsunade has always been pitted against undefeatable opponents AND busy being the healer of the group, so it's a little unfair.
So yeah, I think Jiraya would defeat Tsunade, easily with Sage Mode, and maybe with a lot of difficulty without it.
That being said, he'd straight up never hit her. It's a shame he died before anything could happen between the two, but oh well, it's part of the drama.