Shino Can Potentially Defeat Sasori !

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No i read it all :(

It is just that i think Sasori won't let himself get easily overwhelmed...that's it really.
I would not argue over these characters really; since i don't have that much of knowledge on them.


Why? Sasori does not have Katsuyu.

Oh my god haha.
 

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Don't be so butthurt because a SLUG solos your fav characters.

-I don't get butthurt because something solos my faves; since i don't like my faves based on power levels; rather for things called "characterization", "development", "personality". Not whether they can tank a bijuudama or bust a mountain.

-Slug can solo; but the summoner might not; that's the difference.
 

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lol..... Iron Sand World! Unleashed!
 

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Good thread bro but I disagree for obvious reasons.

Everybody disagrees for obvious reasons; yet I haven't seen a single counter which shouldn't be too hard to conjure up considering the reasons are obvious.

Shino lost to a a less skilled Puppet Master


Shino would have died by poision if his father hadn't come
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He gave a good fight but his insects didn't kill Kankuro he was up and about a later down the line Kankuro couldnt even beat a hiruko who knows about puppets and all.
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Actually, you might of just indirectly proved that Shinos bugs are immune to poison if I can somehow prove they are the same. And that was part one. Part two Shino mastered his hinjutsu according to the DB. And Kankuro was fighting with puppets that were made by Sasori! He knew every trick to them.


No i read it all :(

It is just that i think Sasori won't let himself get easily overwhelmed...that's it really.
I would not argue over these characters really; since i don't have that much of knowledge on them.


Why? Sasori does not have Katsuyu.

But that is exactly Shinos fighting style; immediately overwhelming the opponent. And Hiruko is horribly equipted to combat Shino.

Nicely plaid lol xd

lol..... Iron Sand World! Unleashed!

Read.
 

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Everybody disagrees for obvious reasons; yet I haven't seen a single counter which shouldn't be too hard to conjure up considering the reasons are obvious.



Actually, you might of just indirectly proved that Shinos bugs are immune to poison if I can somehow prove they are the same. And that was part one. Part two Shino mastered his hinjutsu according to the DB. And Kankuro was fighting with puppets that were made by Sasori! He knew every trick to them.

Yeah the bugs mite be immune to poison that doesn't mean Shino is? So your saying Shino has better mastery of Ninjutsu then Sasori? Sasori Ninjutsu surpassess Shino beats it by a landSlide .
 

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Yeah the bugs mite be immune to poison that doesn't mean Shino is? So your saying Shino has better mastery of Ninjutsu then Sasori? Sasori Ninjutsu surpassess Shino beats it by a landSlide .

How exactly is Shino going to get poisoned? He is able to command and control his bugs from a considerable distance now. Furthermore, the only way we've seen Sasori utilizing poison gas, is with the 3rd Kazekage Puppet. If you read my thread, you'd know why that wouldn't work. And no, not ninjutsu, hijutsu. Which are secret techniques lead down by generation. Shino has perfected his hijutsu since his fight with Kankuro.

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How exactly is Shino going to get poisoned? He is able to command and control his bugs from a considerable distance now. Furthermore, the only way we've seen Sasori utilizing poison gas, is with the 3rd Kazekage Puppet. If you read my thread, you'd know why that wouldn't work. And no, not ninjutsu, hijutsu. Which are secret techniques lead down by generation. Shino has perfected his hijutsu since his fight with Kankuro.

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So your saying Sasori with a speed of 4.5 can reach Shino who has a 3 ? Sasori attack would be difficult for shino to dodge, Puppet users are long range fighters he's not reaching in he's going for long range shot. Sakura who had a 3 in speed needed chiyo help dodging just kunai's and Senbon.


There was already a time that Sasori already caught a Aburame with a chakra string even when all the bugs were around he's way Quicker the Kankuro.

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Very well-done. Shino can beat Sasori. I still think Sasori is a better-rounded ninja and more powerful overall, but Shino can still beat him! ^.^ Very underrated, Shino and the Aburame Clan..
 

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So your saying Sasori with a speed of 4.5 can reach Shino who has a 3 ? Sasori attack would be difficult for shino to dodge, Puppet users are long range fighters he's not reaching in he's going for long range shot. Sakura who had a 3 in speed needed chiyo help dodging just kunai's and Senbon.


There was already a time that Sasori already caught a Aburame with a chakra string even when all the bugs were around he's way Quicker the Kankuro.

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It would be very much appreciated if you actually took the time in reading and understanding the thread. As I feel like I'm repeating stuff which was already covered within the OP. Shinos speed isn't what's in question here; his insects are. They are capable of traveling in a considerably fast speed [ ] and quickly spread to overwhelm the opponent [ ] which Kakashi stated is impossible to avoid! The bugs will then eat Sasoris chakra strings, not allowing him to use any of his puppets and swarm in on him, jamming his, and restricting him of all his movements! Basically these bugs are his worst enemy. Sasori isn't touching Shino until he gets passed the bugs, which he can't even do! Certainly not within Hiruko. On top of all that, Shino likes to incorporate clone feints, which will surely give Sasori trouble.

And the only reason why Sasori caught the Aburame Clan member, is because he was previously weakened by Deidaras clay bomb and couldn't resist Sasori controlling him.

Very well-done. Shino can beat Sasori. I still think Sasori is a better-rounded ninja and more powerful overall, but Shino can still beat him! ^.^ Very underrated, Shino and the Aburame Clan..

Precisely! Thank you for taking the time in reading and comprehending. I'm not saying Shino is superior, at all. It's simply a bad match-up for Sasori, but people just don't seem to understand this. And yes, they're terribly underrated!
 

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It would be very much appreciated if you actually took the time in reading and understanding the thread. As I feel like I'm repeating stuff which was already covered within the OP. Shinos speed isn't what's in question here; his insects are. They are capable of traveling in a considerably fast speed [ ] and quickly spread to overwhelm the opponent [ ] which Kakashi stated is impossible to avoid! The bugs will then eat Sasoris chakra strings, not allowing him to use any of his puppets and swarm in on him, jamming his, and restricting him of all his movements! Basically these bugs are his worst enemy. Sasori isn't touching Shino until he gets passed the bugs, which he can't even do! Certainly not within Hiruko. On top of all that, Shino likes to incorporate clone feints, which will surely give Sasori trouble.

And the only reason why Sasori caught the Aburame Clan member, is because he was previously weakened by Deidaras clay bomb and couldn't resist Sasori controlling him.



Precisely! Thank you for taking the time in reading and comprehending. I'm not saying Shino is superior, at all. It's simply a bad match-up for Sasori, but people just don't seem to understand this. And yes, they're terribly underrated!

Trust me I'm ready the bugs aren't fast they just come at you from all direction make it difficult to dodge there's a difference.

The 3rd Kakzekage puppet was able to Move under the weight of Iron Sand is the weight of insects going to do that even if they get into joints or even Sasori's? The puppet was able to move at speed were Sakura was able to dodge them.

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Human Puppets have way more strength then regular puppet, The bugs follow commands they aren't like Manipulated to the fullest extent he could call upon there help if needed even if you can't move your body or not.
 

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To start things off, Shino has already fought with a proficient puppeteer; that being Kankuro. So with this prior battle experience with said fighting style, It's safe to say that Shino understands to expect the unexpected while combating with a puppet user, given he is a analytical and tactical genius. Upon realizing his opponent is a puppet user, Shino should automatically assume that his opponent will be incorporating poison in his arsenal, and be wary of this possibility; seeing as this is something he faced while combating Kankuro [ ]-[ ]
Not to mention, Shino never underestimates his opponents, he fights all out no matter what! [ ]




*hand rubs*
So let's get started..


If you are going by that logic, which absolute and obviously makes sense, how does Shino's experience with Kankuro help him against someone with , who much smarter, and way out of Kankuro's suppose to help him against Sasori?

Even Kunkuro failed to see the puppeteer's !

To be honest you would get a better debatable argument with rematch of Kunkuro and Shino since they both tied each other, both have greatly improved, and by manga knowledge both knows their do's and don'ts.



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Dealing with the only problem at hand; that being Hiruko. It seems the only means of getting past the stationary turtle shell of a puppet, is by destroying it via brute strength. And Shino has no way of destroying Hiruko, which is true. However, he doesn't necessarily need to. Shino is able to deploy his bugs within seconds [ ] Which are able to swiftly spread around the opponent;

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Once the bugs are spread around Hiruko, it is simply impossible to avoid! Which is even noted by Kakashi. From there, Shino can use his which'll, within seconds, swarm the stationary Hiruko and cover it completely [ ]-[ ] in turn, the Insect Sphere (Hijutsu: Mushidama), will allow the bugs to get between Hiruko's joints [ ] stopping all it's movements. Being restricted of all movements, the puppet is a mere sitting duck, with Sasori laying inside. Now, given the fact that the insects sense chakra [ ] Which is also confirmed to be the case within the Databook [ ] they will sense the chakra within Hiruko (that being Sasori); easily and go straight for Sasori, resulting in his chakra being drained. From this point on, it won't be long until Sasori notices his chakra is being drained and decides to eject out of Hiruko. Also, even if Hiruko ever manages to fire off his senbon barrages, it would easily be avoided via Insect clone feints [ - ]-[ - ] (Assuming the location isn't a barren wasteland and there are rocks, trees, and other objects present)

Once Sasori is forced to , the bugs will simply follow his movements.. not letting him escape!

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So your whole argument is to assume the location given. Since Hiruko lacks feats, that shows only useful in OPEN AREAS, everything vary in Shino's victory.

If by feats that Hiruko fights in a non-open field what is stopping Sasori from using something that is useful in the location situation.

Now with an open field:

-All your arguments ignores how Shino even escapes Hiruko's attacks. You expect Shino to do all this without Hiruko attacking back. We have seen Shino having trouble fighting against Kunkuro. One time Kunkuro Dokujikomi was able to throw off Shino off . And almost killed him if the bugs didn't make it .

Shino will not comprehend Sasori's/Hiruko specific , which he was caught by Kunkuro, which Sasori is leagues above.

As we all may know, it takes Sasori time to get out his puppets [ - ] time he simply does not have. Even if he manages to accomplish this, the bugs, which are already swarming Sasori, will simply rendering all puppeteering useless, which makes this entire process futile for Sasori. As a last resort (the only thing Sasori has left) he will have to resort in using himself. However, unfortunately for him, turning himself into a human puppet will be his downfall in this particular fight. As it leaves him susceptible of getting his by the insects. Without being able to properly function, he is finished. No flamethrower, no razor sharp propellers, no nothing. The destruction insects will fully envelope Sasori in no time, progressively absorbing him of all his chakra until it's all gone. No chakra=death.

And now your relying on manga panel time to get your point across? Come on man, you need to know the difference between when the reader/audience needs to understand something or when actual speed is in play. The scans you post was showing suspense to the readers while explaining in detail of what Sasori is about to demonstrate. This has nothing to do with the speed-time-process that it will take to summon.

Then you ignored this scan, concerning "removing the chakra string to make puppeteers useless":

Sorry man but you are trying to hard to argue that Shino successfully pulls everything faster then Sasori before Sasori "can do anything". This is a waste of a discussion if the whole argument is presented to be this way.
 

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If you are going by that logic, which absolute and obviously makes sense, how does Shino's experience with Kankuro help him against someone with , who much smarter, and way out of Kankuro's suppose to help him against Sasori?

Even Kunkuro failed to see the puppeteer's !

To be honest you would get a better debatable argument with rematch of Kunkuro and Shino since they both tied each other, both have greatly improved, and by manga knowledge both knows their do's and don'ts.

Do me a favor, and re-read my opening paragraph, because the question you just asked has already been answered within it. It seems you're under the impression that I meant Shino will see through all of Hirukos tactics, which is not the case. All I've concluded with this, is Shino will be on his toes and taking extreme precaution while combating Sasori; given his prior battle with a puppeteer. While taking this into consideration, as well as his ability to fully analyze things in the midst of battle and fighting style of keeping his distance from the enemy, you cannot deny the fact that Shino is very suitable in dealing with this type of opponent without much prior knowledge. That is all.

Regarding your scans concerning Hiruko having different tactics then Kankuro, in which he showcased his tail catching Crow; This barely holds any weight. Sasori is the of all 3 Kankuros puppets. Thus, he knows of all their tricks and weaknesses. So, it wasn't much of a fight when Sasori had nearly full knowledge while Kankuro had none.

And I don't see how this can be, when nobody has yet to supply an efficient counter, including yourself.


So your whole argument is to assume the location given. Since Hiruko lacks feats, that shows only useful in OPEN AREAS, everything vary in Shino's victory.

If by feats that Hiruko fights in a non-open field what is stopping Sasori from using something that is useful in the location situation.

Now with an open field:

-All your arguments ignores how Shino even escapes Hiruko's attacks. You expect Shino to do all this without Hiruko attacking back. We have seen Shino having trouble fighting against Kunkuro. One time Kunkuro Dokujikomi was able to throw off Shino off . And almost killed him if the bugs didn't make it .

Shino will not comprehend Sasori's/Hiruko specific , which he was caught by Kunkuro, which Sasori is leagues above.

You're mistaken again. This isn't an "Establishing Why Shino>Sasori" thread nor is it Vs thread with a set location and starting distance. It is a thread explaining why Shino has the potential in defeating the likes of Sasori, who is obviously overall stronger then him. It's all about match-ups, and Shinos fighting style counters Sasoris perfectly. And while it is true, the only feats given to Hiruko are only useful in open areas, it does not mean he wouldn't/hasn't approached his opponents in areas with cover before [ ]-[ ] (as where the majority of battle locations take place)

Given the fact he generally likes to underestimate his opponents and not show his arsenal unless it's completely necessary, it's not very likely. But if he decides to eject out of Hiruko and use another puppet, it makes absolutely no difference whats so ever.

It seems to me that you are incapable of defending Sasori in a non-open field, which is rather disappointing, since this "isn't really a debatable fight". Not even mentioning the fact that 95% of battle locations that have taken place in Naruto aren't wide-open areas with absolutely no type of cover. Nevertheless, I don't have any problems abiding to your unlikely set scenario, as Shino has ways of dealing with even a location disadvantage ON TOP OF fighting a much stronger opponent which apparently stomps... yet, oddly enough, needs the location set dead to his advantage.

In an open field; I don't see why wouldn't a condensed shield made out of his insects wouldn't suffice. His mastery with hijitsu has molded him into more of a medium-long range fighter, rather then a close-medium range fighter back in part one. With that being said, if he keeps his distance, it'll be much easier to analyze Hirukos attack and defend accordingly. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with the insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Sasori, by means I have already stated within the OP.

You keep on comparing part one Shino with part one Kankuro then with Sasori, without taking into consideration that Shino is leagues above his younger self. He is hyped up to be one of the best analytical characters in this manga, which you continue to discredit him for. Sakura, who has no such hype, was able to pick up on Sasor's attack patterns [ ] from point blank range! Imagine Shino with much more distance and time to analyze and react.


And now your relying on manga panel time to get your point across? Come on man, you need to know the difference between when the reader/audience needs to understand something or when actual speed is in play. The scans you post was showing suspense to the readers while explaining in detail of what Sasori is about to demonstrate. This has nothing to do with the speed-time-process that it will take to summon.

Then you ignored this scan, concerning "removing the chakra string to make puppeteers useless":

Sorry man but you are trying to hard to argue that Shino successfully pulls everything faster then Sasori before Sasori "can do anything". This is a waste of a discussion if the whole argument is presented to be this way.

Your stating the obvious, while failing to realize Sasori simply doesn't have the time to summon his puppet and attack before Shinos destruction bugs either A) Jam the puppets and Sasoris joints, B) Eat the chakra string, or C) both.

Sorry I didn't address a scan that means nothing, nor changes nothing. Shino was one step ahead of Kankuro the entire time.. [ ] And I suppose by me supplying manga proof throughout the thread, showcasing the insects speed in which they are able to travel and overwhelm the opponent, not allowing Sasori with anyway of escape, is me trying to hard. Why don't you try and prove why Shino wouldn't successfully pull this off, rather then shrug everything off, and instead resort in suggesting the fight has to take place where Sasori is most comfortable.
 

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I agree, Shino has the most potential in Konoha 11, besides the obvious ones. He's extremely underrated.
 

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Do me a favor, and re-read my opening paragraph, because the question you just asked has already been answered within it. It seems you're under the impression that I meant Shino will see through all of Hirukos tactics, which is not the case. All I've concluded with this, is Shino will be on his toes and taking extreme precaution while combating Sasori; given his prior battle with a puppeteer. While taking this into consideration, as well as his ability to fully analyze things in the midst of battle and fighting style of keeping his distance from the enemy, you cannot deny the fact that Shino is very suitable in dealing with this type of opponent without much prior knowledge. That is all.

Regarding your scans concerning Hiruko having different tactics then Kankuro, in which he showcased his tail catching Crow; This barely holds any weight. Sasori is the of all 3 Kankuros puppets. Thus, he knows of all their tricks and weaknesses. So, it wasn't much of a fight when Sasori had nearly full knowledge while Kankuro had none.

And I don't see how this can be, when nobody has yet to supply an efficient counter, including yourself.




You're mistaken again. This isn't an "Establishing Why Shino>Sasori" thread nor is it Vs thread with a set location and starting distance. It is a thread explaining why Shino has the potential in defeating the likes of Sasori, who is obviously overall stronger then him. It's all about match-ups, and Shinos fighting style counters Sasoris perfectly. And while it is true, the only feats given to Hiruko are only useful in open areas, it does not mean he wouldn't/hasn't approached his opponents in areas with cover before [ ]-[ ] (as where the majority of battle locations take place)

Given the fact he generally likes to underestimate his opponents and not show his arsenal unless it's completely necessary, it's not very likely. But if he decides to eject out of Hiruko and use another puppet, it makes absolutely no difference whats so ever.

It seems to me that you are incapable of defending Sasori in a non-open field, which is rather disappointing, since this "isn't really a debatable fight". Not even mentioning the fact that 95% of battle locations that have taken place in Naruto aren't wide-open areas with absolutely no type of cover. Nevertheless, I don't have any problems abiding to your unlikely set scenario, as Shino has ways of dealing with even a location disadvantage ON TOP OF fighting a much stronger opponent which apparently stomps... yet, oddly enough, needs the location set dead to his advantage.

In an open field; I don't see why wouldn't a condensed shield made out of his insects wouldn't suffice. His mastery with hijitsu has molded him into more of a medium-long range fighter, rather then a close-medium range fighter back in part one. With that being said, if he keeps his distance, it'll be much easier to analyze Hirukos attack and defend accordingly. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with the insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Sasori, by means I have already stated within the OP.

You keep on comparing part one Shino with part one Kankuro then with Sasori, without taking into consideration that Shino is leagues above his younger self. He is hyped up to be one of the best analytical characters in this manga, which you continue to discredit him for. Sakura, who has no such hype, was able to pick up on Sasor's attack patterns [ ] from point blank range! Imagine Shino with much more distance and time to analyze and react.




Your stating the obvious, while failing to realize Sasori simply doesn't have the time to summon his puppet and attack before Shinos destruction bugs either A) Jam the puppets and Sasoris joints, B) Eat the chakra string, or C) both.

Sorry I didn't address a scan that means nothing, nor changes nothing. Shino was one step ahead of Kankuro the entire time.. [ ] And I suppose by me supplying manga proof throughout the thread, showcasing the insects speed in which they are able to travel and overwhelm the opponent, not allowing Sasori with anyway of escape, is me trying to hard. Why don't you try and prove why Shino wouldn't successfully pull this off, rather then shrug everything off, and instead resort in suggesting the fight has to take place where Sasori is most comfortable.

Excuse as I misinterpret your thread wrong. I thought you linked me to a vs thread. If I need to cover anything concerning them in vs threads then I will address it.
 

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Excuse as I misinterpret your thread wrong. I thought you linked me to a vs thread. If I need to cover anything concerning them in vs threads then I will address it.

So then I assume you agree that Shino can potentially defeat Sasori..?
 

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So then I assume you agree that Shino can potentially defeat Sasori..?

Hiruko, potentially.

Concerning "After Hiruko" is still questionable. You have mention that the bugs would just detect Sasori's chakra and attack from there. There is a problem with that. Since we don't know how Hiruko is controlled (logically inner chakra strings?) it is safe to say that Sasori can still escape due to the "inconsistency" of detecting his chakra.

Sasori's body structure is not human. Human puppets are known to carry they their own .

Since they have their own "chakra " means it can be shut on and off.

With that said When Hiruko is in trouble and its time to eject Sasori can simply shut anything down so the bugs will not be able to trace him through chakra.
 

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He have a chance to deafeat him because his jutsus counters sasori .

But still sasori have much bigger chance of winning .

You mentioned things like "sasori underestimate his enemies " "he wont use this jutsu or that jutsu at the beginning of the fight" .

That all up to the scenario .

Sasori with his full potentials fought only once .
So we cant assume his fighting style .

Anyway good thread *_*
 

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Dont think so shino is that srong
 
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