[Question] Can some explain Juha Bach & Zangetsu?

[Pecnut]

Ok, I'm quite confused about the whole Bach being Zangetsu thing. I don't properly understand it so could someone explain to me what the hell was going on and why, in detail please. Also I've got these questions:

Was Bach pretending to be Zangetsu's Spirit fooling Ichigo all this time or was he really Zangetsu?

Is he a part of Zangetsu or is he Zangetsu as a whole or is he Zangetsu at all?

Was he actually on Ichigo's side or was he doing it for his own benefit?

Did he even care about Ichigo at all?

Does this mean that Ichigo has never actually known true Zangetsu?

What is his Ichigo's new Zanpaktou?

Cheers!

 

[Clouds]

everything was explained in the manga....

Was Bach pretending to be Zangetsu's Spirit fooling Ichigo all this time or was he really Zangetsu? he was fooling him

Is he a part of Zangetsu or is he Zangetsu as a whole or is he Zangetsu at all?He's not zangetsu at all

Was he actually on Ichigo's side or was he doing it for his own benefit? he did it for ichigo

Did he even care about Ichigo at all yes he did

Does this mean that Ichigo has never actually known true Zangetsu? nope

What is his new Zanpaktou? a double sword.

 

[ballerjordan]

Ywach is basically like the Juubi in Naruto.

Ywach is originator of all Quincy's, so all Quincy's have Ywach inside themselves. Zangetsu is the manifestation of Ichigo's Quincy powers, and like it's said that all Quincy's have some of Ywach inside themselves, Zangetsu is Ywach from 1000 years ago.

 

[Pecnut]

Ywach is basically like the Juubi in Naruto.

Ywach is originator of all Quincy's, so all Quincy's have Ywach inside themselves. Zangetsu is the manifestation of Ichigo's Quincy powers, and like it's said that all Quincy's have some of Ywach inside themselves, Zangetsu is Ywach from 1000 years ago.

I see, thanks for clarifying different people have been telling me different things but this seems makes to make the most sense. Cheers!

Got another question though... Does this mean it wasn't the real Bach himself? It was just a previous entity of Bach?

everything was explained in the manga....

Was Bach pretending to be Zangetsu's Spirit fooling Ichigo all this time or was he really Zangetsu? he was fooling him

Is he a part of Zangetsu or is he Zangetsu as a whole or is he Zangetsu at all?He's not zangetsu at all

Was he actually on Ichigo's side or was he doing it for his own benefit? he did it for ichigo

Did he even care about Ichigo at all yes he did

Does this mean that Ichigo has never actually known true Zangetsu? nope

What is his new Zanpaktou? a double sword.

Do you think I'd come here and just ask questions immediately without first trying to understand it for myself?

I think you've got the wrong interpretation as well...

 

[Clouds]

I see, thanks for clarifying different people have been telling me different things but this seems makes to make the most sense. Cheers!

Got another question though... Does this mean it wasn't the real Bach himself? It was just a previous entity of Bach?



Do you think I'd come here and just ask questions immediately without first trying to understand it for myself?

I think you've got the wrong interpretation as well...

Nah... im pretty sure im right on answering these qeustions. :l

but sure whatever u say. :l

 

[Pecnut]

Nah... im pretty sure im right on answering these qeustions. :l

but sure whatever u say. :l

Well you're telling me one thing and ballerjordan is telling me another thing.

You can't both be right.

 

[ballerjordan]

I see, thanks for clarifying different people have been telling me different things but this seems makes to make the most sense. Cheers!

Got another question though... Does this mean it wasn't the real Bach himself? It was just a previous entity of Bach?

It wasn't Bach at all. Fake Zangetsu said that he is not Bach, he is just the manifestation of his Quincy powers. He took on his appearance from 1000 years ago because it was said that Bach is inside every Quincy.

 

[ssiddiq78]

Bach is ichigo's quincy power taken the form of bach.
I think bach was on ichigos side he suppressed ichigos zanpakto may be because he didnt wanted ichigo to face real bach. at some point he changed and started helping ichigo.
Ichigo didnt know his true zanpakto is hollow inside him fused with shinigami powers untill nimaiya explained him.

 

[Clouds]

Well you're telling me one thing and ballerjordan is telling me another thing.

You can't both be right.

Well... we are explaining different matters. :l

he's talking about juha bach and what he is.

im talking about his feelings and the way he acts. :c

 

[Pecnut]

So if fake Zangetsu was Ichigo's quincy powers how come it behaved and manifested itself like a Zanpaktou with Shikai and Bankai?

 

[Narutoga]

Ichigo hollow is his zanpakuto, also zangetsu is his zanpakuto but was supressed by his quincy powers

 

[ballerjordan]

So if fake Zangetsu was Ichigo's quincy powers how come it behaved and manifested itself like a Zanpaktou with Shikai and Bankai?

Fake Zangetsu was suppressing Ichigo's real zanpaktou the whole time. During the time Ichigo acquired Bankai, fake Zangetsu was in control.

Remember when Ichigo confronted his hollow for the first time and said "Where's Zangetsu?", and his hollow responds by saying "I'm Zangetsu!".

Later, Zangetsu arrives and says that one power takes the edge sometimes, or vice verca. So that's why it was manifested like that, but once Ichigo realized that his true Zanpaktou is his Hollow, a new zanpaktou was forged. That's his new power up.

 

[Hori]

go back a few pages maybe 3rd or 4th I'm sure you'll find a thread that talks of that

 

[Cam]

I think a lot of people are confused here and are giving different answers. Let's go back to the beginning.

Ichigo's mother is Quincy + Hollow
Ichigo's father is Shinigami + Human

That makes Ichigo part Quincy, Hollow, Shinigami, Human

Because he is part Quincy he has a bit of Bach inside of him, Bach being the first Quincy shares his entity with all Quincy, therefore Zangetsu taking form of Bach, BUT NOT Bach.

Now other Quincy have a bit of Bach inside them as well, but they don't have an entity, so why does Ichigo? This is because, remember, Ichigo is also a Shinigami + Hallow.

So Zangetsu is part Shinigami (Ichigo's father), Part Quincy (His mother) and Part Hallow(Mother) as well. (Note the two forms)

Now the two forms, One being his Hollow side, the other being his Quincy side. Together they BOTH make up Zangetsu the Shinigami.

Quincy + Hallow = Zangetsu the Shinigami

That is why Ichigo says BOTH of you are Zangetsu and this is why he has two swords, one to represent his hollow powers the other to represent his quincy powers and together make up his shinigami powers being Zangetsu.

Zangetsu the Quincy side suppressed the Shinigami powers because he didn't want him to be shinigami, but rather Quincy. In the end he just excepted that they are all ONE.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Zangetsu is the manifestation of ichigo's quincie powers, and Hichigo is his Zanpakuto powers.
Zangetsu happent to take the form of Juha Bach from 1000 years ago.