Itachi defeated Kabuto

[KGB Kakuzu]

The only flaw in your analysis is this: the technique does not specify which sensations are required. As such simple blocks, counters, or even near misses would suffice as bodily sensations.

The point of Izanami is to replay a sequence of events, but that does not.mean that these events have to come from blows that land on Itachi. For further proof, how would Izanami be used in the past when non Edo's used them... Simple, by replaying a set of bodily sensations that don't involve getting kill shotted.


It is rational to say that Itachi may have decided that being hit was his method of sensation; however, he'd only have started st it after he was hit the first time.

And yet even with this claim, if you watch the replay of events, it does not include a vast majority of the moments in which Itachi was one shotted. They were instead moments of bodily sensations ON KABUTO (his horn)

Regardless there still exists two pivotal points where without Sasuke, Itachi loses.

1. Kabuto was over riding the talisman; however, Sasuke protects him.

2. Kabuto's sound genjutsu soundly eliminated Susanoo meaning Itachi loses it as well as the Yata mirror and Totsuka blade.


Additionally, Kabuto wasn't fighting with his army of Edos...he was literally fighting the world AND the Uchiha brothers.


Itachi was killed multiple times in this fight even if it was a ploy for Izanami. Without Sasuke, Kabuto would have erased Itachi's talisman directive..


And if anything...EDO ITACHI beat Kabuto. Regular Itachi would lack the stamina.

As a final note, don't use "they couldn't kill him" as an excuse. Kabuto using his Edo army only adds a layer of complexity for his enemies and is his own advantage that he himself set into motion. Which also proceeds to counter the argument that Itachi wasn't going all out. He was going all out under the confines of his opponent's power.



So with that in mind, I'd say the COMBINATION of Itachi and Sasuke defeated Kabuto.

 

[Itachi Uchiha Solo King]

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[JIRAIYA perv]

Lol why do you spam in your own thread? Enjoy your ban criminal scum

please, let's keep this nice and clean :yeah:

 

[Booker]

This is not your thread.

 

[Meee]

Nope

Edo Itachi & Sasuke defeated Kabuto

 

[The Necromancer]

I agree. Itachi took advantage of his edo tensei body (which he states multiple times) in order to gain the upper hand. We have no idea how the fight would play out without it, but his skills were barely utilized throughout the fight, so i doubt it would be much different.

As for the dual genjutsu moment, the fight was meant to portray the new uchiha team. The entirety of the battle shocased itachi's and sasuke's growing relationship, and thus their growing trust and teamwork with eachother. There's no reason they couldn't have broken out themselves, other than that it was a good moment for brothers to work in unison.

 

[The Sach]

is that the best argument you could come up with kid?

No,it's for the starters, I thought that was enough...
Now main course-
1. Your Izanami thing,

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manga scan clearly says that, in exchange of your eyesight.
2. Sasuke never helped Itachi, except genjutsu, then what is

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[Troyg39]

You were using logic until the very end. Dude it's EDO ITACHI. Alive Itachi couldn't even use Izanami in that manner because he wouldn't be able to take those hits. He got chopped in half for god's sake.

I get that it's pathetic to say Kabuto>Itachi when clearly Itachi getting hit was apart of his plan, but it's just as pathetic when you fanboys try and use feats that clearly only EDO Itachi can do and say Itachi>Kabuto

Kabuto stated in the very beginning of the fight that he was going after Sasuke first, so whether you like it or not, Sasuke played a factor. Honestly if you actually PAY ATTENTION to the ENTIRE arc, Sasuke did just as much fighting as Itachi did as most of Itachi's panel time was spent on tnj. And Kabuto wasn't trying to kill them either. He was trying to capture Sasuke and re-capture Itachi. It wasn't a fair fight. 2 vs 1, neither side was fighting to kill, and on top of the Itachi was Edo. This fight just can't be used as an indicator for who would win in a one on one fight. Your opinion is your opinion so stop with this age old debate already

 

[The Necromancer]

No,it's for the starters, I thought that was enough...
Now main course-
1. Your Izanami thing,

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manga scan clearly says that, in exchange of your eyesight.
2. Sasuke never helped Itachi, except genjutsu, then what is

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That's itachi saving sasuke...

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I agree. Itachi took advantage of his edo tensei body (which he states multiple times) in order to gain the upper hand. We have no idea how the fight would play out without it, but his skills were barely utilized throughout the fight, so i doubt it would be much different.

As for the dual genjutsu moment, the fight was meant to portray the new uchiha team. The entirety of the battle shocased itachi's and sasuke's growing relationship, and thus their growing trust and teamwork with eachother. There's no reason they couldn't have broken out themselves, other than that it was a good moment for brothers to work in unison.

I agree with the first portion. Obviously Itachi used his immortality as an advantage, and with Sasuke they used it to win; however, I will disagree with the second part. The Sharingan trumps over the users of ocular Dojutsu such as the sharingan itself, and even Kurenai's which manipulated sight; however, Kabuto used a sound genjutsu that afflicted their ability to perform Susanoo from what I recall. As such, they would have needed either someone to direct chakra to constantly disrupt his sound, or like they did cast genjutsu on each other to escape it.

While yes it showed their teamwork, I would not say that they automatically escape without help.



Edit: While I would say it isn't impossible, regardless escaping on their own would have taken time which against that Kabuto would have brought them closer to defeat than victory.

 

[The Necromancer]

I agree with the first portion. Obviously Itachi used his immortality as an advantage, and with Sasuke they used it to win; however, I will disagree with the second part. The Sharingan trumps over the users of ocular Dojutsu such as the sharingan itself, and even Kurenai's which manipulated sight; however, Kabuto used a sound genjutsu that afflicted their ability to perform Susanoo from what I recall. As such, they would have needed either someone to direct chakra to constantly disrupt his sound, or like they did cast genjutsu on each other to escape it.

While yes it showed their teamwork, I would not say that they automatically escape without help.

While that is true, Shikamaru broke through the same genjutsu with a simple broken finger. Itachi and Sasuke were both shown with the ability to turn their heads and activate their genjutsu, indicating at least minor motor function. There's no reason they couldn't have broken it with simple pain such as breaking a finger or stabbing their leg, both of which have been proven to disrupt genjutsu in the past.

 

[PureSkillz]

Lol I don't understand the purpose of this thread.. Kabuto could have re-summoned Madara and then GG if you wanna be hypothetical..

But for plot purposes, he didn't.
The same way Itachi couldn't kill Kabuto..
The same way Kabuto couldn't kill the Uchiha brothers..

In a non plot influenced battle, SM Kabuto wins..

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

While that is true, Shikamaru broke through the same genjutsu with a simple broken finger. Itachi and Sasuke were both shown with the ability to turn their heads and activate their genjutsu, indicating at least minor motor function. There's no reason they couldn't have broken it with simple pain such as breaking a finger or stabbing their leg, both of which have been proven to disrupt genjutsu in the past.

This is a good point, but taking action such as breaking a limb or leg would be a very poor choice. It's also plausible to assume Kabuto uses it at either a more potent level, or a lower level to restrict only desired abilities.

But like you said its possible it could have been broken, but pending the methodology...could further hinder themselves.



....I miss having interesting conversation such as this here.

 

[Troyg39]

While that is true, Shikamaru broke through the same genjutsu with a simple broken finger. Itachi and Sasuke were both shown with the ability to turn their heads and activate their genjutsu, indicating at least minor motor function. There's no reason they couldn't have broken it with simple pain such as breaking a finger or stabbing their leg, both of which have been proven to disrupt genjutsu in the past.

Sorry to jump in but

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They were already looking at one another when they were caught in the genjutsu. They never turn their heads. They do shift their eyes a bit to look towards Kabuto at one point, but no significant head movement is ever made, or any significant movement that suggests they would've been able to self inflict pain on themselves. They remain almost totally still except for the slight eye movement

This is why I say this fight shouldn't be used to compare Kabuto and Itachi.

 

[The Necromancer]

Sorry to jump in but

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They were already looking at one another when they were caught in the genjutsu. They never turn their heads. They do shift their eyes a bit to look towards Kabuto at one point, but no significant head movement is ever made, or any significant movement that suggests they would've been able to self inflict pain on themselves. They remain almost totally still except for the slight eye movement

This is why I say this fight shouldn't be used to compare Kabuto and Itachi.

Good. Very good. However i stand by my point that they were able to use techniques, with sasuke even deactivating, and reactivating his sharingan, so it should be within the realm of possibility that movement was slightly possible. They even had the ability to fluidly speak, biting one's lip or tongue has the same effect as those i mentioned earlier, evidenced by kurenai and Kisame.

 

[Avinash012]

Nope Itachi never defeated Kabuto and he can't beat him and is cmng from a huge Itachi fan ..It maybe hard to admit it but we can't change the fact by usng fanboy logic's ......

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

only Kabuto fanboys cannot accept Itachi's victory
he didn't even use amaterasu, his complete susanoo or the Totsuka ****in' blade and still won

 

[thatgirl]

only Kabuto fanboys cannot accept Itachi's victory
he didn't even use amaterasu, his complete susanoo or the Totsuka ****in' blade and still won

because amaterasu will work when kabuto is a sensor and has oral rebirth
because totsuka will work when kabuto dodged susanoo arrow

Zzz

 

[Klaroline]

Nope

Edo Itachi & Sasuke defeated Kabuto

This. If Itachi tried to take on DSM Kabuto by himself he would be defeated with low difficulty.

 

[Murasame]

I agree. Itachi took advantage of his edo tensei body (which he states multiple times) in order to gain the upper hand. We have no idea how the fight would play out without it, but his skills were barely utilized throughout the fight, so i doubt it would be much different.

As for the dual genjutsu moment, the fight was meant to portray the new uchiha team. The entirety of the battle shocased itachi's and sasuke's growing relationship, and thus their growing trust and teamwork with eachother. There's no reason they couldn't have broken out themselves, other than that it was a good moment for brothers to work in unison.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Itachi have a gennjutsu that doesn't require eye contact? If so then they held him back in this fight..