itachi versus sound 5

[TheEvilOne]

Sound 5 win with those restrictions. x




Clearly he was only talking about Kimi...

Uh, my bad.
Anyways, with the sharingan precognition Itachi's taijutsu is better.

 

[Black Wolf]

Lol, what?! They all have 2, 5- 4 points in taijutsu, except Kimi who has 4, 5.

I was clearly talking about Kimimaro, thus the indestructible body part. False. Kimimaro has a 5 in Taijutsu.

@Black Wolf
even tough they can put some resistance as a group due curse mark, they find out quite fast not to be near itachi.. they are still humans and kunai to head kill them

Kimimaro is only half a tier slower than Itachi, so Itachi won't be running circles around him as easily as you are implying when he has four other teammates to serve as sacrificial distractions. Kimimaro is also half a tier above Itachi in Taijutsu, which helps in making up for the marginal speed gap.

Kimimaro is not going to die from a kunai to the head when he took mineral enhanced sand burials, which normally cause the human body to turn into a pile of blood, with little to no damage. Without the Mangekyo, Itachi lacks the techniques necessary to bypass Kimimaro's top tier durability.

Nothing short of top tier piercing / cutting techniques will be doing anything to Kimimaro. That, or techniques that bypass durability altogether (like Amaterasu and Kamui).

 

[Curse Mark]

I was clearly talking about Kimimaro, thus the indestructible body part. False. Kimimaro has a 5 in Taijutsu.



Kimimaro is only half a tier slower than Itachi, so Itachi won't be running circles around him as easily as you are implying when he has four other teammates to serve as sacrificial distractions. Kimimaro is also half a tier above Itachi in Taijutsu, which helps in making up for the marginal speed gap.

Kimimaro is not going to die from a kunai to the head when he took mineral enhanced sand burials, which normally cause the human body to turn into a pile of blood, with little to no damage. Without the Mangekyo, Itachi lacks the techniques necessary to bypass Kimimaro's top tier durability.

Nothing short of top tier piercing / cutting techniques will be doing anything to Kimimaro. That, or techniques that bypass durability altogether (like Amaterasu and Kamui).

Are you implying Kimimaro could solo this?

O:

 

[Miley]

sound 5 rapes

 

[Black Wolf]

Are you implying Kimimaro could solo this?

Sure, assuming he isn't sick. With these restrictions, all Itachi has is Katons and Taijutsu. Katons are easily dodged, and even if they do somehow hit Kimimaro, he can easily regenerate from any damage he sustains (assuming it bypasses his durability). Taijutsu would be suicide when Kimimaro can unexpectedly grow bones from anywhere in his body. The only advantage Itachi has over Kimimaro is speed, and the gap isn't enough for Itachi to avoid him indefinitely. A slight speed gap and Sharingan precognition does not trump superior Taijutsu skill, an indestructible body, and regeneration.

I see nothing wrong with Kimimaro, whom I consider Kage-level, beating a heavily restricted base Itachi.

 

[Curse Mark]

Sure, assuming he isn't sick. With these restrictions, all Itachi has is Katons and Taijutsu. Katons are easily dodged, and even if they do somehow hit Kimimaro, he can easily regenerate from any damage he sustains (assuming it bypasses his durability). Taijutsu would be suicide when Kimimaro can unexpectedly grow bones from anywhere in his body. The only advantage Itachi has over Kimimaro is speed, and the gap isn't enough for Itachi to avoid him indefinitely.

I see nothing wrong with Kimimaro, whom I consider Kage-level, beating a heavily restricted base Itachi.

I agree with the first sentence. I feel like the Katons will definitely get past his durability which, granted is extremely high. But even Asuma's ash jutsu only gave like 3rd degree burns, Itachi's in theory should do much worse.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I was clearly talking about Kimimaro, thus the indestructible body part. False. Kimimaro has a 5 in Taijutsu.



Kimimaro is only half a tier slower than Itachi, so Itachi won't be running circles around him as easily as you are implying when he has four other teammates to serve as sacrificial distractions. Kimimaro is also half a tier above Itachi in Taijutsu, which helps in making up for the marginal speed gap.

Kimimaro is not going to die from a kunai to the head when he took mineral enhanced sand burials, which normally cause the human body to turn into a pile of blood, with little to no damage. Without the Mangekyo, Itachi lacks the techniques necessary to bypass Kimimaro's top tier durability.

Nothing short of top tier piercing / cutting techniques will be doing anything to Kimimaro. That, or techniques that bypass durability altogether (like Amaterasu and Kamui).

Kimimaro is half a tier slower than itachi, then you factor in sharingan precognition and effortless shadow clones and you realise even kimimaro is completely out of his league.

Kurenai is 4 in taijutsu and speed, and is a konoha high ranked jounin, yet itachi completely disgraced her without dirting his robe.

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Not even kakashi was good enough to keep up with itachi. Even if kimimaro has his indestructible body and healing, there's no way he'd ever be able to touch itachi through bushin feints and high speed movement. Infact, kimimaro will be ragdolled the entire fight by shurikens and kunai's. Sure, without MS, i can't think of how itachi is putting him down, but on the same hand, i can't think of how kimimaro is landing even a single hit. With his katons, itachi has a means to injure kimimaro time and time again through the searing pain and heat. Kimimaro would die of chakra depletion/sickness within a short span and itachi walks away.

Giving itachi any MS move, or even just the simple ability to use genjutsu turns it into a low diff fight against kimimaro. Kimamaro is only pushing itachi because we haven't seen any canonical killing jutsu from itachi.

Taijutsu would be suicide when Kimimaro can unexpectedly grow bones from anywhere in his body. The only advantage Itachi has over Kimimaro is speed, and the gap isn't enough for Itachi to avoid him indefinitely.

You underestimate sharingan pre-cog. It doesn't matter if he can pop bones from anywhere, unless he fights like a walking spike pit, this ability is useless. Gaara tried to impale, a much slower and much shittier at taijutsu, sasuke but failed due to sharingan pre-cog allowing sasuke to move himself perfectly to completely evade that form of counter.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kimimaro is half a tier slower than itachi, then you factor in sharingan precognition and effortless shadow clones and you realise even kimimaro is completely out of his league.

Kimimaro is half a tier better than Itachi at Taijutsu, then you have to factor in an unpredictable fighting style, regeneration, and top tier durability. Kimimaro is nowhere near out of his league with these restrictions.

Kurenai is 4 in taijutsu and speed, and is a konoha high ranked jounin, yet itachi completely disgraced her without dirting his robe.

She actually reacted to both of his attacks. She ducked his kunai swing and managed to block his kick. Regardless, Kimimaro is superior to Kurenai in both speed and Taijutsu, so the comparison isn't valid to begin with. She is a "high ranked Jonin" that specializes in Genjutsu, not CQC.

Not even kakashi was good enough to keep up with itachi. Even if kimimaro has his indestructible body and healing, there's no way he'd ever be able to touch itachi through bushin feints and high speed movement.

Kakashi saw right through the Bunshin feint given he identified the real Itachi from the fake one when he saved Kurenai from the exploding clone. The main purpose of Bunshin feints is to provide openings for other attacks. The problem here is that Itachi lacks any attacks that can do anything to Kimimaro. Bunshins will just drain his not-so-impressive chakra pool.

Infact, kimimaro will be ragdolled the entire fight by shurikens and kunai's. Sure, without MS, i can't think of how itachi is putting him down, but on the same hand, i can't think of how kimimaro is landing even a single hit.

Itachi is only marginally faster than Kimimaro is. He is nowhere near fast enough to be running circles around him as you are implying he will be. The Sharingan's precognition will help, but its effect will be dampened when up against a guy who can randomly pop bones out of his body and uses a largely unpredictable Taijutsu style.

With his katons, itachi has a means to injure kimimaro time and time again through the searing pain and heat. Kimimaro would die of chakra depletion/sickness within a short span and itachi walks away.

I'm not seeing how, according to you, Itachi is spamming all of these Katons and Bunshins and won't be running out of chakra, yet on the other hand, Kimimaro, who has a nearly perfect score in stamina, will be running out of chakra (assuming he is healthy and won't die of illness).

Giving itachi any MS move, or even just the simple ability to use genjutsu turns it into a low diff fight against kimimaro. Kimamaro is only pushing itachi because we haven't seen any canonical killing jutsu from itachi.

I don't disagree with this.

You underestimate sharingan pre-cog. It doesn't matter if he can pop bones from anywhere, unless he fights like a walking spike pit, this ability is useless.

Sharingan precognition essentially "slows down" the attack to the Sharingan user, allowing them to perceive attacks that would normally be too fast for them. If Itachi gets too close to Kimimaro, Kimimaro can sprout lethal bones from his gut and impale Itachi. Attacks like that are more difficult to predict, as seen when Kakashi got hit by Pain's chakra rod, which randomly sprouted out of his hand.

 

[Curse Mark]

And for Kimimaro, you have to factor in superior Taijutsu skill and an unpredictable fight style. Kimimaro is nowhere near out of his league with these restrictions.



She actually reacted to both of his attacks. She ducked his kunai swing and managed to block his kick. Regardless, Kimimaro is superior to Kurenai in both speed and Taijutsu, so the comparison isn't valid to begin with. She is a "high ranked Jonin" that specializes in Genjutsu, not CQC.



Kakashi saw right through the Bunshin feint given he identified the real Itachi from the fake one when he saved Kurenai from the exploding clone. The main purpose of Bunshin feints is to provide openings for other attacks. The problem here is that Itachi lacks any attacks that can do anything to Kimimaro. Bunshins will just drain his not-so-impressive chakra pool.



Itachi is only marginally faster than Kimimaro is. He is nowhere near fast enough to be running circles around him as you are implying he will be. The Sharingan's precognition will help, but its effect will be dampened when up against a guy who can randomly pop bones out of his body and uses a largely unpredictable Taijutsu style.



I'm not seeing how, according to you, Itachi is spamming all of these Katons and Bunshins and won't be running out of chakra, yet on the other hand, Kimimaro, who has a nearly perfect score in stamina, will be running out of chakra (assuming he is healthy and won't die of illness).



I don't disagree with this.



Sharingan precognition essentially "slows down" the attack to the Sharingan user, allowing them to perceive attacks that would normally be too fast for them. If Itachi gets too close to Kimimaro, Kimimaro can sprout lethal bones from his gut and impale Itachi. Attacks like that are more difficult to predict, as seen when Kakashi got hit by Pain's chakra rod, which randomly sprouted out of his hand.

You're quickly becoming one of my favorite people in the versus threads.

 

[Miley]

some fanboys really think shurikens, kunais and katon gokakyou no jutsu will kill Kimimaro... :vincent:

 

[jorgelius]

Kimimaro is only half a tier slower than Itachi, so Itachi won't be running circles around him as easily as you are implying when he has four other teammates to serve as sacrificial distractions. Kimimaro is also half a tier above Itachi in Taijutsu, which helps in making up for the marginal speed gap.

Kimimaro is not going to die from a kunai to the head when he took mineral enhanced sand burials, which normally cause the human body to turn into a pile of blood, with little to no damage. Without the Mangekyo, Itachi lacks the techniques necessary to bypass Kimimaro's top tier durability.

i wont even start debating if _kimimaro_ would win, using four as bates finding time to strike?? that would never happen
if he stands out i admit kimimaro would last to second round

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but when that happen for real two of four atleast are dead--
i would even say itachi's progress with sharingan are pair of yellow flash, picture send earlier by GoodBoy and point he made kurenai is point back at taijutsu right? remember even there itachi wanted show konoha where true uchiha shinobi stand. he didn't want to kill anyone as we know + recognized by kakashi.

u lean much to kimimaro his sacrifices are quickly dealt and kimimaro itself have no feats take itachi out. theyr league are simply not same (sorry for bad eng)
at all out i can see kimimaro strugling maybe round when he's sustained heavy damage as loss of arm, trying lucky shots and at last outclassed /dead

Taijutsu would be suicide when Kimimaro can unexpectedly grow bones from anywhere in his body.
Sharingan itself holds more might that u give credit

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I know kimimaro's bones are kekkei genkai this feat make me doubt if itachi can truly predict his everymove at close range
yet i believe he can. this feat alone make up for gap in taijutsu which is weird begin with

 

[Black Wolf]

i wont even start debating if _kimimaro_ would win, using four as bates finding time to strike?? that would never happen

Having team mates to distract your enemy is always a plus, no matter how inferior they are.

i would even say itachi's progress with sharingan are pair of yellow flash, picture send earlier by GoodBoy and point he made kurenai is point back at taijutsu right? remember even there itachi wanted show konoha where true uchiha shinobi stand. he didn't want to kill anyone as we know + recognized by kakashi.

The example holds little water. Itachi's attacks were dodged and blocked by a non-Taijutsu combatant (that had just recovered from Genjutsu, mind you) with inferior stats and skill to Kimimaro, so I don't see how that is in any way applicable to Kimimaro. If anything, its a detriment to Itachi.

u lean much to kimimaro his sacrifices are quickly dealt and kimimaro itself have no feats take itachi out. theyr league are simply not same (sorry for bad eng)

Itachi and Kimimaro are not in the same league. A heavily gimped base Itachi, however, is.

at all out i can see kimimaro strugling maybe round when he's sustained heavy damage as loss of arm, trying lucky shots and at last outclassed /dead

Please explain how Kimimaro will "lose an arm" when Itachi lacks anything in his arsenal to cut through Kimimaro's defenses.

 

[adeshina365]

Why exactly would you restrict Genjutsu?

 

[Curse Mark]

Why exactly would you restrict Genjutsu?

Common sense would imply that when techniques are restricted it'd be because
a. The thread creator thought that technique made the match unfair
AND/OR
b. Popular opinion is that said technique may be over powered, or OP, or that the technique is unfair in the current match up.

 

[Goddess]

I say sound 5 due to the numbers game.

 

[TheSupremeKing]

Sharingan precognition essentially "slows down" the attack to the Sharingan user, allowing them to perceive attacks that would normally be too fast for them. If Itachi gets too close to Kimimaro, Kimimaro can sprout lethal bones from his gut and impale Itachi. Attacks like that are more difficult to predict, as seen when Kakashi got hit by Pain's chakra rod, which randomly sprouted out of his hand.

Impale Itachi that quickly? How come I saw Rock Lee survive the fight between Kimimaro and Lee doesn't even have Sharingan. He only had that sake and those funky moves of him. And Itachi isn't that kind of guy who barges in with out a plan and gets himself impaled that quickly.


I'm not saying that "Itachi is a god omigosssshhhh noobs bow down to him" or anything. I'm just saying that he wouldn't go down like that so easily.

Itachi wins this high diff with those restrictions.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Kimimaro is half a tier better than Itachi at Taijutsu, then you have to factor in an unpredictable fighting style, regeneration, and top tier durability. Kimimaro is nowhere near out of his league with these restrictions.



She actually reacted to both of his attacks. She ducked his kunai swing and managed to block his kick. Regardless, Kimimaro is superior to Kurenai in both speed and Taijutsu, so the comparison isn't valid to begin with. She is a "high ranked Jonin" that specializes in Genjutsu, not CQC.



Kakashi saw right through the Bunshin feint given he identified the real Itachi from the fake one when he saved Kurenai from the exploding clone. The main purpose of Bunshin feints is to provide openings for other attacks. The problem here is that Itachi lacks any attacks that can do anything to Kimimaro. Bunshins will just drain his not-so-impressive chakra pool.



Itachi is only marginally faster than Kimimaro is. He is nowhere near fast enough to be running circles around him as you are implying he will be. The Sharingan's precognition will help, but its effect will be dampened when up against a guy who can randomly pop bones out of his body and uses a largely unpredictable Taijutsu style.



I'm not seeing how, according to you, Itachi is spamming all of these Katons and Bunshins and won't be running out of chakra, yet on the other hand, Kimimaro, who has a nearly perfect score in stamina, will be running out of chakra (assuming he is healthy and won't die of illness).



I don't disagree with this.



Sharingan precognition essentially "slows down" the attack to the Sharingan user, allowing them to perceive attacks that would normally be too fast for them. If Itachi gets too close to Kimimaro, Kimimaro can sprout lethal bones from his gut and impale Itachi. Attacks like that are more difficult to predict, as seen when Kakashi got hit by Pain's chakra rod, which randomly sprouted out of his hand.

You kept spouting something about kimimaro having an unpredictable attack. I don't know where you heard that. It was drunken lee who had an unpredictable attack pattern that kimi couldn't follow properly.

Other than that, I see this would devolve into a whole debate so I won't really bother responding too much. I'm pretty busy and can't go scan hunting and stuff atm.
You tried to bring up, again, the fact of kimi popping random bones from his body. Like i've stated before, this is completely and utterly pointless considering Sharingan precognition can see through every minor discrepency in his attack. Furthermore, Itachi was able to par with Bee's 7 sword dance, yet you believe kimimaro stands a chance in hell in this fight taijutsu wise. Infact, due to the sharingan alone, itachi's .5 disadvantage in taijutsu is suddenly hurtled to an advantage. He can see every detail of kimimaro's attacks and react accordingly, even subbing out bushins in high dangerous situations.
It doesn't matter what you want to believe. The simple fact is that kimimaro would be ragdolled by itachi. Even though itachi has no way to put him down, without actually having to resort to chakra or stamina intensive moves(MS and genjutsu) itachi's stamina would allow him to last quite a long time. Infact, the second kimimaro uses Cursed seal, it's going to go all downhill for him. The curse seal takes alot of chakra to maintain, and kimimaro actually gets slower in CSV2; He gets stronger and tougher(more defence).

Kimimaro loses this defence 10/10 times, Sound 4 are a non factor in this battle. Kimimaro doesn't have the jutsu capable to protect them. 1 kage bushin mops the floor with them while itachi takes on kimimaro and it easily becomes a 1v1.

Itachi wins mid/high diff because of genjutsu disabled.

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

Sound 5 win low diff, as if Itachi could kill such strong opponents with Kunais, he probably cant even hurt Kimimaro and Sakon. Without Itachis Sharingan-Techs he has no Counter to anything the Sound 5 have, even Jirobos earth dome would finish him off

 

[Black Wolf]

You kept spouting something about kimimaro having an unpredictable attack. I don't know where you heard that. It was drunken lee who had an unpredictable attack pattern that kimi couldn't follow properly.

Sprouting bones from any area in his body is unpredictable. If you are having a kunai clash with someone, and they randomly sprout three bones from their gut to pierce you, they cannot predict that.

You tried to bring up, again, the fact of kimi popping random bones from his body. Like i've stated before, this is completely and utterly pointless considering Sharingan precognition can see through every minor discrepency in his attack.

No it cannot. When Pain sprouted a chakra rod from his hand, Kakashi got pierced in the shoulder. Kimimaro can do that, except he can sprout bones from anywhere in his body, not just his hand.

Furthermore, Itachi was able to par with Bee's 7 sword dance, yet you believe kimimaro stands a chance in hell in this fight taijutsu wise.

Par? All he did was retreat the moment Bee attacked him with seven swords. If he tried to hold his ground, he would have suffered a similar fate to Sasuke.

Infact, due to the sharingan alone, itachi's .5 disadvantage in taijutsu is suddenly hurtled to an advantage. He can see every detail of kimimaro's attacks and react accordingly, even subbing out bushins in high dangerous situations. It doesn't matter what you want to believe.

If your entire argument is based on the childish premise of "it doesn't matter what you want to believe because I am right," then there isn't much more I can do for you.

The simple fact is that kimimaro would be ragdolled by itachi. Even though itachi has no way to put him down, without actually having to resort to chakra or stamina intensive moves(MS and genjutsu) itachi's stamina would allow him to last quite a long time. Infact, the second kimimaro uses Cursed seal, it's going to go all downhill for him. The curse seal takes alot of chakra to maintain, and kimimaro actually gets slower in CSV2; He gets stronger and tougher(more defence).

Why are you assuming Kimimaro is going to be using or even needing the Cursed Seal here? He can easily take it in base. The only reason he used the Cursed Seal against Gaara was because Gaara was using mineral enhanced sand, which was powerful enough to give his bones a problem. Itachi's kunai won't be doing anything to Kimimaro's bones, so there is no reason to opt for CS2. Furthermore, the fact he slowed down can be attributed to his illness. CS2 is extremely draining, as noted by Sasuke, and Kimimaro's illness may have made the affects of CS2 even worse.

Kimimaro loses this defence 10/10 times, Sound 4 are a non factor in this battle. Kimimaro doesn't have the jutsu capable to protect them. 1 kage bushin mops the floor with them while itachi takes on kimimaro and it easily becomes a 1v1.

Depends on starting distance, location, and knowledge. If the Sound 4 start further off and have proper hiding positions, Kidomaru's undodgable arrows will become a problem. Sound 4 would be a non factor in a normal situation, but not when Kimimaro is on the team. If Itachi is busy throwing kunai at other Sound 4, Kimimaro has the luxury of attacking him whilst he is distracted. Itachi is not omniscient, and he cannot afford to turn his back on Kimimaro.

 

[paratise]

Itachi's taijutsu has nothing on Kiimaro to legimetaly hurt him any way.

The guy is immune to physical attacks; atleast any type of physical attacks Itachi can offer. Also; "prediction" is not only granted by shraingan. He was knowing any and every attacks Lee would throw at him (besides drunken fist and surprise attack; but Lee came out of nowhere and only been able to push back Kimi to preventing him from killing Naruto). He noted Lee's drunken attacks as "unpredictable"; also before he got drunk, he noted them as "too linear and predictable". Itachi's taijutsu is based on basic taijutsu; people like Kakashi have. It is just better than your average one. That been said; even at the times Lee landed hits on him; he could not "damage" the guy.

Seirously; his taijutsu can't hurt him; he is litterally immune to everthing Itachi can offer; even if Itachi manages to land some hits; those hits won't effect at all. His sharingan is not making him hurt Kimimaro.