Explaining why the Curse mark = Sage mode

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To begin with, there is currently a misguided consensus that Jugo is not using Sage mode, and that the Curse mark is not Sage mode, either.

To better understand what the Cursed seal is, we're going to have to start doing some proper thinking.

First, we'll start with the most popular version of Sage mode: the toad Sage mode used by Naruto. Currently, people consider this to be an example of a "true" Sage mode, and they would be right.

However, toad Sage mode has an intermediate stage, where it's not quite perfect.

Originally, Naruto needed to use frog oil to gather Sage chakra, and the coloring around his eyes was different.
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He's still in Sage mode, but it's not perfect yet. That's the difference. It's assisted by the toad oil.

Now, compare this to the Curse mark. Where did the mark come from?
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A person's genetic ability to absorb natural energy. Now, where does frog oil come from?
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An animal's genetic ability to absorb natural energy. The frogs, if you haven't noticed, don't have a "Sage mode" like the humans. They can simply use natural energy, without an appearance to distinguish them. The purpose of the Curse mark in other words, is to serve a similar purpose as the frog oil. It is to be an intermediate stage, not a perfect Sage mode.


It was originally assumed [By Sasuke] that Orochimaru had turned himself into a snake because of his body transfer jutsu.
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The reality was, Orochimaru made those changes because he was trying to master Sage mode, because his original body was incapable of handling natural energy. Snakes on the other hand, can absorb the energy fairly quickly.
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Part of what made me suspect this, was also the fact that his snake powers improved Sasuke's recovery time, which was also a trait of Sage mode, and just prior to that, Sasuke was battling Deidara.
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Logically then, the next step is the perfected Sage mode, such as the one Naruto used, without having to be assisted by something such as frog oil.
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In contrast, the next step for the Curse mark is the original Sage transformation used by Jugo. Unlike the Curse mark, Jugo has many different transformations and powers that go with them.
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I believe the Curse mark was meant to serve as Sasuke's "frog oil"; something to be replaced by the real thing [Sage transformation]. The transformation itself and the loss of control that comes with it however, also appears to mirror the caveats of toad Sage mode, so I do have my doubts that Sasuke will use an actual transformation.
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Curse mark is nature chakra not sage mode...its an incomplete version but plus rep for the effort in this thread
 

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Yes, that is correct. Varrah fashioned a most eloquent piece on such matters: [ ]
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Most of what you said was correct, however, Sasuke is incapable of becoming a true sage at the moment. Orochimaru failed to become a true sage with a stamina of 3.5. Sasuke also has 3.5. Sasuke flat out won't be able to control sage chakra.
 

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Yes, that is correct. Varrah fashioned a most eloquent piece on such matters: [ ]
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not linked.
 

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This seems legit.Good job :cool:
 

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Most of what you said was correct, however, Sasuke is incapable of becoming a true sage at the moment. Orochimaru failed to become a true sage with a stamina of 3.5. Sasuke also has 3.5. Sasuke flat out won't be able to control sage chakra.

Plus it doesn't have strength compare to toad sage mode I m positive sage mode naruto can stump jugo. Mind you kabuto did a lot of DNA combination(mixing) to obtain Dragon sage mode which I not same as curse mark..
 

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Best argument for Sasuke sage mode I've seen in a while. + rep
 

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we all know that, but curse mark is natural energy but not sage mode
 

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Most of what you said was correct, however, Sasuke is incapable of becoming a true sage at the moment. Orochimaru failed to become a true sage with a stamina of 3.5. Sasuke also has 3.5. Sasuke flat out won't be able to control sage chakra.

fail post.

sasuke can achieve sage mode, re read op and manga

Op- i agree you took the time to make this thread well made.

i only used st8 manga scans, but yeah i agree that CM is a form of sage mode.
 
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if curse mark was anything like inperfect sagemode, then sasuke wouldn't have run out of chakra when he fought deidara and itachi,he would just take in nature energy and bam he is back .but nice thread anyway.
 

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Awesome thread *****.

You proved it without a doubt U_U
 

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fail post.

sasuke can achieve sage mode, re read op and manga

Op- i agree you took the time to make this thread well made.

i only used st8 manga scans, but yeah i agree that CM is a from of sage mode.

I think I here a fangirl buzzing in my ear. It's almost as if this person is trying to annoy me as much as possible by being as illogical as possible.
 
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