[ShaneEyyy vs Prince Charles] Zabuza vs Chiyo

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Zabuza (ShaneEyyy)
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Location: Zabuza vs Team 7 (first battle)
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Knowledge: Basic Manga knowledge


Since this is a debate between Prince Charles and I, please refrain from posting any comments on the match up that might help either side.
 
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I think Zabuza takes this because I really don't see Chiyo countering Zabuza's mist.

The only thing Chiyo has that could effect the mist are her 10 puppets. Three of her 10 puppets are capable of using Three Jewels Suction Crushing, that tornado tech of hers that could suck up anything in it's range then shoot it out from the back. You can read this for more info. This tornado tech will only waste Chiyo's chakra because once she sucks up the mist, it will get shot back out again and what good will that do her? It will only waste her chakra, which according to the data books, she has a 2/5 for thus she can't afford to waste her chakra on techs like that. If you read the technique description, you will see that it only covers short-mid range. That being said, it wouldn't even be able to suck up more than half of the mist because the mist covers all ranges very far. It may suck it up right by her, but since Zabuza will still be hidden, she won't know where to aim her puppets to strike Zabuza, which will give Zabuza time to just wait for the mist to get filled back in.



You may argue that Chiyo doesn't need that technique because she can just position her puppets to cover every range around her, but that won't work with Zabuza. Zabuza has shown to get through defenses that cover every range as show here:
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You may say that that doesn't prove anything because they are just Genin but that's false. Sasuke and Naruto were already on Chuunin level, but besides that, Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura are all ninja who are ALIVE. They can see and hear, they actually have the 5 senses. They are more capable of guarding Tazuna then Chiyo's puppets because since her puppets aren't actually "aliive", they need to be controlled by Chiyo. Chiyo isn't a sensor, nor does she have a Sharingan like Kakashi did to read Zabuza's movements and react to him. Because of this, Zabuza will easily be able to pass these puppets and appear in the middle behind Chiyo, then that's the end for her.


You may think that Chiyo could protect herself with a Mechanical Chakra Shield, however, she will not have time to react:
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Here, Zabuza was moving so fast in this thick mist that Kakashi, who had a 3 tomoe Sharingan which enhances your reflexes greatly, couldn't even react as he got hit back considerably. Chiyo, again, without possessing the famous Sharingan nor hearing the slightest sound from Zabuza, will not have time to turn around and activate her shield.


To close my first post, I will like to say that I think you and I both know Chiyo's only chance of winning is bringing out her 10 puppets in the beginning to try to counter the mist, however, this is way out of character for Chiyo. Chiyo up against Sasori, an even stronger opponent, didn't even use her best puppets until the absolute end of the match. You may say she didn't pull them out in the beginning because she was controlling Sakura, however, even when she stopped controlling her and Sasori pulled out his strongest and favorite puppet, The Third Kazekage, she didn't even pull them out.
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She notes right here how she forbids using the technique, so her pulling them out in the start of the match is very, very unlikely.


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Regarding the hidden mist it is indeed an frightful jutsu by Zabuza. While chiyo is indeed at disadvantage against the mist do keep in mind that the victim is not totally at a loss. As we see against kakashi simply depending on his ninja instincts he was capable of intercepting incoming Shuriken from zabuza within the Mist[ ]. Later on showcased by sakura and the bridge builder their keen sense goes off once zabuza is near them[ ], the fact that Lady chiyo has displayed noteworthy reaction time feats against Sasori sama indicates she would be capable of relying on her keen senses as a shinobi and intercept potential threats from zabuza. Keeping that in perspective zabuza coming making contact with Chiyo is the last thing that he wants to do per say considering Keeping that in mind when we take into consideration of her skill set in regards to chakra threads of how she was able to manipulate hirukos tail without sasori noticing[ ]. Keep that in mind Zabuza is at great risk of being manipulated by chakra threads he comes into close contact of Lady chiyo.

Your also not taking into considering of the chakra and prep time needed by Zabuza to activate the mist I believe.



Now correct me if Im wrong but to my understanding we see zabuza forming a hand seal which to me represents the act of gathering chakra which he did to up until the point to activate the mist. During that time frame not noyl can lady chiyo rush him with her 2 mother and father puppets but also attach threads on Zabuza. Let me just point out that once she sees zabuza start to vanish[ ] this would likely indicate to her that she needs to quickly get out of range of the mist but that is debatable. Anways like I said while zabuza is still present and by present I meant still visible he is still prone to attacks by her puppets such as wire strings that she used to cut through sasori 1000 hand puppet by the kazekage which would literally slice up zabuza. The puppets within no time can easily surround zabuzas and they can end it their there.

You may say that that doesn't prove anything because they are just Genin but that's false. Sasuke and Naruto were already on Chuunin level, but besides that, Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura are all ninja who are ALIVE. They can see and hear, they actually have the 5 senses. They are more capable of guarding Tazuna then Chiyo's puppets because since her puppets aren't actually "aliive", they need to be controlled by Chiyo. Chiyo isn't a sensor, nor does she have a Sharingan like Kakashi did to read Zabuza's movements and react to him. Because of this, Zabuza will easily be able to pass these puppets and appear in the middle behind Chiyo, then that's the end for her.
He got in between them with the use of the hidden mist add that with the fact that they were children then obviously he got through them. Being a sensor is non fact here, as long as you have good reaction time skills and keen on your senses they you are capable of intercepting your opponent. You say she wont have time to react just because kakashi barely managed to and then you bring up her not having a sharigan which isnt the point here kakashi and chiyo are 2 different people. It was already displayed in the manga that Minato who doesnt have a sharigan possessed greater reflexes then a sharigan wielder. Anways analyzing the sasori fight she was capable of saving sakura and putting up the chakra sheild and moving the puppet infront of her all before the iron sand drizzle got her[ ]. I wont deny the mist will render her but dont underestimate her keen senses and reaction time feats which are impressive just because she does not possess a sharigan, a women of her caliber is not to be underestimated.

To close my first post, I will like to say that I think you and I both know Chiyo's only chance of winning is bringing out her 10 puppets in the beginning to try to counter the mist, however, this is way out of character for Chiyo. Chiyo up against Sasori, an even stronger opponent, didn't even use her best puppets until the absolute end of the match. You may say she didn't pull them out in the beginning because she was controlling Sakura, however, even when she stopped controlling her and Sasori pulled out his strongest and favorite puppet, The Third Kazekage, she didn't even pull them out.
This is agreeable I wont deny what you have claimed regarding her 10 puppets. But than again she can potentially end this with her two primary puppets. I would also like to point out that zabuza uses the sound of his victim to locate them[ ].The fact that chiyo's puppets will also be making noise may confuse zabuza and he will end confusing chiyo for a puppet and attack the wrong person leaving him vulnerable to getting ripped up by wires or getting attached with chakra threads and chiyo finishes him.
 

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Regarding the hidden mist it is indeed an frightful jutsu by Zabuza. While chiyo is indeed at disadvantage against the mist do keep in mind that the victim is not totally at a loss. As we see against kakashi simply depending on his ninja instincts he was capable of intercepting incoming Shuriken from zabuza within the Mist[ ]. Later on showcased by sakura and the bridge builder their keen sense goes off once zabuza is near them[ ], the fact that Lady chiyo has displayed noteworthy reaction time feats against Sasori sama indicates she would be capable of relying on her keen senses as a shinobi and intercept potential threats from zabuza. Keeping that in perspective zabuza coming making contact with Chiyo is the last thing that he wants to do per say considering Keeping that in mind when we take into consideration of her skill set in regards to chakra threads of how she was able to manipulate hirukos tail without sasori noticing[ ]. Keep that in mind Zabuza is at great risk of being manipulated by chakra threads he comes into close contact of Lady chiyo.

Your also not taking into considering of the chakra and prep time needed by Zabuza to activate the mist I believe.



Now correct me if Im wrong but to my understanding we see zabuza forming a hand seal which to me represents the act of gathering chakra which he did to up until the point to activate the mist. During that time frame not noyl can lady chiyo rush him with her 2 mother and father puppets but also attach threads on Zabuza. Let me just point out that once she sees zabuza start to vanish[ ] this would likely indicate to her that she needs to quickly get out of range of the mist but that is debatable. Anways like I said while zabuza is still present and by present I meant still visible he is still prone to attacks by her puppets such as wire strings that she used to cut through sasori 1000 hand puppet by the kazekage which would literally slice up zabuza. The puppets within no time can easily surround zabuzas and they can end it their there.



He got in between them with the use of the hidden mist add that with the fact that they were children then obviously he got through them. Being a sensor is non fact here, as long as you have good reaction time skills and keen on your senses they you are capable of intercepting your opponent. You say she wont have time to react just because kakashi barely managed to and then you bring up her not having a sharigan which isnt the point here kakashi and chiyo are 2 different people. It was already displayed in the manga that Minato who doesnt have a sharigan possessed greater reflexes then a sharigan wielder. Anways analyzing the sasori fight she was capable of saving sakura and putting up the chakra sheild and moving the puppet infront of her all before the iron sand drizzle got her[ ]. I wont deny the mist will render her but dont underestimate her keen senses and reaction time feats which are impressive just because she does not possess a sharigan, a women of her caliber is not to be underestimated.



This is agreeable I wont deny what you have claimed regarding her 10 puppets. But than again she can potentially end this with her two primary puppets. I would also like to point out that zabuza uses the sound of his victim to locate them[ ].The fact that chiyo's puppets will also be making noise may confuse zabuza and he will end confusing chiyo for a puppet and attack the wrong person leaving him vulnerable to getting ripped up by wires or getting attached with chakra threads and chiyo finishes him.
I will counter this in like an hour I have to go somewhere
 
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