A>B>C logic hardly works in NV, what you're claiming is that raiton blade is the same or lesser than a basic chakra blade. by that logic kimi's bones> base chakra blade=raiton blade> V2 biju cloak
how is it that the guy with 3k posts and 3 rep bars seems more of a troll than the guy with 700 posts and 2 rep bars? Dayum...
>B>C logic hardly works in NV, what you're claiming is that raiton blade is the same or lesser than a basic chakra blade. by that logic kimi's bones> base chakra blade=raiton blade> V2 biju cloak
So, let me get this straight. Raiton blade didn't cut a chakra blade but somehow it can now? I'm just going by the manga. Raiton blade didn't cut Chakra blade. Chakra blade didn't cut kimimaro's bone. Raiton pencil had deeper penetration than a metal blade. so... That just leaves me to believe that kimimi's bone is actually incredibly hard like orochimaru stated.
@bold Sorry, my memory is foggy here. What raiton blade cut a V2 bijuu cloak? All i remember is a Raikiri variant (not a raiton blade) cutting V2 cloaks, but i may have missed something.
Joki has made plenty of rubbish claims in this thread. First off, he hypes Asuma's speed and says no wonder Asuma got a data book score of 4.5. Yet Kimimaro has the same speed in the data book and also possesses a 5.0 in taijutsu compared to Asuma's 4.0.
Anyway what is with Joki's claims that Asuma managed to fight on par with Hidan when clearly
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right after the fight started even though Hidan also had to focus on
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. Clearly
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Hidan's unorthodox scythe and body movement.
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which will overwhelm Asuma. Then Kimimaro
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just like he did against Lee and finish him off. Kimimaro could surprise Asuma with a
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and then finish Asuma off. If Kimimaro sustains any damage to his bones, he can simply rebuild them.
Also I'm quite surprised that Joki thinks that Lee did not get stomped by Kimimaro when Kimimaro was simply toying around or else he could have finished him off
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. Once Kimimaro went fully serious even against gated Lee, Gaara had to save him or else Lee would have gotten destroyed low difficulty by Kimimaro
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Why is Joki claiming that Kimimaro got blitzed by gated Lee when it is shown in these scans that Kimimaro reacted just fine.
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Lee uses his first gate.
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Kimimaro reacts just fine to gated Lee, who is faster than Asuma.
Finally I find it absurd that you use the fact that Asuma's wind knife has the power to pierce through rock and wood as definite proof that it can cut through Kimimaro when that itself is blatantly false. The surface hardness of Kimimaro's bones surpasses that of tempered steel so it won't be breached by knives that can cut through rock. Not only that but that is Kimimaro's base durability which increases once he uses his CS2.
As for Kimimaro's speed, well he managed to avoid Gaara's sand attacks which were much faster than the sand that Rock Lee and Sasuke fought against.
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Gaara is a lot more powerful this time around and data book supports this as well. So Kimimaro's level of speed is above that of weightless Lee and Sasuke because those two fought against a weaker Gaara with slower sand.
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Kimimaro manages to counter an incoming blitz from Lee from behind him which goes to prove that Kimimaro has a high level of reflex in comparison to Asuma who got blindsided by Hidan's scythe.
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will undoubtedly overpower Asuma's wind knives in CS2 when they were able to
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, far more durable than Gaara's ordinary defence which is already much stronger than ordinary steel, whereas Asuma's greatest feat is chopping Hidan's head and being able to cut rock and wood.
In the
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, Kabuto states that the invasion of Konoha would have gone much more smoothly if Kimimaro wasn't sick and would have been a major game changer. Clearly Asuma doesn't compare in any way whatsoever. Also Joki, please don't compare the rest of the Kaguya clan with Kimimaro as he is
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than the others who got slaughtered.
Even
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there is no one who can beat Kimimaro, Orochimaru's greatest servant. If Kabuto, who has fought against Tsunade and stalemated with Kakashi says this, who is to say he is wrong? He has even seen Jiraiya fight yet claims Kimimaro to be superior to any Konoha shinobi.
Finally Asuma can't fly nor does he have a wide area of effect destruction capability
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. He can't simply continue swinging his blade around in circles like an idiot as eventually, a bone beneath him will kill him.
Anyway before Lee became drunk,
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Lee despite the fact he could have tanked Lee's punches and kicks effortlessly. Asuma doesn't have unorthodox or non linear taijutsu so I don't see why Kimimaro can't keep up with him. Data book gives Asuma 4.5 and base part one Lee 4.0 so their isn't much difference between them. Not to mention that Hidan managed to keep up with Asuma just fine despite him only having a 3.5 in speed.
Kimimaro takes this mid difficulty just like I said a year ago.
So, let me get this straight. Raiton blade didn't cut a chakra blade but somehow it can now? I'm just going by the manga. Raiton blade didn't cut Chakra blade. Chakra blade didn't cut kimimaro's bone. Raiton pencil had deeper penetration than a metal blade. so... That just leaves me to believe that kimimi's bone is actually incredibly hard like orochimaru stated.
@bold Sorry, my memory is foggy here. What raiton blade cut a V2 bijuu cloak? All i remember is a Raikiri variant (not a raiton blade) cutting V2 cloaks, but i may have missed something.
, then yes. What makes chidori so powerful is the thrusting force behind it. Lightning chain is somewhat like chidori spear. It loses the spearheaded thrust but keeps the sharp shape of the lightning style. So yes, raiton does indeed have the cutting strength to cut through biju armor, or at least a ligament of it when shaped into a blade.
Reaading this last page i'm not sure why i need to bother in here. ElectricalClover is tearing this up... Joki is just talking out of his ass(who happens to be a logical genius)....
Thanks, you helped prove that characters are grouped in terms of their peers and not to take Databook stats all that seriously. I could point out plenty inconsistencies, like Kiba being faster than Kisame, which are all easily solvable by not considering them stats set in stone that determine whether a character wins or not based on numbers instead of rational logic.
When you say things like this it's hard to attempt to take you seriously, especially when you agreed they "had the same speed" seconds before, and then wasted an entire post ranting using databook statistics as your only form of proof.
I'm still curious to why you even attempted to reply to over a year old post considering I hardly post here, did you think it would make you look better? lol
Anyone who believes asuma wins this fight is a fool.
Dance of the seedling fern GG
Dance or the Clemantis: Vine To dance of the Clemantis: Flower GG
Harder than steel blade to brain GG
Phalange bullets to the nuts GG
Not even Asuma rapes this hard, it's extremely ignorant to pretend any single move from a guy who was fighting on the level of 3 genin/chunin will oneshot a Jonin. The rest of your post didn't help your credibility either.
Joki has made plenty of rubbish claims in this thread. First off, he hypes Asuma's speed and says no wonder Asuma got a data book score of 4.5. Yet Kimimaro has the same speed in the data book and also possesses a 5.0 in taijutsu compared to Asuma's 4.0.
Anyway what is with Joki's claims that Asuma managed to fight on par with Hidan when clearly
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right after the fight started even though Hidan also had to focus on
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. Clearly
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Hidan's unorthodox scythe and body movement.
Meanwhile, Kimimaro also possesses
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which will overwhelm Asuma. Then Kimimaro
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just like he did against Lee and finish him off. Kimimaro could surprise Asuma with a
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and then finish Asuma off. If Kimimaro sustains any damage to his bones, he can simply rebuild them.
Also I'm quite surprised that Joki thinks that Lee did not get stomped by Kimimaro when Kimimaro was simply toying around or else he could have finished him off
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. Once Kimimaro went fully serious even against gated Lee, Gaara had to save him or else Lee would have gotten destroyed low difficulty by Kimimaro
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Why is Joki claiming that Kimimaro got blitzed by gated Lee when it is shown in these scans that Kimimaro reacted just fine.
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Lee uses his first gate.
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Kimimaro reacts just fine to gated Lee, who is faster than Asuma.
Finally I find it absurd that you use the fact that Asuma's wind knife has the power to pierce through rock and wood as definite proof that it can cut through Kimimaro when that itself is blatantly false. The surface hardness of Kimimaro's bones surpasses that of tempered steel so it won't be breached by knives that can cut through rock. Not only that but that is Kimimaro's base durability which increases once he uses his CS2.
As for Kimimaro's speed, well he managed to avoid Gaara's sand attacks which were much faster than the sand that Rock Lee and Sasuke fought against.
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Gaara is a lot more powerful this time around and data book supports this as well. So Kimimaro's level of speed is above that of weightless Lee and Sasuke because those two fought against a weaker Gaara with slower sand.
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Kimimaro manages to counter an incoming blitz from Lee from behind him which goes to prove that Kimimaro has a high level of reflex in comparison to Asuma who got blindsided by Hidan's scythe.
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will undoubtedly overpower Asuma's wind knives in CS2 when they were able to
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, far more durable than Gaara's ordinary defence which is already much stronger than ordinary steel, whereas Asuma's greatest feat is chopping Hidan's head and being able to cut rock and wood.
In the
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, Kabuto states that the invasion of Konoha would have gone much more smoothly if Kimimaro wasn't sick and would have been a major game changer. Clearly Asuma doesn't compare in any way whatsoever. Also Joki, please don't compare the rest of the Kaguya clan with Kimimaro as he is
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than the others who got slaughtered.
Even
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there is no one who can beat Kimimaro, Orochimaru's greatest servant. If Kabuto, who has fought against Tsunade and stalemated with Kakashi says this, who is to say he is wrong? He has even seen Jiraiya fight yet claims Kimimaro to be superior to any Konoha shinobi.
Finally Asuma can't fly nor does he have a wide area of effect destruction capability
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. He can't simply continue swinging his blade around in circles like an idiot as eventually, a bone beneath him will kill him.
Anyway before Lee became drunk,
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Lee despite the fact he could have tanked Lee's punches and kicks effortlessly. Asuma doesn't have unorthodox or non linear taijutsu so I don't see why Kimimaro can't keep up with him. Data book gives Asuma 4.5 and base part one Lee 4.0 so their isn't much difference between them. Not to mention that Hidan managed to keep up with Asuma just fine despite him only having a 3.5 in speed.
Kimimaro takes this mid difficulty just like I said a year ago.
Yeah I'm not reading this, you of all people should know how infrequently I post here so I'm also wondering what reason other than being immature you decided to waste your time replying to anything I said. As much effort as I'm willing to put in, I did skim some of whatshisname's posts from last year and yep, they were just as retarded as when I replied to them last year.
That you can tell by actually reading my counters, though considering how insecure you were about your choice that you had to pretend I made rubbish claims and cite my name in every line of your solo-post and whatnot convinces me you didn't and won't. Were you trying to summon me? I'm honored, clearly you were desperate for the Joki.
What if I did waste my time and reply to your post man, do you think you would admit Kimimaro lost after how forward you attacked me? Or would you just wait 2 years and then reply, in hopes I don't actually see it. Despite how cowardly that actually is
Heh, before posting this I skimmed over your post to see if there was anything worthwhile to point out, and I have to say I'm disappointed I don't want to waste my time replying to your actual "points", because I'm seeing a lot of bull in your post that anyone could counter without much trouble. Such as, ignoring Lee not being able to enter any gates, being completely oblivious to the correct points I made(99%) and cherry picking some random crap I said that makes up about 1% of my entire argument and trying to capitalize on it. Or the fact you are comparing part 1 Genin feats to Akatsuki members in part 2 as if they could ever compare in any category.
That one is actually quite saddening and I hope you aren't serious. If you are, I highly suggest rereading the entire part 1 of the manga and try to rationally see where Kishi comes from when he writes instead of just hurr durr Kimimaro has 1 number higher(despite being overall lower) and ranks don't matter because Kimimaro stopped a base genin Lee kick, that means all of his moves stomp on Asuma a Jonin and he wins mid diff.
I wasn't going to elaborate but let me give you an example because I'm nice: remember when Shikamaru was surrounded by about a dozen sound ninja and was helpless to do anything then Asuma appeared and shat on them no diff. Guess what, Kishi actually cares about rank. Unlike a large majority of the base, who constantly argue about who they WANT to win, but not who actually WOULD win.
It really reinforces how close-minded you're being given you disregarded my past posts entirely and direct things at "Joki" when it actually has little to do with me, it's just you typing a wall of text to yourself trying to convince yourself Kimimaro wins if you catch my drift. Might as well have just mailed it to yourself if you wanted to feel better, or were you eager for more after you and other dude abandoned thread a year ago?
I don't remember all of what I said in those posts last year, but try actually reading them without having "Kimimaro autowins, because I don't like Joki and will never agree with him no matter how wrong my claims actually are" in your head and see if you learn anything from it! Rather than sitting around playing Solitaire because you know I'm not going to respond.
Don't enter a thread already knowing which character's gonna win and refuse to change sides no matter what, that's how retards enter threads. Seriously, try it out sometime, not even being condescending.
Also I wasn't paying attention at first(quick edit), but since you cared enough to neg me I clicked on your profile, I enjoy the fact that the me from a year ago is so overwhelming you need to message other members who agree with you to feel better about your decision lol. Say it with me, insecurity.
, then yes. What makes chidori so powerful is the thrusting force behind it. Lightning chain is somewhat like chidori spear. It loses the spearheaded thrust but keeps the sharp shape of the lightning style. So yes, raiton does indeed have the cutting strength to cut through biju armor, or at least a ligament of it when shaped into a blade.
Really, bruh? That's just a nature manipulated raikiri. It's power isn't the same as a sword coated in raikiri so i don't know why that skan matters. But, lets entertain you, you say because of this kimi's bone > V2 Cloak? Well it's entirely possible. 3rd raikage armor, susano'o > it. Why can't kimi's bone be > It also when it's canonically effortlessly blocked a blade which effortlessly blocked a raiton blade.
@Joki, i was linked to this, i didn't check when this was posted... I won't be responding to your response.
, then yes. What makes chidori so powerful is the thrusting force behind it. Lightning chain is somewhat like chidori spear. It loses the spearheaded thrust but keeps the sharp shape of the lightning style. So yes, raiton does indeed have the cutting strength to cut through biju armor, or at least a ligament of it when shaped into a blade.
Chidori Spear is stated, in the databook, to be weaker than the standard Chidori:
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Although it's less powerful than the "Chidori," it's increased range means there is less of a risk to the user. It also has the advantage of being able to be used for surprise attacks and capturings.
My personal assumption is that as the Raiton gets farther away from the Raiton source (Sasuke's hand), it gets weaker. With Raiden, it is less of an issue due to the fact that there are two Raikiri powering the technique, from either end (i.e. two Raiton sources, rather than just one). Furthermore, Kakashi's technique is of the S-rank, while Sasuke's is of the A-rank. Just because one Raiton can do something does not necessarily mean the feat is interchangeable and can be shared between other Raitons.
I hope you guys know I posted literally over a year ago right?
Thanks, you helped prove that characters are grouped in terms of their peers and not to take Databook stats all that seriously. I could point out plenty inconsistencies, like Kiba being faster than Kisame, which are all easily solvable by not considering them stats set in stone that determine whether a character wins or not based on numbers instead of rational logic.
When you say things like this it's hard to attempt to take you seriously, especially when you agreed they "had the same speed" seconds before, and then wasted an entire post ranting using databook statistics as your only form of proof.
I'm still curious to why you even attempted to reply to over a year old post considering I hardly post here, did you think it would make you look better? lol
Kiba is faster than Kisame which makes sense since Kiba is a fighter who utilizes speed to close in on his opponents whereas Kisame is a long ranged fighter who utilizes his water dragons, water domes, etc. to overwhelm his opponents. Where is it said that data book stats are grouped in terms of peers? If that were the case CE Temari wouldn't have a 2.5 in intelligence and Hidan wouldn't have a 3.0 in intelligence because obviously, according to you, Hidan would have much higher standards to go up against.
Not even Asuma rapes this hard, it's extremely ignorant to pretend any single move from a guy who was fighting on the level of 3 genin/chunin will oneshot a Jonin. The rest of your post didn't help your credibility either.
Sawarbi no mae isn't a genin/chunin level technique. Just because someone of a lower rank has a technique that can one shot someone, doesn't mean he can't do that just because of some arbitrary rank. Not only that, but Kimimaro is a missing nin so he doesn't even have a rank you numb skull. You didn't actually counter any of Kimimaro's techniques, your only argument was that Asuma cuts Kimimaro in half which is blatantly weak considering Asuma wasn't even able to do the same to Ino, Chouji or Shikamaru when he got revived. As a matter of fact, if Chouji didn't feel upset at fighting Asuma, Chouji would have
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him, so much for Asuma's incredible over hyped speed. You could argue that Asuma was lured into Chouji's punch by Shikamaru's shadows but Hidan managed to outmanoeuvre both Asuma and Shikamaru at the same time. Kimimaro was able to respond to
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while Kimimaro himself was fixated with Gaara.
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despite the fact that Chouji is only chunin while Asuma is jounin so Asuma isn't blitzing Kimimaro in any way. Not only that but
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whereas,
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. You could argue that Asuma was already wounded but then again, he was still able to fight afterwards and Shikamaru was also at a disadvantage in his position due to the fact he was focussing on holding Hidan down with shadow possession.
Yeah I'm not reading this, you of all people should know how infrequently I post here so I'm also wondering what reason other than being immature you decided to waste your time replying to anything I said. As much effort as I'm willing to put in, I did skim some of whatshisname's posts from last year and yep, they were just as retarded as when I replied to them last year.
That you can tell by actually reading my counters, though considering how insecure you were about your choice that you had to pretend I made rubbish claims and cite my name in every line of your solo-post and whatnot convinces me you didn't and won't. Were you trying to summon me? I'm honored, clearly you were desperate for the Joki.
Well I'll tell you the truth, there was a Kimimaro VS Tsunade thread and I said Tsunade stomps low difficulty. Afterwards, my post got countered pretty easily and I was ashamed of myself. So now I want to see how you deal with this considering I know that I can always own you.
What if I did waste my time and reply to your post man, do you think you would admit Kimimaro lost after how forward you attacked me? Or would you just wait 2 years and then reply, in hopes I don't actually see it. Despite how cowardly that actually is
Heh, before posting this I skimmed over your post to see if there was anything worthwhile to point out, and I have to say I'm disappointed I don't want to waste my time replying to your actual "points", because I'm seeing a lot of bull in your post that anyone could counter without much trouble. Such as, ignoring Lee not being able to enter any gates, being completely oblivious to the correct points I made(99%) and cherry picking some random crap I said that makes up about 1% of my entire argument and trying to capitalize on it. Or the fact you are comparing part 1 Genin feats to Akatsuki members in part 2 as if they could ever compare in any category.
. You don't even realize that he was toying around with Naruto and Lee in base, without even utilizing his cursed seal. Once he got serious, even gated Lee was about to get stomped low difficulty by a sick Kimimaro who hadn't even utilized his cursed seal.
That one is actually quite saddening and I hope you aren't serious. If you are, I highly suggest rereading the entire part 1 of the manga and try to rationally see where Kishi comes from when he writes instead of just hurr durr Kimimaro has 1 number higher(despite being overall lower) and ranks don't matter because Kimimaro stopped a base genin Lee kick, that means all of his moves stomp on Asuma a Jonin and he wins mid diff.
I wasn't going to elaborate but let me give you an example because I'm nice: remember when Shikamaru was surrounded by about a dozen sound ninja and was helpless to do anything then Asuma appeared and shat on them no diff. Guess what, Kishi actually cares about rank. Unlike a large majority of the base, who constantly argue about who they WANT to win, but not who actually WOULD win.
It really reinforces how close-minded you're being given you disregarded my past posts entirely and direct things at "Joki" when it actually has little to do with me, it's just you typing a wall of text to yourself trying to convince yourself Kimimaro wins if you catch my drift. Might as well have just mailed it to yourself if you wanted to feel better, or were you eager for more after you and other dude abandoned thread a year ago?
I don't remember all of what I said in those posts last year, but try actually reading them without having "Kimimaro autowins, because I don't like Joki and will never agree with him no matter how wrong my claims actually are" in your head and see if you learn anything from it! Rather than sitting around playing Solitaire because you know I'm not going to respond.
Maybe because your posts don't prove anything. Just look at the poll, I'm sure everyone who has read the debate between you and ElectricClover agrees that ElectricClover won.
Don't enter a thread already knowing which character's gonna win and refuse to change sides no matter what, that's how retards enter threads. Seriously, try it out sometime, not even being condescending.
Also I wasn't paying attention at first(quick edit), but since you cared enough to neg me I clicked on your profile, I enjoy the fact that the me from a year ago is so overwhelming you need to message other members who agree with you to feel better about your decision lol. Say it with me, insecurity.
I just want to see you squirm like you are doing now lol.
Kimimaro isn't genin level as he was
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which says a lot about where he is ranked in Kishi's eyes. So Hanzo, who stomped the Sannin was revived alongside a genin level ninja? Such utter nonsense. Before you say that being revived alongside someone else isn't proof you are on their level, well you do realize that for the most part, dead shinobi were revived alongside people who can be considered to be on the same level.
In the
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, Kabuto states that the invasion of Konoha would have gone much more smoothly if Kimimaro wasn't sick and would have been a major game changer. Clearly Asuma doesn't compare in any way whatsoever. Also Joki, please don't compare the rest of the Kaguya clan with Kimimaro as he is
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than the others who got slaughtered.
Even
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there is no one who can beat Kimimaro, Orochimaru's greatest servant. If Kabuto, who has fought against Tsunade and stalemated with Kakashi says this, who is to say he is wrong? He has even seen Jiraiya fight yet claims Kimimaro to be superior to any Konoha shinobi.
Not even Asuma rapes this hard, it's extremely ignorant to pretend any single move from a guy who was fighting on the level of 3 genin/chunin will oneshot a Jonin. The rest of your post didn't help your credibility either.
Naruto defeated a Chunin in chapter 1. He was already above Chunin level before he learned Rasengan, received basic combat training, and learned to harness the Kyuubi's chakra.
Sasuke manhandled two Chunin within the first dozen chapters. He was already above Chunin level before he unlocked the Sharingan and received basic combat training. An unserious Rock Lee beat the crap out of Sasuke.
Chunin Exam Gaara beat a gated Lee that was going all out. By the time he fought Kimimaro, not only was he much stronger, but he had much more sand available to him, not to mention was hardening it with "the earth's toughest minerals."
Telling me that bloodlusted KN0 Naruto is Genin / Chunin level is ridiculous - a much weaker version of him was already Chunin level. Telling me Rock Lee is Genin / Chunin level is equally ridiculous - he casually defeated a stronger version of the very same Sasuke who matched two Chunin. Telling me Gaara is Genin / Chunin level is the most ridiculous of all. A weaker version of him with less and weaker sand available to him beat a serious Rock Lee. Gaara was on the verge of becoming Kazekage by the Sasuke Rescue Arc.
Suggesting that Kimimaro is Genin / Chunin level is also nonsensical. The Sound 4 defeated two Jonin, and Kimimaro defeated the Sound 4.
Following a huge paragraph that proves absolutely nothing. I hope you understand how stupid that claim looks especially as baseless as it is.
Where is it said that data book stats are grouped in terms of peers? If that were the case CE Temari wouldn't have a 2.5 in intelligence and Hidan wouldn't have a 3.0 in intelligence because obviously, according to you, Hidan would have much higher standards to go up against.
The only time this isn't completely obvious is when the only thing you have to support your point are databook stats so you have to defend them to the grave. Otherwise part 1 genin have skills roughly on the tier of most Akatsuki members, your last post already confirmed how oblivious you are to them though.
Sawarbi no mae isn't a genin/chunin level technique. Just because someone of a lower rank has a technique that can one shot someone, doesn't mean he can't do that just because of some arbitrary rank. Not only that, but Kimimaro is a missing nin so he doesn't even have a rank you numb skull.
Saying he can one shot a Jonin is retarded, especially when I already countered everything you said here a year ago. Guess what? Everything I said a year ago is still unchallenged so if you want a reply to that go ahead and read.
Yes Kimimaro does have a rank, considering he was fighting 3 genin/chunin levels and would have lost to them if they weren't severely handicapped. Stop projecting with outright insults and try to act a little more professional, not like a douchebag.
You didn't actually counter any of Kimimaro's techniques
Is this really how delusional you're being? Trying to convince yourself that I didn't actually answer anything? You're the one who's countered about .01% of what my original posts actually said.
, your only argument was that Asuma cuts Kimimaro in half
How much more are you going to reinforce that you haven't actually read anything I said a year ago lol?
which is blatantly weak considering Asuma wasn't even able to do the same to Ino, Chouji or Shikamaru when he got revived. As a matter of fact, if Chouji didn't feel upset at fighting Asuma, Chouji would have
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him, so much for Asuma's incredible over hyped speed. You could argue that Asuma was lured into Chouji's punch by Shikamaru's shadows but Hidan managed to outmanoeuvre both Asuma and Shikamaru at the same time. Kimimaro was able to respond to
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while Kimimaro himself was fixated with Gaara.
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despite the fact that Chouji is only chunin while Asuma is jounin so Asuma isn't blitzing Kimimaro in any way. Not only that but
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whereas,
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. You could argue that Asuma was already wounded but then again, he was still able to fight afterwards and Shikamaru was also at a disadvantage in his position due to the fact he was focussing on holding Hidan down with shadow possession.
Paragraph full of bull that I'm not about to waste my time reading, because I already have answers to it in the posts you didn't read from last year. You would know that if you wasted your time reading them. Or maybe you did, and you're still salty about getting stomped so you're still trying to convince yourself you're right. No matter how wrong you actually are.
Still won, and it spells wonders how "retarded" your posts are if you can't even counter my supposedly retarded ones lol.
Well I'll tell you the truth, there was a Kimimaro VS Tsunade thread and I said Tsunade stomps low difficulty. Afterwards, my post got countered pretty easily and I was ashamed of myself. So now I want to see how you deal with this considering I know that I can always own you.
Well I could change my mind as to what difficulty Kimimaro wins because I did change my mind that Tsunade does not stomp Kimimaro low difficulty.
Are you serious? Then yes, you should be ashamed of yourself for being deceived by whoever managed to convince you Kimimaro actually stands a chance against a kage level Sannin and wouldn't get raped within seconds.
No wonder you think Kimimaro wins here, I'm shocked someone can be this confused about the manga to think Tsunade of all people would have trouble against a guy who fought against a handicapped Lee, Gaara and part 1 base Naruto for a few minutes etc. There's so much wrong with that argument I can't even. Luckily for you I'm still not arguing on the match you were already proved wrong on long ago, or I would really emphasize on how completely ridiculous that is.
How could anyone who reads the manga seriously even think that so much as slightly? You really need to reread the manga especially part 1, holy shit man. Are you that much of a Kimimaro fan, no seriously, tell me truthfully do you honestly think Kimimaro stands a chance against Tsunade? My mind is legitimately blown and not in a good way. I seriously just read that.
Now I'm glad you didn't read my posts, if you overrate Kimi to that extent, it even further proves you'd never ever ever admit Kimimaro would lose in anything short of planet busting. Not that it wasn't already proven a year ago when you failed to counter, I'm laughing at how you're still trying to counter last year's posts and I didn't even have to do anything.
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but then
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and
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. You don't even realize that he was toying around with Naruto and Lee in base, without even utilizing his cursed seal. Once he got serious, even gated Lee was about to get stomped low difficulty by a sick Kimimaro who hadn't even utilized his cursed seal.
Please post the panel where Lee was even remotely near the level he fought Gaara at in the chunin exams and still wasn't going through rehabilitation. Oh what was that, he only entered the first gate for a couple seconds and didn't use any of his strongest techniques? Strong argument Ice.
Shikamaru had just came out of a fight against Temari,
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. Yet he was still able to hold his own for about a minute,
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. Shikamaru admits that he already expended most of his chakra in his fight against Temari in the
I was nice enough to give you some info to make you a little bit smarter, man to man and help you out despite how pretentious you're being, and you actually tried to counter it? LOL, you missed the point of my post, your offensiveness and overall childishness is far too much for me to take seriously. Calm down dude. You even admitted you would never concede Kimimaro loses, even though it's horrendously obvious because of how close minded you are and how much you hate me for some reason. So there you go.
Maybe because your posts don't prove anything. Just look at the poll, I'm sure everyone who has read the debate between you and ElectricClover agrees that ElectricClover won.
Of course Icelerate would decide to use a poll as evidence because of how badly he wants to convince himself Kimimaro actually wins and doesn't realize polls don't matter and people always vote for their favorite characters anyway.
However if you want to go that route I've even gotten a few + reps for my posts here, I'm assuming the only reason they haven't posted is because unlike me they don't want to argue against the popular opinion and don't plan on getting flamed by Ice and other Kimimaro supporters for having a different opinion than them.
I just want to see you squirm like you are doing now lol.
That's why you resort to using the poll as if it's evidence, to get approval from other random people because of how desperate and insecure you are about Kimimaro actually winning, right? Hell, you've been attacking me CONSTANTLY rather than my actual claims this entire time, did the me from a year ago really stomp you that hard?
I didn't even post anything on the actual match, and you still lost the debate LOL, I didn't even have to do anything and you're getting owned and being ridiculously defensive.
I cannot believe you would follow such blasphemy with "utter nonsense", are you actually serious? Haku was revived alongside them too, but nah Haku could solo Asuma effortlessly too I'm sure. Guess what, Asuma was revived, and he actually fought NAMED CHARACTERS, the entire team 10 to be exact unlike Kimimaro who basically fought fodders the entire time.
Although shocking, nowhere near as shocking as saying you lost to someone who managed to convince you Kimimaro wouldn't lose to Tsunade low diff.
Before you say that being revived alongside someone else isn't proof you are on their level, well you do realize that for the most part, dead shinobi were revived alongside people who can be considered to be on the same level.
Yeah, I'm a nice guy so don't usually outright insult people but that's retarded, please look at both of your quotes side by side and realize how contradictory they are. Still nowhere near as "retarded" as the Tsunade shenanigans though.
In the
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, Kabuto states that the invasion of Konoha would have gone much more smoothly if Kimimaro wasn't sick and would have been a major game changer. Clearly Asuma doesn't compare in any way whatsoever. Also Joki, please don't compare the rest of the Kaguya clan with Kimimaro as he is
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than the others who got slaughtered.
Even
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there is no one who can beat Kimimaro, Orochimaru's greatest servant. If Kabuto, who has fought against Tsunade and stalemated with Kakashi says this, who is to say he is wrong? He has even seen Jiraiya fight yet claims Kimimaro to be superior to any Konoha shinobi.
Why would you copy paste this, are you so immature/desperate you have to constantly press the "Jiraiya insult" low blow to get a reaction? I hope you know absolutely nothing I said had any slight relevance to those 2 paragraphs, stop playing with yourself.
Anyway, if you wanted a serious discussion you should have replied to my posts from a year ago. Considering you were proven so badly wrong by them last year you're even VMing people to this day begging them to back you up and agree Kimimaro wins, it's only natural you haven't and already lost long before you attempted to re-post one year later.
If you're gonna reply, try to not personally attack the other person instead of their arguments because of how bad you know you're losing next time. And try not being a douche, the amount of unwarranted insults directed at me in this post is dumbfounding, especially given the lack of support for almost everything you said. AKA, you're one to talk. The worst I've done was call you immature for constantly pressing on how stupid I am and not actually countering anything(other than proof for your maturity), because of how bad you're being stomped.
Yeah, it's a shame I'm right, he shouldn't have picked the fight if it was so obvious he was wrong, I feel bad for him. He should learn to not be so stubborn, this guy is like a black hole LOl, even when clearly proven wrong you can't change his mind either. He should pick a winning side for once if he never plans on admitting he's wrong.
I'm glad you agree with me though genji, which is a surprise. Honestly, I know how hard I've stomped you in the past, so I'd expect you to come in this thread and chime into another person's debate entirely to get 1 cheap low blow in on me without any intention of actually contributing to the argument because you realize how hard the opposition lost. Luckily that hasn't happened here and you agree with me for once, thanks man, other people agree with my opinions, now I feel relevant as if my opinion matters.
Naruto defeated a Chunin in chapter 1. He was already above Chunin level before he learned Rasengan, received basic combat training, and learned to harness the Kyuubi's chakra.
Sasuke manhandled two Chunin within the first dozen chapters. He was already above Chunin level before he unlocked the Sharingan and received basic combat training. An unserious Rock Lee beat the crap out of Sasuke.
Chunin Exam Gaara beat a gated Lee that was going all out. By the time he fought Kimimaro, not only was he much stronger, but he had much more sand available to him, not to mention was hardening it with "the earth's toughest minerals."
Telling me that bloodlusted KN0 Naruto is Genin / Chunin level is ridiculous - a much weaker version of him was already Chunin level. Telling me Rock Lee is Genin / Chunin level is equally ridiculous - he casually defeated a stronger version of the very same Sasuke who matched two Chunin. Telling me Gaara is Genin / Chunin level is the most ridiculous of all. A weaker version of him with less and weaker sand available to him beat a serious Rock Lee. Gaara was on the verge of becoming Kazekage by the Sasuke Rescue Arc.
Suggesting that Kimimaro is Genin / Chunin level is also nonsensical. The Sound 4 defeated two Jonin, and Kimimaro defeated the Sound 4.
Dude, since when were you under the impression that Kimimaro fought Naruto, Gaara and Lee, in a full fledged 1v3 fight to the death at full power? Why am I the only one who doesn't need to re-read the manga, is it because I actually read the fights before coming into a thread close minded already having who wins in mind?
Also for your last sentence, sound 4 stalemated with 2 tokubetsu Jonin and went all out, it's different. They all entered CS2 and were pushed to their limits by 2 fodder Tokubetsu Jonin who we basically never saw any screentime for, Asuma is actually a named complete Jonin who has done...anything. I'm glad the more oblivious people are, the stronger my points become. And Kimimaro never defeated the sound 4, he would lose to all 4 of them.
The obliviousness of the opposing arguments continues to reinforce my points, because no one else reads the manga(if they did they would have to admit Asuma wins). I don't even have to argue on the match itself, and everyone is digging themselves further into holes by saying a bunch of wrong stuff that never happened. I'm enjoying this, keep it up Kimi fans!
"Kimimaro doesn't lose to Tsunade low diff"
"Kimimaro totally defeated all of the sound 4 on panel"
"Kimimaro totally fought a non handicapped full power Lee, and a bloodlusted KN0 Naruto in a full fledged fight to the death and they weren't interrupted or anything, it was totally black in white etc etc etc"
What's next?
that one dude who I'm too lazy to quote instead of just copy paste said:
LMAO! im about to get turnt up! Who cant take this guy Joki seriously? Just stop bro your only making yourself look like a clown!
Yeah, agreed, these guys are making themselves look like fools they should stop while they're behind. In all seriousness I'm sickened at how childish your guys posts are(especially the one sentence ones), it's almost sad to think someone(or a group of people) could lose an argument this hard.
Your friends are getting stomped so badly you have to post 1 sentence flaming the other person with no actual intention of contributing? That's great, thanks for proving how hard I've been soloing, I didn't know Kimi fans were that desperate though. I am literally 1 person not an army, 3+ huge Kimimaro supporters(or Joki haters lol, I don't know. not my fault I think rationally and vote for who really wins instead of who I like more) can't even take me without resorting to flaming because your favorite character loses. I'm kinda proud that I'm able to accomplish that, although considering who the people are who are doing the ganging up on, I suppose it isn't too much of an accomplishment after all
I'm more surprised it's taking more than 3 people ganging up on me and you guys still have to flame and are still losing. Well, in all fairness, if you guys had any decent points like actually reading the manga, you'd have to admit Asuma wins, that's why you guys aren't using real scans but eh that's if I want to argue on the actual match. Which I did last year, in which the post is still majorly uncountered.
Where are the guys who I can cling to who agree with me, and make me feel like my opinions matter? I want some too! Oh wait, I'm not insecure about who I think wins like you peeps are. Too bad I'm too manly to run and ask for backup though, I'm not 13 but it's ok I still love you guys. Even though I have virtually no respect for any of you now except maybe Ice, that's only because I already know how he gets when driven into a corner, so he's ok in my book.
I'm baffled 4+ people are trying to prove me wrong but your claims are just getting worse, worse, and more desperate. This is great, it's the only way people will learn when people realize how wrong their points actually are, and they'll be forced to read the manga or actually think logically for once.
Anyway, I'm only 1 person, how hard can it be? If you 4+ can't even prove me wrong, you shoulda picked a different side of the argument lol. Surely, if you're going to reply, 4 people ganging up on 1 can do so without flaming the hell outta them instead of countering their actual arguments? I haven't even been flaming, thanks for reinforcing my side of the argument is the winning one guys.
Thanks for reinforcing everything I said 2000x bro, right after (lol i'm not that fast) I posted, too. Luckily anyone who isn't a complete retard should be able to tell I didn't actually say that and you have to make up my own arguments out of thin air because of how hard the me from a year ago is still winning.
Obvious strawman right there. You are responding to me as if I said anything about 1 vs. 3. You stated that all of Kimimaro's opponents were Genin / Chunin level. I responded by stating that that assertion is blatantly false.
Bloodlusted SRA KN0 Naruto > > > > Chapter 1 Naruto > Chunin (Mizuki)
Unserious Rock Lee > > > > Two-tomoe Sasuke > > Chapter 10 Sasuke = Two Chunin (Demon Brothers)
SRA Gaara > > > Chunin Exam Gaara > Gated Rock Lee > Unserious Lee > Two Tomoe Sasuke > Chapter 10 Sasuke = Two Chunin
All of Kimimaro's opponents in what can only be called a gauntlet style battle were heads and shoulders above Chunin level.
Obvious strawman right there. You are responding to me as if I said anything about 1 vs. 3. You stated that all of Kimimaro's opponents were Genin / Chunin level. I responded by stating that that assertion is blatantly false.
Bloodlusted SRA KN0 Naruto > > > > Chapter 1 Naruto > Chunin (Mizuki)
Unserious Rock Lee > > > > Two-tomoe Sasuke > > Chapter 10 Sasuke = Two Chunin (Demon Brothers)
SRA Gaara > > > Chunin Exam Gaara > Gated Rock Lee
All of Kimimaro's opponents in what can only be called a gauntlet style battle were heads and shoulders above Chunin level.
Why do you assume that Naruto, Gaara and Lee had a full fight with him or weren't severely handicapped in the fight?
All the shinobi you listed were fodder that were stomped in about 2 panels, if they're what you consider chunin level, then scale everything up and you're good to go. There's a difference between being a genin/chunin in rank and being a genin/chunin level. Unless you want to argue Asuma wouldn't completely stomp chapter 1 Naruto or Mizuki or the demon brothers, or that the rookies in Part 2 would actually have trouble with any of them.
Anyway I can actually take you slightly seriously, so I'm proud good work. I still have to direct you to the me from 1 year ago's posts though, if you want to try to counter someone whose posts are still 100% valid and still no one has given an attempt at refuting to this day. I don't really care as much about this match any more as I do the pitiful circlejerk I have witnessed.
