Sasuke vs Itachi and Kisame

AGoodBoy · Aug 16, 2013

Guntherockproject said:
Good Point. To start off ill answer your other comment since im not very good at starting this off...

Well, since we assumed Itachi can put out Amaterasu there is a counter to the Masive Enton Spam, And i do believe they have a decent counter to Aoda:

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Kisames Water Style: Super Exploding Water Shockwave Is big enough to trap Aoda, which in combination with his Water Prison Shark Dance Jutsu makes it very difficult for Sasuke and his summon to escape. Not only that but it also gives Kisame the advantage of Underwater combat, which he is an expert on.

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Difficulting even further Sasukes escape we have Itachi, using long ranged attacks such as Yasaka Magatama to damage and distract Sasuke from getting out of the Water Dome.

Alright, I'll (hopefully) make this short.

First, let's take a look at what Kabuto said[top left panel]

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He made Manda Stronger, bigger and better at sensing to create manda 2.

I'd like you to notice that he never mentioned teaching manda 2 how to swim, nor did he say he increased it's swim speed/it's general speed. This comes in handy when we take into consideration[bottom left]:

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Manda 2 is a fast swimmer

Now, How is this relevant you may ask? Well, Manda 2 is simply a snake, and according NV (and some IRL instances TBH), snakes are able to traverse underwater. Therefore, Waterdome would in no way hinder sasuke as aoda can simply aid him in swimming away. Now, what makes this an even worse situation for Kisame is that he's up against an EMS user in here all alone - Itachi can't aid him because itachi can't breath under water - therefore kisame is at the mercy of massive Aoda, sasuke's Chidori lances, Susano'o swords, magatama's and arrows underneath the water. Infact, I can even upgrade all these to enton seeing as water doesn't put out enton, therefore, enton spam is completely viable here to roast kisamehade while he swims in pain. Kisamehade isn't fast enough to dodge an amaterasu, and, considering you completely removed itachi from this fight, he's at the mercy of amaterasu. Kisame is killed if he's ever foolish enough to use waterdome.

*Note, I know you'll say kisame absorbs these enton/susano'o attacks, but though this is true, he'd suffer damage first. Any attack he absorbs needs to come within close proximity and his absorption isn't like preta's which creates a barrier; nothing stops the attack from continuing on and harming him.

As to your last paragraph. Itachi can't do anything. He can't keep up with Kisamehade + aoda in the waterdome on his own, nor will he sit in the waterdome and drown. Out of waterdome, it simply becomes a battle of attrition between sasuke and Itachi. It's about whose susano'o drops first, and we both know whose own that is - itachi. Sasuke can hold is susano'o up for prolonged periods. I love itachi and all, but let's be honest, not only can he do nothing against sasuke(while he's in susano'o) without using his MS, he can also only use about 3-4 MS moves before massive exhaution and strain. Sure, kisame can replenish his chakra, but he can't replenish the onset of blindness from eye strain. The longer the match lasts, the more MS moves itachi uses, and the less vision he has, soon itachi will be a non factor and kisame seriously has no chance against an EMS user - he already admitted inferiority to itachi who, by now, is inferior to sasuke, bar genjutsu.

Zexion~ · Aug 16, 2013

GSB + Totska :snick:

Lol Team 2 wins

Bogard · Aug 16, 2013

Actually Sasuke can win this. Samehada hates fire, so Amaterasu or enton(highest fire) would be a worse nightmare for Kisame. Actually he could be killed at the start or within the battle and EMS Sasuke is a superior version of Itachi with no drawbacks of MS at all

-immortal- · Aug 16, 2013

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sasuke wins high diff

Brooks · Aug 16, 2013

Well, this is a surprise....i never though that people would be saying current Sasuke can beat both Itachi and Kisame together...

AGoodBoy · Aug 16, 2013

FTG V2 said:
Well, this is a surprise....i never though that people would be saying current Sasuke can beat both Itachi and Kisame together...

Well people need to understand. EMS Sasuke > Itachi. Sure, Itachi could probably fight MS sasuke and win high diff with IC, but he has 0 chance against EMS sasuke.... This was confirmed when sasuke could:

1) Spam multiple MS moves together without restraint
2) USe amaterasu with 0 eye-bleed/straing
3) Use enton with any sort of attack and defence.

Prince Charles · Aug 16, 2013

Lmao what? Itachi can still potentially beat EMS sasuke. 1vs 1

AGoodBoy · Aug 16, 2013

Prince Charles said:
Lmao what? Itachi can still potentially beat EMS sasuke. 1vs 1

Please refrain from trolling.
Itachi has nothing to get past Susano'o without using MS. thats like 3 shots of MS moves before he's on his knees. The rest of his skills/advantages don't matter in the face of a susano'o coated in amaterasu Zzz

Guntah · Aug 17, 2013

AGoodBoy said:
Alright, I'll (hopefully) make this short.

First, let's take a look at what Kabuto said[top left panel]

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He made Manda Stronger, bigger and better at sensing to create manda 2.

I'd like you to notice that he never mentioned teaching manda 2 how to swim, nor did he say he increased it's swim speed/it's general speed. This comes in handy when we take into consideration[bottom left]:

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Manda 2 is a fast swimmer

Now, How is this relevant you may ask? Well, Manda 2 is simply a snake, and according NV (and some IRL instances TBH), snakes are able to traverse underwater. Therefore, Waterdome would in no way hinder sasuke as aoda can simply aid him in swimming away. Now, what makes this an even worse situation for Kisame is that he's up against an EMS user in here all alone - Itachi can't aid him because itachi can't breath under water - therefore kisame is at the mercy of massive Aoda, sasuke's Chidori lances, Susano'o swords, magatama's and arrows underneath the water. Infact, I can even upgrade all these to enton seeing as water doesn't put out enton, therefore, enton spam is completely viable here to roast kisamehade while he swims in pain. Kisamehade isn't fast enough to dodge an amaterasu, and, considering you completely removed itachi from this fight, he's at the mercy of amaterasu. Kisame is killed if he's ever foolish enough to use waterdome.

*Note, I know you'll say kisame absorbs these enton/susano'o attacks, but though this is true, he'd suffer damage first. Any attack he absorbs needs to come within close proximity and his absorption isn't like preta's which creates a barrier; nothing stops the attack from continuing on and harming him.

As to your last paragraph. Itachi can't do anything. He can't keep up with Kisamehade + aoda in the waterdome on his own, nor will he sit in the waterdome and drown. Out of waterdome, it simply becomes a battle of attrition between sasuke and Itachi. It's about whose susano'o drops first, and we both know whose own that is - itachi. Sasuke can hold is susano'o up for prolonged periods. I love itachi and all, but let's be honest, not only can he do nothing against sasuke(while he's in susano'o) without using his MS, he can also only use about 3-4 MS moves before massive exhaution and strain. Sure, kisame can replenish his chakra, but he can't replenish the onset of blindness from eye strain. The longer the match lasts, the more MS moves itachi uses, and the less vision he has, soon itachi will be a non factor and kisame seriously has no chance against an EMS user - he already admitted inferiority to itachi who, by now, is inferior to sasuke, bar genjutsu.

HOLY-

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Well, What if Kisame uses water sharks instead of going in the Waterdome himself? He was shown to have the capibility to produce multiple of those without much effort.

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As long as Kisame does not use the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique and remains a certain distance he is safe...While its true that snakes have shown the capibility of swimming, thay arent faster than sharks, basic logic right? I dont actually think they wil kill Aoda, maybe hurt it, maybe get Sasuke out of his pet snake's back or at the very least delay Sasuke and Aoda a bit, making summon time run out so they can get Sasuke alone. He wont be able to repel all the sharks, his only attack with capibility of killing off large numbers is the Susanoo Kagetsuchi and i dont think that is capable of getting ALL the sharks at once.

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Plus, we are fighting on an open field here, it wouldnt be that difficult for Itachi to interfere with multiple long ranged attacks from out of the dome. A bunch of Yasaka Magatama is a good example. While Itachi may slowly lose his vision from doing so, a fast use of Susanoo wont do him much, just like it happened in the his, Bs and Narutos fight against Nagato.

Prince Charles · Aug 17, 2013

AGoodBoy said:
Please refrain from trolling.
Itachi has nothing to get past Susano'o without using MS. thats like 3 shots of MS moves before he's on his knees. The rest of his skills/advantages don't matter in the face of a susano'o coated in amaterasu Zzz

Obviously you lack the brains cells to comprehend his stamina and chakra reserves. Clown U_U

Forbidden Technique · Aug 17, 2013

FTG V2 said:
Well, this is a surprise....i never though that people would be saying current Sasuke can beat both Itachi and Kisame together...

Right... Me neither. EMS Sasuke alone has no way of defeating Itachi other then outlasting him; adding Kisame to the mix almost guarentees victory. Aoda gets Amaterasu'd and GSB>Susano'o.

AGoodBoy · Aug 17, 2013

Guntherockproject said:
HOLY-

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Well, What if Kisame uses water sharks instead of going in the Waterdome himself? He was shown to have the capibility to produce multiple of those without much effort.

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As long as Kisame does not use the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique and remains a certain distance he is safe...While its true that snakes have shown the capibility of swimming, thay arent faster than sharks, basic logic right? I dont actually think they wil kill Aoda, maybe hurt it, maybe get Sasuke out of his pet snake's back or at the very least delay Sasuke and Aoda a bit, making summon time run out so they can get Sasuke alone. He wont be able to repel all the sharks, his only attack with capibility of killing off large numbers is the Susanoo Kagetsuchi and i dont think that is capable of getting ALL the sharks at once.

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Plus, we are fighting on an open field here, it wouldnt be that difficult for Itachi to interfere with multiple long ranged attacks from out of the dome. A bunch of Yasaka Magatama is a good example. While Itachi may slowly lose his vision from doing so, a fast use of Susanoo wont do him much, just like it happened in the his, Bs and Narutos fight against Nagato.

Yea, sorry, I write alot :/

Not only did Guy killed all those sharks with (i believe) morning pea ****, showing just how low their resilience is but, Aoda + A susano'o sword is all it takes to just wipe them all out. For that matter Sasuke can just sit and laugh because, since they don't absorb chakra, they're not even making it past susano'o...

I'm not sure which sharks you're referring to in this second passage. If you mean the;
<Kuchiyouse> sharks, then there's a very limited number of those ( i think we've seen 5 max ), and they're the size of a human. By simply electrifying the water (something Sasuke has tanked since he's lightning nature) all those kuchiyose sharks would more than likely poof away from the damage. That, or sasuke and aoda could attack them until they're defeated - Manda was canonically strong enough to stomp Katsuya and Gamabunta, so i don't really see what a few small sharks are doing. Otherwise, if you meant the;
<Water manipulated sharks> Those aren't that durable. Morning peacock and (i think) Opening gates was enough to destroy them. Not much effort is needed to take them out, so there's no real threat in them up against a summoning the size of/bigger than GSB Zzz

Fine, itachi out of Dome doing blah blah. You mention yasaka again but, sasuke can also use it. Infact, Yasaka would more than likely not do much more than crack a rib on susano'o if that. It's not much of a threat to sasuke. Let's not forget that sasuke also has a plethora of mid/long ranged techniques for this fight - Susano'o/enton Arrow, Susano'o/enton magatama, Chidori spear, amaterasu, katon, etc...

Prince Charles said:
Obviously you lack the brains cells to comprehend his stamina and chakra reserves. Clown U_U

Whose stamina or chakra reserves? Itachi's? :erm:
Are you trying to imply that Itachi will have an MS battle with sasuke? After 1 tsukuyomi(breakable), 2 amaterasu(useless), and a prolonged susano'o, vision was a luxury he barely had anymore. Stamina and chakra don't even really matter when you're blind :eww:

Forbidden Technique said:
Right... Me neither. EMS Sasuke alone has no way of defeating Itachi other then outlasting him; adding Kisame to the mix almost guarentees victory. Aoda gets Amaterasu'd and GSB>Susano'o.

Itachi > Kisame
Sasuke > kisame
Sasuke > Itachi

Itachi can't really put down sasuke either, not even by outlasting him. The only thing itachi will do in this fight is go blind while kisame tries to stay alive. Kisame isn't that fast to dodge an Enton Arrow at close proximity pointed at his chest Zzz

Inb4 Totsuka seal, even though it says "Seals what it pierces", not "Pierces anything and seals" Zzz

deidara senpai · Aug 17, 2013

Soon EMS sasuke will win soon cause I promise their is more to it but atm he can't beat itachi and kisame together yet

Prince Charles said:
Lmao what? Itachi can still potentially beat EMS sasuke. 1vs 1

Idk that's questionable Charles xd (ill admit they are pretty even)

Guntah · Aug 17, 2013

AGoodBoy said:
Yea, sorry, I write alot :/

Not only did Guy killed all those sharks with (i believe) morning pea ****, showing just how low their resilience is but, Aoda + A susano'o sword is all it takes to just wipe them all out. For that matter Sasuke can just sit and laugh because, since they don't absorb chakra, they're not even making it past susano'o...

I'm not sure which sharks you're referring to in this second passage. If you mean the;
<Kuchiyouse> sharks, then there's a very limited number of those ( i think we've seen 5 max ), and they're the size of a human. By simply electrifying the water (something Sasuke has tanked since he's lightning nature) all those kuchiyose sharks would more than likely poof away from the damage. That, or sasuke and aoda could attack them until they're defeated - Manda was canonically strong enough to stomp Katsuya and Gamabunta, so i don't really see what a few small sharks are doing. Otherwise, if you meant the;

<Water manipulated sharks> Those aren't that durable. Morning peacock and (i think) Opening gates was enough to destroy them. Not much effort is needed to take them out, so there's no real threat in them up against a summoning the size of/bigger than GSB Zzz

Fine, itachi out of Dome doing blah blah. You mention yasaka again but, sasuke can also use it. Infact, Yasaka would more than likely not do much more than crack a rib on susano'o if that. It's not much of a threat to sasuke. Let's not forget that sasuke also has a plethora of mid/long ranged techniques for this fight - Susano'o/enton Arrow, Susano'o/enton magatama, Chidori spear, amaterasu, katon, etc...

LOL at the peacock Censor! *Clears throat* Now for serious buisness.

Damnit...Sasuke can use his susanoo on top of Aoda, right? Keep forgeting that...And he can tank the lightning attack...But what if Kisame and Itachi brang the fight to the river, not on the mountains?

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There Kisame would have an Advantage with Water all around him, he may use his Water Release: Exploding Water Colliding Wave to reach Sasuke, who would be on top of Aoda.

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Itachi would prevent Kisame from getting burn with Amaterasu or Enton and Kisame could get a chance to hit Sasuke, Susanoo wouldnt work much in the situation, since Samehada absorbs Chakra, which Susanoo is made from, if he actually mannaged to get a hit he may throw Sasuke off the Snakes head, Itachi and Kisame would have a chance to atack Sasuke with no summon guarding him before Sasuke manages to reach Aoda again.

AGoodBoy · Aug 17, 2013

Guntherockproject said:
LOL at the peacock Censor! *Clears throat* Now for serious buisness.

Damnit...Sasuke can use his susanoo on top of Aoda, right? Keep forgeting that...And he can tank the lightning attack...But what if Kisame and Itachi brang the fight to the river, not on the mountains?

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There Kisame would have an Advantage with Water all around him, he may use his Water Release: Exploding Water Colliding Wave to reach Sasuke, who would be on top of Aoda.

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Itachi would prevent Kisame from getting burn with Amaterasu or Enton and Kisame could get a chance to hit Sasuke, Susanoo wouldnt work much in the situation, since Samehada absorbs Chakra, which Susanoo is made from, if he actually mannaged to get a hit he may throw Sasuke off the Snakes head, Itachi and Kisame would have a chance to atack Sasuke with no summon guarding him before Sasuke manages to reach Aoda again.

Alright, let me end this battle. I know i said I'd allow both of them to out each other's amaterasu for this fight, but I'll start to hit you hard. Unlike Sasuke with his Eternal Light, itachi suffers strain from the use his MS. Coincidentally, Putting out amaterasu not only requires the MS, but it causes Eye strain.[