Chiyo vs Zabuza
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Black Wolf
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If she sprays it out the back of her puppet, the mist will no longer be covering the immediate battle area and instead will be covering an area behind her, thus revealing Zabuza. Hell, she can also move the puppet even farther back using her chakra strings to ensure the mist won't be anywhere near her. Furthermore, nothing dictates the mist will be as condensed as it initially was, either.
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If you read the jutsu description, it only covers short-mid range. Zabuza's mist covers very long ranges, Chiyo may uncover the mist up close to her, but zabuza will still be hidden from afar and the mist will fill back in slowly again
Black Wolf
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The suction range is probably short to mid range, but we've seen that Chiyo can control her puppets from afar. Nothing really indicates she can't just send them away from her to release the mist.
illidanson
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Chiyo is most likely the stronger shinobi overall, but I will admit Zabuza atleast has a fair chance of winning this cause of his Hidden Mist jutsu. Could still go both ways though...
Black Wolf
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Sure it will shoot back out, but as I've said, she can have the puppets shoot it back out at a vicinity that is not within the area they are fighting. Her string range has been shown to be impressive, thus the puppets can be a decent range away from her when releasing the mist residue. Furthermore, it may not be as condensed as it originally was after being tampered with by the suction and also may not be as "spread out".
Why should I "admit" that Zabuza can beat Chiyo when I don't believe he can? Does it offend you that I, and many others here, have a conflicting opinion?
Why should I "admit" that Zabuza can beat Chiyo when I don't believe he can? Does it offend you that I, and many others here, have a conflicting opinion?
EliteKakashi
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Chiyo from the other.
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She can defend and attack at the same time using this method. As soon as Zabuza attacks, he would get taken out by the mother puppet(or whatever other puppet she so chooses).
Her jutsu only covers short to mid range, it wont suck up all the mist from afar which will fill back in again. Even when the mist wasn't as condensed as shown when Zabuza used it the first time against Kakashi, he was still capable of hiding himself. Even when the mist wasn't up yet when he first activated the jutsu, he disappeared 5 feet from Kakashi
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So even if she clears the mist, Zabuza can simply still just disappear again and while hiding, the mist that he already created will fill in againEdit: Also, Chiyo wouldn't even pull out her 10 puppets from the start, it's way out of her character. She didn't even pull them out til the end of her fight with Sasori, who is much stronger than Zabuza. So you're argument is invalid.
Ehhh nah, Zabuza high diff
The shields can only be used once, Zabuza sends in Water Clones first, the shields will be used against the clones so there goes her defense. Once the clones use up her shields, she's open for an attack, and that's it.
Nice argument tho
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EliteKakashi
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There's nothing that says they can only be used once, to my knowledge. As far as I'm concerned, it can be used until the person using it runs out of chakra, considering it's their chakra shielding them.
Zabuza won't be able to see her shields. The mist blinds him too.
This is assuming Zabuza starts out with a bunshin. Chiyo, as far as he is concerned, has no ability to counter his silent killing/mist combo. Kakashi had the sharingan which gave him better reflexes/the ability to react to an attack in the mist, thus Zabuza had to be careful. He has no reason to be as careful against some old lady, who as far as he would be concerned, could have difficulty moving.
Black Wolf
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The mist is not infinite. It is generated by Zabuza's chakra, thus there is a limited amount of it. It will not immediately "fill back again," and if it does, it will be spread thin and nowhere near thick enough to conceal a person.
If she clears out the mist to a location that is not immediately within their battle's proximity, it will not be to Zabuza's advantage. He will "disappear himself" into mist that Chiyo is no longer surrounded by.
She had Sakura for backup / as a human puppet to control. Here, she is on her own.
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~Puppet Master~
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There's nothing that says the shields can only be used once, since it was the Iron Sand that disabled the puppets, she can use them infinitely, and why are there two threads? >_>
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Stupid argument, really stupid, Zabuza is an expert on atacking on blind-spots...
Even with sakura, naruto and sasuke surrounding Tazuna, they (wwho are humans and are able to see) didn't sense him and he was able to almost kill them if it wasn't for kakashi...
Puppets CANT SEE, they wouldnn't see Zabuza, and either way zabuza can destroy the puppets with the sword.. And then dodge the other puppet, his speed is on par with part1 kakashi
Also you forgot about clone feints , what if he aproaches with a clone? Chiyo atacks the clone (even she can't, because she doesn't know where he is) and bawn Zabuza decapitates her.
All who are voting chiyo are giving the worst arguments i've ever seen... And you're a pretty logical debater @elitekakashi
Even the 10 puppets can't protect chiyo...
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no matter how many puppets there are, they can't cover all of chiyo's blindspots...
Kakashi only reacted to that because of sharingan and because sakura screamed
// Tread Zabuza rofl stomps come at me
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This argument was pathetic and complete speculation.
The mechanical shield thing is a trap, she infuses a certain amount of chakra into her puppets and once they activate, that's it. As far as we know, she can't use it more than once because like other traps of a puppet, they can only be used once then she has to redo them later
But it doesn't even matter, Chiyo will not have the time to react because she can't sense Zabuza. She won't be able to activate her shield in time. She isn't as fast and has a Sharingan like Kakashi, she won't be able to keep up.
So you're telling me that Chiyo is just some old lady and Zabuza has no reason to start out with a bunshin? That's just pathetic. Chiyo is famous for being a master puppeteer and a medical ninja. Since she's famous, Zabuza will know of her remarkable abilities which will give him a reason to be careful and use a Water Clone.
Once he disappears himself, Chiyo won't know where he is, so he could spring forth more mist and strike Chiyo down before she activates her puppet jutsu again, if she even can
Even when she stopped controlling Sakura, she didn't pull the puppets out. She waited til the last minute and even stated she didn't want to resort to using them.
She can't use them infinitely, they take a good amount of chakra and she only has a 2/5 for chakra according to the data books, which is even lower than Itachi's. If she even can set a trap for them again, I doubt she'd even have the chakra to do so
I'm not surprised no one countered your post. It's probably because they can't counter it because there's no way Chiyo wins thisStupid argument, really stupid, Zabuza is an expert on atacking on blind-spots...
Even with sakura, naruto and sasuke surrounding Tazuna, they (wwho are humans and are able to see) didn't sense him and he was able to almost kill them if it wasn't for kakashi...
Puppets CANT SEE, they wouldnn't see Zabuza, and either way zabuza can destroy the puppets with the sword.. And then dodge the other puppet, his speed is on par with part1 kakashi
Also you forgot about clone feints , what if he aproaches with a clone? Chiyo atacks the clone (even she can't, because she doesn't know where he is) and bawn Zabuza decapitates her.
All who are voting chiyo are giving the worst arguments i've ever seen... And you're a pretty logical debater @elitekakashi
Even the 10 puppets can't protect chiyo...
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no matter how many puppets there are, they can't cover all of chiyo's blindspots...
Kakashi only reacted to that because of sharingan and because sakura screamed
// Tread Zabuza rofl stomps come at me
NewKageism
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No one counter it because two reasons.
It some weak stuff that he used on gennin in their first real mission
2. It is two threads. People already know Chiyo wins
It some weak stuff that he used on gennin in their first real mission
2. It is two threads. People already know Chiyo wins
NewKageism
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Counter for what him sneaking up on three gennin in a bridge builder. Get out of here. We talking about logic but this of a logic of a desperate person. Ask yourself when was the last time you seen Mojee formation and Kakashi talking about team work out of practice. Sorry look at your manga and anime again these guys were fresh out practice on of their first real mission have you not forgot. 0449 we have not heard that since . Now look at 1111 his hand sign still on. This is enough time for Chiyo to block because unlike Gennin she is more experience
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Not even with 10 puppets chiyo can protect all her blindspots...
Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke who are PEOPLE with eyes didn't sense Zabuza doing that..
A puppet wich can't see isn't going to stop zabuza's stealth atack... Also that was a clone, so chiyo is not safe from clone feints either
Zabuza rapes, Chiyo arguments are too weak to give her a victory